| Yes! To this day, I've never met anyone in real life that doesn't like Perfect Blue. It's just an absolute classic. It's also popular on Letterboxd as well. |
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| I find this question kind of odd. it's a very well done good older movie course it's popular, i'm glad a lot of people appreciate it |
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| "Is Perfect Blue really so popular?" Not sure, but its pushy fandom is the reason I am skipping it. I didn't had such problems with the fans of Paprika or Tokyo Godfathers. Apparently Perfect Blue attracts some of the worst weebs, there must be something repugnant in it. |
alshuMay 2, 2023 12:59 AM
alshu said: Because people have standards and it's the fault of the entertainment industry that cannot fulfill our standards"Is Perfect Blue really so popular?" Not sure, but its pushy fandom is the reason I am skipping it. I didn't had such problems with the fans of Paprika or Tokyo Godfathers. Apparently Perfect Blue attracts some of the worst weebs, there must be something repugnant in it. |
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| I'd say it's more iconic and visionary than popular. It said a lot about the idol culture and how dark internet/fandom mindset can get, how obsessive and controlling of other's lives it becomes, stealing the very right to one's own public (and private) identity. That was seen by Kon well ahead of its time, thus the visionary part imho. |
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alshu said: "Is Perfect Blue really so popular?" Not sure, but its pushy fandom is the reason I am skipping it. I didn't had such problems with the fans of Paprika or Tokyo Godfathers. Apparently Perfect Blue attracts some of the worst weebs, there must be something repugnant in it. Imagine not watching something because of the fandom. Who gives a shit. |
| It’s popular on here, though if we are talking “general” anime watchers, I imagine it’s not that popular. Great movie though. Like a 90s Black Swan. |
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Faxtual_Ghoul said: alshu said: Because people have standards and it's the fault of the entertainment industry that cannot fulfill our standards"Is Perfect Blue really so popular?" Not sure, but its pushy fandom is the reason I am skipping it. I didn't had such problems with the fans of Paprika or Tokyo Godfathers. Apparently Perfect Blue attracts some of the worst weebs, there must be something repugnant in it. Not sure what the industry has to do here with acting like a jerk towards people who doesn't share your interests? And as mentioned why other fans with similar standards (for example the Agent Of Paranoia ones) aren't acting like cult members? ateks said: Imagine not watching something because of the fandom. What if the fandom is kind of bad? ateks said: Who gives a shit. Apparently you do, when people have a different approach from yours. Also can you explain to me, why the fans of other Satoshi Kon works are quite friendly and accepting even if you disagree with them? In my book the problem must be in Perfect Blue. |
alshuMay 2, 2023 1:37 AM
| ofc Black Swan movie was taken from Perfect Blue (wrongfully) and in anime industry, Perfect Blue is like a classic that both Casual and Elitist find awesome |
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| it's like how junji ito works are also popular among horror fans. satoshi kon movies are stuff that non-anime fan film lovers in general know of. among anime fans, it's also pretty popular, but not THE MOST popular. it's about as popular as made in abyss or vinland saga. |
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| It’s like asking “is The Godfather actually a popular movie?” but in the context of anime |
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| Maybe on MAL but not so much off of it. Look at GitS. Now THAT is a popular 90s anime movie. Blackfire2340 said: more like THE original movie before Black Swan copied it. Or at least heavily inspired by it.Like a 90s Black Swan. alshu said: oh i'm sorry man but ateks has a point here.ateks said: Imagine not watching something because of the fandom. What if the fandom is kind of bad? ateks said: Who gives a shit. Apparently you do, when people have a different approach from yours. Also can you explain to me, why the fans of other Satoshi Kon works are quite friendly and accepting even if you disagree with them? In my book the problem must be in Perfect Blue. That's like me with AoT (yeah i know you dropped it and yes it IS edgy i agree but whatever, just an example). I used to hate it a lot bcoz of the fandom but gets less overtime. Added that i also rewatched it and my hate lessened even more. The same with Perfect Blue. It MAY have sth that attracts a certain group of "bad people" but then again, so what? Just don't mix ourself with them. Yeah such feeling of avoidance is hard to shake off but that's the reality. At the same time you're also missing yourself from watching it like fr - it's only 80 minutes long. |
