| I don't remember seeing a place for discussing visual novels, so might as well make one here considering many anime adaptations exist, even though most of them can't hold a candle to the source material. For example, both Higurashi no Naku Koro ni and Umineko no Naku Koro ni anime series don't do their origins justice, even though the first one is quite successful worldwide. So, what is your experience with visual novels? I think even those outside of this hobby might be familiar with titles such as Danganronpa, AI: The Somnium Files and Zero Escape. And hey, if it wasn't for Fate/stay night VN we might've never got Fate/Zero, FGO, and many other entries of this franchise. In my opinion, VNs tend to have a much better and in-depth writing than their anime/manga counterparts and their niche, semi-underground status, lets them explore themes which would be unthinkable in more mainstream hobbies where artistic expression is restricted. From a technical standpoint, the best thing about visual novels is that they can offer the same scale of worldbuilding, narration and dialogue as any normal book, but they also provide the reader with vivid illustrations, amazing soundtrack and sweet character voices to enhance the experience, sometimes even gameplay exists on top of that. One might even say it's the ultimate form of this type of entertainment. On average, I tend to have a deeper emotional connection to the visual novels and its characters compared to anime. VNs like Full Metal Daemon: Muramasa, Muv-Luv and Utawarerumono is truly an unforgettable experience. Playing the Rance series is like riding a roller coaster — every game is different from each other and you're met with undiluted comedy and a sense of adventure like nowhere else. There are many things in VNs one might consider messed up, but that's exactly what makes them interesting — when you start reading you never know what you're going to experience because there is no artificial limit to the imagination of the authors. Sometimes it leads to interesting discoveries. For example, one of the things I learned from Tokyo Necro, which has one of the most dystopian settings I've seen, is that even in absolutely terrible world, people still manage to connect with each other and find joy in life. To those who are unfamiliar with the VNs, I'd recommend trying out Saya no Uta or G-senjou no Maou. They are on the shorter side, but show what visual novels are really about. |
| My favorite visual novel is Sakusei Byouto. |
| Don't forget all the titles on pc-88/98. There's one in particular I've been meaning to experience for a while now: YU-NO. The music for it is phenomenal: https://youtube.com/watch?v=Td0uePxV-WQ |
| Played all Steins;Gate VNs and they're honestly really good. Also Umineko, which is such a great story. Recommending Umineko is really hard because the player really can't truly interact with the flow of the narrative like other VNs and how slowly it evolves, but I do think it's still worth playing for the seer quality of the story. Also in the middle of the Clannad playthrough. Really cool. Been thinking on playing Higurashi also. Only VN into anime that I remember being good was S;G (+ liked Higu way back when I watched it), and I may have to watch Clannad after finishing the VN. |
| Haven't played many visual novels. If it counts, I played through the first two Danganronpa games... but then I grew older and realized how cringe it was. I've got a few Key vns on my Switch: Clannad, Tomoyo After, and Planetarian. Tomoyo After is such a good spinoff, I really recommend it to anyone who liked Clannad (I have it as my profile theme on Anilist). Shame it never got an anime adaptation. |
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| I like visual novels, my favorite is Umineko. |
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Shizuna said: To those who are unfamiliar with the VNs, I'd recommend trying out Saya no Uta or G-senjou no Maou. They are on the shorter side, but show what visual novels are really about. I'd have refused to ever touch another visual novel if I'd started with Saya. I doubt I'd enjoy that other one you recommend. |
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Played all Steins;Gate VNs and they're honestly really good. Also Umineko, which is such a great story.
Recommending Umineko is really hard because the player really can't truly interact with the flow of the narrative like other VNs and how slowly it evolves, but I do think it's still worth playing for the seer quality of the story. Also in the middle of the Clannad playthrough. Really cool.
Been thinking on playing Higurashi also.
Only VN into anime that I remember being good was S;G (+ liked Higu way back when I watched it), and I may have to watch Clannad after finishing the VN.
Recommending Umineko is really hard because the player really can't truly interact with the flow of the narrative like other VNs and how slowly it evolves, but I do think it's still worth playing for the seer quality of the story. Also in the middle of the Clannad playthrough. Really cool.
Been thinking on playing Higurashi also.
Only VN into anime that I remember being good was S;G (+ liked Higu way back when I watched it), and I may have to watch Clannad after finishing the VN.
TeBaTe said: Recommending Umineko is really hard because the player really can't truly interact with the flow of the narrative You mean it's like a book. Do you never recommend books? |
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Shizuna said:
To those who are unfamiliar with the VNs, I'd recommend trying out Saya no Uta or G-senjou no Maou. They are on the shorter side, but show what visual novels are really about.
To those who are unfamiliar with the VNs, I'd recommend trying out Saya no Uta or G-senjou no Maou. They are on the shorter side, but show what visual novels are really about.
I'd have refused to ever touch another visual novel if I'd started with Saya. I doubt I'd enjoy that other one you recommend.
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I like visual novels, my favorite is Umineko.
| @Memore Random question: what's your opinion on Rosa? |
| @TeBaTe I've been planning to read Steins;Gate for a long time, but the fact that I've already watched its adaptation partially ruins my motivation to do so. @tchitchouan Haven't read this one yet. |
| Does 999 nine hours doors persons count? |
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Does 999 nine hours doors persons count?
| @JoeChip Yes. The only Zero Escape game not considered a VN is Zero Time Dilemma. |
| have played very few Vn. I really love the Utawarerumono series, especially Utawarerumono Mask of Truth, peak story and character, and i have shed so much tear. |
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have played very few Vn. I really love the Utawarerumono series, especially Utawarerumono Mask of Truth, peak story and character, and i have shed so much tear.
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| I'd recommend "Katawa Shoujo" to newbies instead, it's the classic among classics. |
| I don't know much about visual novels, but I really want more involved gameplay if a medium requires my input. I have played the Zero Escape games years ago, and I liked them. I do remember appreciating how insanely complex the story was allowed to become, and how immersed I was, as I spent way more time in the game than I would watching any anime (I binged all the games in a short span of time, for some reason). But in the end, I don't remember much about them, and I am still not a fan of the format. I am more open to JRPGs and story-driven action games. Loved Persona 5, great mix of story and gameplay, in my opinion. |
| I've only played 3 to completion. Clannad, Little Busters and Steins Gate. Each of them provide a little bit extra compared to their anime counterpart. I'd say the Clannad VN is rendered basically obsolete, as there's not a lot the anime didnt cover. Although it does better explain the "multiple worlds" thing which seems to confuse a lot of anime-onlys. Steins Gate VN gives a lot more insight into the inner workings of Okabe's mind as it goes into extremely dark places. The Little Busters VN is better than the anime but only because the anime was a little bit rushed. All these "games" or whatever you want to call them have sections when it just goes way too slow and it can get incredibly tedious. |
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| The only VN's I have gotten the chance to play through at the moment are the Ace Attorney series and Persona 3 Portable, although both of these are a bit questionable how much they count since they have a lot of gameplay elements outside of the traditional Visual Novel parts of the game |
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| My experience is very limited. I only went through all routes on Saya no Uta. Left me with paranoia about my own senses for a week. I tried Tsukihime but it just felt boring to the point i got up to and didnt help the art isnt very good. I was playing Katawa Shoujo and wound up on the Emi route which is fun but my laptop ran into issues so i didnt complete even that much I think. LSSJ_Gaming said: The only VN's I have gotten the chance to play through at the moment are the Ace Attorney series and Persona 3 Portable, although both of these are a bit questionable how much they count since they have a lot of gameplay elements outside of the traditional Visual Novel parts of the game Ace Attorney is on VNDB but Persona 3 Portable isnt, yet several Persona 4 is oddly. So i guess if Ace Attorney counts I had touched on that too but didnt play all through it because i was using an emulator on my laptop. |
| @traed It was a long time ago, but if I remember correctly I dropped Ace Attorney because in English version everything there was changed, from names of the characters to locations mentioned. Is that right? |
| Never been a fan of just story only VNs. Unless the game has some sort of actual gameplay (RPG/SRPG/SLG), I usually don't bother. I have tried several before. Eiyuu Senki and Dohna Dohna are always my two picks. Not so much for their plot but visually/stylistically while having relatively good game play that isn't stupidly convoluted like a lot of these games try to be. Tried several Eushully games like Kamidori, Kami no Rhapsody and Himegari but I think some were never fully translated back when I tried them and because of how long they are, didn't finish many of them if any. Several of the older Venus Blood games but never really liked the battle system and older VN artwork. Tried a few of the newer Rance games. They were okay. All those above are eroges though so yea. Heads up if you're googling. For console stuff, your typical JRPG or anime games that fall into VN category, your typical popular stuff like Danganronpa. |
| @Paul Dohna Dohna had some really nice battle sprites and event CG. Also, where else do you get to see a story through the eyes of a pimp? Did you have a favorite girl here? |
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@Paul Dohna Dohna had some really nice battle sprites and event CG. Also, where else do you get to see a story through the eyes of a pimp?