| Yes, but not really a good anime in my opinoin. |
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TRC_Randy said: oh i'm sorry man but ateks has a point here. He never has a point, he basically trolls 99.99% of the time. TRC_Randy said: That's like me with AoT Yes, it's exactly like AOT. I really hated episode one and the fandom was "Something's wrong with you, it's impossible to dislkie this peak fiction!". In my experience cringe fandom means cringe anime...this is like it will cringe me the same way. Its objective qualities like production and such are irrelevant. TRC_Randy said: but gets less overtime I guess you started enjoy how bad it is...like I can do that too, but only in a certain mood. TRC_Randy said: Just don't mix ourself with them. This is irrelevant. If they enjoy it, it's mostly certain I wouldn't, not to mention those guys as part of the effort to "prove me wrong" spoiled me with some details...funnily enough I wasn't impressed. TRC_Randy said: it's only 80 minutes long. Also Little Witch Academia (2013) - the best Trigger thing ever is only 26 minutes, but even people watching the LWA TV are skipping it...why? Because life is unfair. |
| I found out about this film because of Darren Aronofsky so I guess it has that advantage. Don't know how big of an advantage it is compared to other 90s anime films though. |
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| Yes, among its group. It is one of Kon's boldest works. |
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alshu said: ateks said: Imagine not watching something because of the fandom. What if the fandom is kind of bad? You just ignore it? It's really not that hard to separate the work from the fandom and just enjoy the anime. I don't even know what the fandom of most of my favorite anime is like, I almost never associate with them. |
ateks said: You just ignore it? This is like ignoring the red flags in a shady bar. ateks said: I don't even know what the fandom of most of my favorite anime is like... You have you methods, I have mine. |
| Its decently popular in the anime circles only But its overshadowed in popularity by an average ghibli film any day of the week in the general circles alshu said: "Is Perfect Blue really so popular?" Not sure, but its pushy fandom is the reason I am skipping it. I didn't had such problems with the fans of Paprika or Tokyo Godfathers. Apparently Perfect Blue attracts some of the worst weebs, there must be something repugnant in it. What a shitty ass take that a series with a bad fandom must also be equivalently bad Keep missing out on a good cinematic experience because of your thinking  |
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| It deserves to be more popular. It's one of the best movies ever made. |
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alshu said: You're robbing yourself of a thriller masterpiece because of the fandom... which I am not even sure I've seen them before? No seriously, Perfect Blue has a pushy fandom?Not sure, but its pushy fandom is the reason I am skipping it |
| Tokyo Godfathers>Millenium Actress>Paprika>Perfect Blue |
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Za_Panda said: What a shitty ass take Yeah, talk dirty to me, baby! Try to peer presser me! Prove my point about its fandom! Za_Panda said: that a series with a bad fandom must also be equivalently bad 1. Isn't Prefect Blue likea movie? 2. I never said good or bad. See "objective qualities like production and such are irrelevant". I said I wouldn't enjoy it Za_Panda said: Keep missing out on a good cinematic experience because of your thinking For the sake of the argument lets say I am missing big time...so what? Is there a quota or something? From what I have been spoiled about Perfect Blue, it's a standard thriller. The other Satoshi Kon projects looked way more interesting to meq so I watched those except Sennen Joyuu, which sounds kind of boring. Klad said: a thriller masterpiece I don't value thrillers that high to being with. Klad said: Perfect Blue has a pushy fandom? One dude even threatened me with physical violence...and he is from my country, theoretically he could find me. |
alshuMay 2, 2023 4:42 AM
alshu said: not this time i'm afraid.TRC_Randy said: oh i'm sorry man but ateks has a point here. He never has a point, he basically trolls 99.99% of the time. alshu said: nah it's not bad. Part of the fandom is.TRC_Randy said: but gets less overtime I guess you started enjoy how bad it is...like I can do that too, but only in a certain mood. alshu said: that's why they're called "spoilers"?TRC_Randy said: Just don't mix ourself with them. This is irrelevant. If they enjoy it, it's mostly certain I wouldn't, not to mention those guys as part of the effort to "prove me wrong" spoiled me with some details...funnily enough I wasn't impressed. But look, i think the main issue here is that you interacted with the fandom and worry about what they said a little too much like anime was never like that. It's just about you and the anime. That's it. It's about you and the specific drink you wish to get that bars usually sell. You didn't have to go into specifically THAT "shady bar" let alone spending a long time in it, interacting with the drink's fanatic a-holes and then worrying about it to the point you stopped looking for the drink you wanted. Anyhow, the point remains that fandom =/= watch/don't watch anime. And the thing you said doesn't make sense either like, how do you know that when you haven't tried. |