Did you have a favorite girl here?
Did you have a favorite girl here?
| @Shizuna Not sure who were the most popular units, I'm assuming Porno for obvious reasons (yes one of the girls is called Porno for anyone reading this/lurking) but I liked Kikuchiyo. Long hair hime cut katana wielding tsundere girl. |
@Paul  I liked Kikuchiyo the most too. |
| Hey, good guess, I did start with Both Zero Escape and Danganronpa, lol. Though, I didn't really play them because they were VN's but more because I was into mystery/puzzle solving games at the time. But since then, I have played a plethora of more traditional VN's, and there are a couple of things I love about them. First, when it comes to romances/romcoms, you never have to be disappointed that your "best girl" gets sidelined, because most likely, she also has a possible route in game that you can explore. And in really good VN's, even if there is a "center girl" the other romance options will still have really compelling and believable routes on their own. I've even encountered cases where the "side" characters are actually more interesting/believable then the main girl(s). One of my favorite's was "Love, Elections, & Chocolate" This one has your typical main girl who is protag-kun's childhood friend, and clearly has a crush on him, and of course he is completely aloof. But what I really love about this one, is that unlike a lot of stories with childhood friend trope, where if you choose to pick another girl, the friend will either conveniently not have a crush on the protag in that route, or they will simply go "welp, wasn't meant to be, good luck to you guys" and be fully supportive. But in this one, it becomes a source of conflict in the other routes. Another reason I love VN's so much, is that they are willing to tell stories without shying away from things like sex. Yes, a lot of it is sex for sex's sake, and is either there just for titillation, or fanservice. But there are a lot that include that topic in a fairly realistic or meaningful way. The story itself in not about sex, but when the sex does happen, it's actually meaningful to the plot or the characters. One of my favorite games, The Fruit of Grisaia, which is both top tier comedy, and over the top trauma packed into one. But it also has sex scenes that I feel serve to inform the characters. Now it's hard to write sex scenes that don't also serve to titillate, and you could argue that once the emotional beats are done, you can just skip to the end of the sex without showing all the humping and grunting, but hey, it is what it is. I still feel that most of the scenes themselves are actually important (even if a few could have been left out). Especially when it comes to the protagonist, and when you learn about his past, and his childhood Really informs his character in the present, and even ads another layer to some of the romantic interests/sexual relationships he has throughout the game. While that example, sex is not the focus (in the first game you have to get through like 50 hours of content before you even get to a sex scene) there are even a couple of games where sex is had throughout, and the whole point of the stories is about sex. A story like Fraternite which deals with a rape victim, who gets involved in a sex cult in an attempt to "reclaim her own body" or something like DeadEndAegis which is basically a magical girl story, where the girls are sent to fight aliens, and it's such an honor and a prestigious role, but then she finds out that, and while she does fight aliens, she also finds out that the whole space station is basically a giant prostitution ring for rich and influential backers of the station. Both stories heavily feature sex, but they also feature a compelling story where the protagonist fighting against what is going on (the brother trying to rescue his sister in the first one, and the female protag trying to put an end to what is going on in the second one while trying to maintain her own sanity) They are literally about trying to save people from sex, so the sex is actually vital to the stories. Warning for anyone who is interested in either of those games and then of course, I'm not afraid to admit, that I also read some eroge for the sake of fapping too, lol. I like my porn to have some semblance of plot, even if it makes no sense, so eroge are great for that. Just fine one with a theme you like, and waste the night away. |
Paul said: Eiyuu Senki and Dohna Dohna are always my two picks. Not so much for their plot but visually/stylistically while having relatively good game play that isn't stupidly convoluted like a lot of these games try to be. I really loved the art style of Eiyuu Senki, to the point that I went and played all of the artists other games. One of my favorites being Girlish Grimoire Littlewitch Romanesque, it is mostly VN, but has some minor gameplay elements that I found quite enjoyable. But it was honestly just a cute story about a mage training two apprentices. And Dohna Dohna is one of my favorite recent games. It was such a treat to have an eroge that had such fun gameplay, with an amazing art style, and even an fun story. it just really felt like it had a lot of love put into it with the sprites and animations. Both the combat, and even the side prostitution hunting was a lot of fun. It was a blast to play. Id honestly have a hard time picking a favorite character. Porno definitely gets an edge, just because of the name, and the way she teases the protag though. But I really loved Antenna, Joker, Kikuchio and Zappa as well. |
| "General thread"? I thought I was in 4chan for a second |
| Read light novels! 2023 Update: Do NOT read light novels. Regular novels are better. Glory to Haruki Murakami!!! |
| As an introduction, I'd say that I loved Saya no Uta, but it traumatized me for life lol I still remember that even a year later I couldn't bring myself to listen to its soundtrack, because memories would come flooding back and scaring me too much. Still not sure if it's a good thing and means that it accomplished its purpose, or if it's something that I should count as a negative part of the experience :p things belonging to a horror genre are weird. Sometimes I don't even know how to feel about them or rate them. Anyway, my first encounter with VNs happened more than a decade ago, and I didn't even know what a VN was back then :p I just remember randomly downloading two VNs out of curiosity: Xchange and Rinkaiten ~Critical Point~ (took me a lot of years to find out what these were called!). I really didn't expect to see any sex scenes lol but those relatively modest VNs still kind of left an impression on me for being what they are. Such an unusual interface for a game and what you could call "gameplay" + dicks and boobs everywhere...scandalous! Which is pretty much equal to "interesting" lol actually, playing them properly so many years later was quite fun. They were quite a bit silly (especially Xchange) and simplistic, but still entertaining enough and the sex scenes were "educational" for me, at the very least lol And then maaaany maany years later I played Enzai, a messed up BL VN that I enjoyed quite a bit, despite its old-ish and not particularly hot art style. That's how it all truly started :) even from something like Enzai I could already see how much unhindered potential there was in VNs and that I want more. Then some months later I had a life-changing encounter with Dramatical Murder BL VN, which seemed to have come into my life at just the right moment and turned my entire existence upside down for many months, becoming one my most favorite pieces of media of all time and most favorite "game" alongside KotOR 2 (I do consider VNs to be games, but sometimes separating them makes VNs look more special :p). Eventually, I branched out to non-BL eroge VNs like Saya no Uta, "general" non-eroge VNs like Zero Escape, Ace Attorney, Danganronpa etc. and non-Japanese kickstarter BL VNs like Camp Buddy or Full Service etc. While my main focus will always be BL VNs, I plan on trying out a lot of other things as well. I'm very interested in Higurashi, Umineko, Fate-related and Steins;Gate-related things (I want to play the Steins;Gate VN first, even though I know that its anime is a good adaptation, but horrible BL VN adaptations made me paranoid for life!). And a lot of other things on this list at least piqued my curiosity at one point. I also want to play more non-BL eroge games and see what kind of crazy sex scenes they come up with compared to what I see in BL lol but also want to experience wonderful stories hidden in some of those non-BL eroge VNs, because I know they are there! I may not grind VNs day and night, but I still prefer to think of them as my favorite medium overall :) there is just something very special about the experiences I have with most VNs, sometimes even the ones that I don't fully enjoy. You could say that I often treat them as an expensive wine: consume in small doses and get an exquisite experience in return. But maybe I'm also "simping for VNs" too much lol stuff like Ace Attorney, Danganronpa (mainly V3), Zero Escape, some of the BL VNs etc. were a mixed bag for me and a lot of the things about them left me with an unpleasant aftertaste and dissatisfaction. So, of course it depends on the particular thing - just like with every other medium, unsurprisingly, but that "special something" when it comes to VNs is still there. Shizuna said: There are many things in VNs one might consider messed up, but that's exactly what makes them interesting — when you start reading you never know what you're going to experience because there is no artificial limit to the imagination of the authors. Sometimes it leads to interesting discoveries. Very true :) the messed up factor of some of the VNs that I've played, especially the entire Nitro+Chiral BL VNs library, but also Saya no Uta, Enzai and some others is what makes them special to me. Simple "messed up" often quickly turns into "authentic and raw", which ends up having an incredible impact. In any case, I prefer to think that VNs take the best of both worlds, anime and manga, and create something special out of it, mixed with some gameplay here and there. |
-YaoiBoy- said: And then maaaany maany years later I played Enzai, a messed up BL VN that I enjoyed quite a bit This was actually one of my earliest eroge, and BL vn's that I played. At the time, it was also one of the few that were actually in english, options were very limited back then, so you kind of had to take what you could get, but overall still a very enjoyable experience, if a little messed up. -YaoiBoy- said: and non-Japanese kickstarter BL VNs like Camp Buddy or Full Service etc. I remember supporting the creator of Camp Buddy for a long time before the VN finally came out. I was part of his discord before I finally got kicked out for simply implying that the characters in the game, while "technically" 18, are all written closer to high schoolers, both in their behavior, and in how others treated them (The camp was definitely not run like an adult camp, but like a camp for teens) and even pointing out that the artists/creators earlier work was literally about a bunch of highschoolers on a baseball team, and the creator literally called them shota's. yeah, they didn't like that. So long as the disclaimer said they were all 18, then they could happily burry their heads in the sand and pretend that there was nothing weird in liking a game about a bunch of young boys at a camp having sex with each other. |
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I've only played 3 to completion. Clannad, Little Busters and Steins Gate. Each of them provide a little bit extra compared to their anime counterpart. I'd say the Clannad VN is rendered basically obsolete, as there's not a lot the anime didnt cover. Although it does better explain the "multiple worlds" thing which seems to confuse a lot of anime-onlys. Steins Gate VN gives a lot more insight into the inner workings of Okabe's mind as it goes into extremely dark places. The Little Busters VN is better than the anime but only because the anime was a little bit rushed.
All these "games" or whatever you want to call them have sections when it just goes way too slow and it can get incredibly tedious.
All these "games" or whatever you want to call them have sections when it just goes way too slow and it can get incredibly tedious.
epidemia78 said: All these "games" or whatever you want to call them have sections when it just goes way too slow and it can get incredibly tedious. That bothers me too, but a lot of it can be avoided by simply choosing shorter games. Unfotunately, many of the most hyped games happen to be the longest. VNDB lists Steins;Gate as the shortest of the games you played at almost 44 hours. |
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Jackson1333 said: This was actually one of my earliest eroge, and BL vn's that I played. At the time, it was also one of the few that were actually in english, options were very limited back then, so you kind of had to take what you could get, but overall still a very enjoyable experience, if a little messed up. Yeah :) all the pain and horror were worth it just to get a good ending :p I think the first ending I got was a failed prison escape bad ending and it broke my heart, which made the feeling of getting a good ending eventually incredibly rewarding and satisfying in comparison :) Enzai was also one of the first instances of me being unsure whether I'm supposed to be aroused, horrified or disgusted lol I think another VN I got introduced to shortly after Enzai was Coming Out on Top, but I can't say I have any strong impressions when it comes to it. Jackson1333 said: I remember supporting the creator of Camp Buddy for a long time before the VN finally came out. I was part of his discord before I finally got kicked out for simply implying that the characters in the game, while "technically" 18, are all written closer to high schoolers, both in their behavior, and in how others treated them (The camp was definitely not run like an adult camp, but like a camp for teens) and even pointing out that the artists/creators earlier work was literally about a bunch of highschoolers on a baseball team, and the creator literally called them shota's. yeah, they didn't like that. So long as the disclaimer said they were all 18, then they could happily burry their heads in the sand and pretend that there was nothing weird in liking a game about a bunch of young boys at a camp having sex with each other. Oh wow, that's cool! The fact that you were there as a supporter :) I really liked Mikkoukun's art and even a simple VN like Bacchikoi! totally won my heart, and Camp Buddy demo totally won me over as well, promising a great experience in the future. Unless I completely lost my mind, I distinctly remember that the characters actually were stated as younger initially, but I have no evidence :) and people who I saw claiming that were accused of lying and making things up. It's a bit tricky. The thing is, when BLits Games just made their website, I distinctly remember looking through profiles and seeing the characters' ages being from 14 to 16 (with someone like Hunter being 14, obviously), but then the patch 1.2, I think, came out and all of their in-game profiles had increased ages. Have I completely lost my mind? lol Did I actually saw anything on their website when it just appeared? I mean, they're obviously of a younger age in reality because even the game itself has mentions of school and something about parent's permission in Hunter's route that would make no sense with an increased age, and what 19+ person goes to school anyway? To avoid getting stuck in some potential shotacon controversy, they just increased their ages, so that's obvious. But what I'm confused about is whether what I remember about their website actually happened. Do you remember anything like that from your time on Discord? Did you leave before all of that bullshit with increased ages or after? That aside, yeah, people are deluding themselves :) and I'm sorry that they kicked you out for stating something so obvious. |
-YaoiBoy- said: Unless I completely lost my mind, I distinctly remember that the characters actually were stated as younger initially, but I have no evidence :) and people who I saw claiming that were accused of lying and making things up. It's a bit tricky. The thing is, when BLits Games just made their website, I distinctly remember looking through profiles and seeing the characters' ages being from 14 to 16 (with someone like Hunter being 14, obviously), but then the patch 1.2, I think, came out and all of their in-game profiles had increased ages. Have I completely lost my mind? lol Did I actually saw anything on their website when it just appeared? I mean, they're obviously of a younger age in reality because even the game itself has mentions of school and something about parent's permission in Hunter's route that would make no sense with an increased age, and what 19+ person goes to school anyway? To avoid getting stuck in some potential shotacon controversy, they just increased their ages, so that's obvious. But what I'm confused about is whether what I remember about their website actually happened. Do you remember anything like that from your time on Discord? Did you leave before all of that bullshit with increased ages or after? I honestly can't speak to the website stating their ages as being younger then 18, at least since the launch of the game, so if there was a change it would have been before, or shortly after the game came out. But I honestly don't remember ever seeing that listed on the main BLits website. I know in the early drafts of the game, the characters were definitely meant to be much younger then they even ended up in the final game, a lot of the early drafts showed the characters more akin to Ichiru and Touchu in Bacchikoi, but somewhere along the way they were aged up from there. Maybe it was on VNDB? even Ichiru and Touchu are listed as being 15/16 there, so I can see someone having listed the Camp Buddy characters initially as younger, but then changing it when the game came out. If I remember correctly, there was even a slight falling out between Mikkoukun and Mazjojo (both of who worked on Bacchikoi) because Mazjojo didn't like the more shota appearance of the characters, which is what lead him to start his own VN and create Full Service. So they were working on both games at the same time. But I think due to Patreon's TOS, and the general atmosphere in the west, where he intended to sell the Game, it led him to age up the characters even more, so he could claim they were 18, even if the rest of the story and setting didn't follow suit. Because yes, no 18yo has to get their parents permission to go to camp, no camp for adults has all the Counselors treat the campers like kids. The entire structure of the camp, the way the counselors treat the campers, and the way the campers talk about themselves, all speaks to the intent of the game having them be at highshool age at most. |
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Unless I completely lost my mind, I distinctly remember that the characters actually were stated as younger initially, but I have no evidence :) and people who I saw claiming that were accused of lying and making things up. It's a bit tricky. The thing is, when BLits Games just made their website, I distinctly remember looking through profiles and seeing the characters' ages being from 14 to 16 (with someone like Hunter being 14, obviously), but then the patch 1.2, I think, came out and all of their in-game profiles had increased ages. Have I completely lost my mind? lol Did I actually saw anything on their website when it just appeared? I mean, they're obviously of a younger age in reality because even the game itself has mentions of school and something about parent's permission in Hunter's route that would make no sense with an increased age, and what 19+ person goes to school anyway? To avoid getting stuck in some potential shotacon controversy, they just increased their ages, so that's obvious. But what I'm confused about is whether what I remember about their website actually happened. Do you remember anything like that from your time on Discord? Did you leave before all of that bullshit with increased ages or after?
Unless I completely lost my mind, I distinctly remember that the characters actually were stated as younger initially, but I have no evidence :) and people who I saw claiming that were accused of lying and making things up. It's a bit tricky. The thing is, when BLits Games just made their website, I distinctly remember looking through profiles and seeing the characters' ages being from 14 to 16 (with someone like Hunter being 14, obviously), but then the patch 1.2, I think, came out and all of their in-game profiles had increased ages. Have I completely lost my mind? lol Did I actually saw anything on their website when it just appeared? I mean, they're obviously of a younger age in reality because even the game itself has mentions of school and something about parent's permission in Hunter's route that would make no sense with an increased age, and what 19+ person goes to school anyway? To avoid getting stuck in some potential shotacon controversy, they just increased their ages, so that's obvious. But what I'm confused about is whether what I remember about their website actually happened. Do you remember anything like that from your time on Discord? Did you leave before all of that bullshit with increased ages or after?
I honestly can't speak to the website stating their ages as being younger then 18, at least since the launch of the game, so if there was a change it would have been before, or shortly after the game came out. But I honestly don't remember ever seeing that listed on the main BLits website. I know in the early drafts of the game, the characters were definitely meant to be much younger then they even ended up in the final game, a lot of the early drafts showed the characters more akin to Ichiru and Touchu in Bacchikoi, but somewhere along the way they were aged up from there. Maybe it was on VNDB? even Ichiru and Touchu are listed as being 15/16 there, so I can see someone having listed the Camp Buddy characters initially as younger, but then changing it when the game came out.
If I remember correctly, there was even a slight falling out between Mikkoukun and Mazjojo (both of who worked on Bacchikoi) because Mazjojo didn't like the more shota appearance of the characters, which is what lead him to start his own VN and create Full Service. So they were working on both games at the same time. But I think due to Patreon's TOS, and the general atmosphere in the west, where he intended to sell the Game, it led him to age up the characters even more, so he could claim they were 18, even if the rest of the story and setting didn't follow suit. Because yes, no 18yo has to get their parents permission to go to camp, no camp for adults has all the Counselors treat the campers like kids. The entire structure of the camp, the way the counselors treat the campers, and the way the campers talk about themselves, all speaks to the intent of the game having them be at highshool age at most.
| @Jackson1333 Hmmmm I actually didn't think about VNDB :) could be, I guess? But yeah, it could also be that they created the initial version of their website, had different ages for a few weeks or something and then edited them, and I just happened to be one of those people who were lucky enough to see it. Who knows. Yeah, I remember them having a falling out, but I didn't know that it was due to the whole shota thing :) well, as far as bara-ish looks go, I'd say that a lot of Full Service guys look pretty nice. I'm just usually not into (overly) muscled guys, so I'm happy that Full Service wasn't a complete disappointment in that regard :) but I still prefer Mikkoukun's style, shota or no shota. Anyway, I never saw the Camp Buddy cast as anything other than teens that they were supposed to be, so after looking through some of the Reddit threads and other similar places at one point, I was a bit confused at how far people were willing to go to deny that they were, for all intents and purposes, shotas + also harass anyone who didn't want to agree with it (like it happened to you). So, I'm a bit torn. On one hand, I'm happy that some compromises managed to help them sell their game, but on the other, it's a shame that the authenticity of the game was ruined in a way, due to such a formality, and people who complained about it were harassed. |
-YaoiBoy- said: I'm just usually not into (overly) muscled guys As long as they aren't wider then they are tall like a lot of bara characters tend to be, I'm fine more muscular guys, even if I tend to prefer more effeminate guys in general. -YaoiBoy- said: On one hand, I'm happy that some compromises managed to help them sell their game, Honestly, I'm fine with them slapping an "all character are 18+" tag on a game, just to help it sell. Hell, one of my favorite loli VN's claim all the chacaters are "18" look at this man training his two "18yo" apprentices, as you do.  |
| I love VNs. They're like books but better because they're interactive and have pictures. And I love how VNs are written from a first person point of view. Now VNs even have animated 3D characters. There are also VR VNs that I haven't tried yet. If the Zero Escape games are considered VNs then they're my favorites. The Danganronpa games were great too. And all the Somnium Files games. I liked how playing Steins;Gate let me imagine I had nerdy friends and could time travel. I played a lot of eroge when I was 13-21 years old. It was basically my substitute for dating. I liked Doukyuusei a lot. I also liked YUNO and Bible Black. Not sure if Baldr Sky was an eroge but I liked it. There were lots of others that I liked just for the erotic scenes. |
| Recommending Song of Saya as a beginner vn whew that's quite the choice haha. It is short though so I understand just a lil much. o.o |
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epidemia78 said:
All these "games" or whatever you want to call them have sections when it just goes way too slow and it can get incredibly tedious.
All these "games" or whatever you want to call them have sections when it just goes way too slow and it can get incredibly tedious.
That bothers me too, but a lot of it can be avoided by simply choosing shorter games. Unfotunately, many of the most hyped games happen to be the longest. VNDB lists Steins;Gate as the shortest of the games you played at almost 44 hours.
Lucifrost said: That bothers me too, but a lot of it can be avoided by simply choosing shorter games. Unfotunately, many of the most hyped games happen to be the longest. VNDB lists Steins;Gate as the shortest of the games you played at almost 44 hours. so, do you have any recs for shorter games? |
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Recommending Song of Saya as a beginner vn whew that's quite the choice haha. It is short though so I understand just a lil much. o.o
| @Zedlin That is so a beginner understands what he is getting into ;) |
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@Zedlin That is so a beginner understands what he is getting into ;)
Lmaooo, you're not wrong you definitely get what ask for with it... |
| I've only read/played a few VNs, those are Danganronpa: Trigger Happy Havoc: 7.7/10 - Decent game, the first time I was hooked by reading dialogue Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair: 8.4/10 - Case 2-4 and 2-5 are some of the best murder mysteries I've seen and that can only be presented through Danganronpa Phoneix Wright: Ace Attorney: 8.3/10 - Case 1-4 was amazing, loved the story and characters Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – Justice for All: 8.1/10 - It had some ups and downs, but the ups are clear Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney – Trials and Tribulations: 8.6/10 - The best VN I've read/played so far, the whole game and the buildup were amazing 999: Nine Hours, Nine Persons, Nine Doors: 7.8/10 - Got bored at some point, but it's worth it to get to the true ending (Used the novel screen because it was more interesting) Plan To Read: Clannad, Steins;Gate, Katawa Shoujo, Saya no Uta, Witch on The Holy Night |
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| @Jackson1333 Even when it's sex for the sex's sake it's good for depicting how the characters behave in intimate situations, so even if it doesn't serve some kind of story-related purpose it adds to the character depth. Essentially, it's simply a part of slice of life concept. Also, I noticed that if a visual novel has sexual stuff in it, it's a good indicator it doesn't shy away from other themes some people could consider controversial, which is good in my book. |
| @-YaoiBoy- Can you tell what would you do if you were in Saya no Uta's protag's shoes? :) @NubFix Any particular reason you dropped V3? |
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@-YaoiBoy- Can you tell what would you do if you were in Saya no Uta's protag's shoes? :)
@NubFix Any particular reason you dropped V3?
@NubFix Any particular reason you dropped V3?
| @Shizuna lost motivation as it dragged too long after the 2nd trial and got spoiled by accident yeah I just lost the motivation, I don't hate the game, still loved the series |
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I'm still waiting for the Harem outcome... For recommendation's sake, buy Nekopara with all Patches on Steam just to learn later that they'd be given away. For free =)) |
SgtBateManApr 28, 4:26 AM
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp!  |
| I played/read few VNs, such as Air, Amagami, Aokana, Chaos;Head Noah, Corpse Party, Steins;Gate and Steins;Gate 0. Of course VN is always better at story telling, because anime is limited to 12 or 24 eps. If they can make it as long as need to be, and make a long special/OVA for another route I bet it can rival the VN. |
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