TRC_RandyMay 2, 2023 6:17 AM
TRC_Randy said: not this time Especially this time since he already knows I do that and why I do that (gave and explanation in the other topic). Dude is like a chatbot. TRC_Randy said: nah it's not bad Well maybe not exactly bad, more like infuriating, especially the way its writers treat the viewers... TRC_Randy said: that's why they're called "spoilers"? I don't feel spoiled tho, since I wouldn't appreciate such twists (being kind of standard for the genre). TRC_Randy said: But look, i think the main issue here is that you interacted with the fandom and worry Not exactly "worried". TRC_Randy said: anime was never like that OK, you don't like my analogy. Still certain people liking certain anime is a red flag for me. If thee are other things like me not being interested in the premise, it still can I tip the scales. TRC_Randy said: Anyhow, the point remains that fandom =/= watch/don't watch anime. This is like a matter of opinion... TRC_Randy said: doesn't make sense Lets say that you don't like spicy food and a fan of it praises certain course at a restoration for being extra spicy... TRC_Randy said: how do you know that when you haven't tried. Because they praise stuff in it I don't like in general. |
| I find most answers here interesting. I'm going to assume you guys are american or something? Perfect Blue (and Jin-Roh) were quite big here in France. Their cinema releases were honestly decent for the amount of promotion anime gets here (zero), and they've been staples of anime movies on french public TV since then. I haven't watched TV in ages, but you can probably still catch a Kon and a couple Ghibli every other year or so on the 5th channel ^_- |
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alshu said: Could be because I'm like an ostrich with its head in the sand when it comes to fandoms, but I've never come across 'pushy' Perfect Blue fans. You said something about not liking the elements in it and being spoiled about the plot - doesn't matter (well, most probably). I bet I'd hate it if anyone else tried to do the same thing, but Kon doesn't, he makes what is easily among the best psychological horror/thrillers I've seen in my short time with anime/film. Whether you choose to watch it or not is entirely your business, but for what it's worth, I'd say give it a go, at the very least you'll end up with a somewhat unpleasant experience - think of it as the equivalent of watching any random anime nowadays.Not sure, but its pushy fandom is the reason I am skipping it. I didn't had such problems with the fans of Paprika or Tokyo Godfathers. Apparently Perfect Blue attracts some of the worst weebs, there must be something repugnant in it. OT: Yep, pretty popular, both among anime fans and dedicated film geeks. For good reason too imo. |
elnino02 said: Could be because I'm like an ostrich with its head in the sand when it comes to fandoms, but I've never come across 'pushy' Perfect Blue fans. You said something about not liking the elements in it and being spoiled about the plot - doesn't matter (well, most probably). I bet I'd hate it if anyone else tried to do the same thing, but Kon doesn't, he makes what is easily among the best psychological horror/thrillers I've seen in my short time with anime/film. Whether you choose to watch it or not is entirely your business, but for what it's worth, I'd say give it a go, at the very least you'll end up with a somewhat unpleasant experience - think of it as the equivalent of watching any random anime nowadays. So basically: 1. You don't believe me. 2. Perfect Blue's fandom is made out cherubs. 3. Perfect Blue is the best representative of a genre I don't like. 4. I am free to watch it or not. So because of 1, 2, 3 and 4 I should watch it even if I hate it, because every contemporary anime is unteachable anyway. I my head this doesn't add up. |
| I mean, I'm familiar with it because I'm old as dirt and used AMV Hell for recommendations. But I can only guess as to whether younger and newer fans know about it and how. |
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alshu said: ofc it is opinion. I don't doubt that. I'm just arguing on principle basis that those two things simply aren't connected.TRC_Randy said: Anyhow, the point remains that fandom =/= watch/don't watch anime. This is like a matter of opinion... |
| Yeah, it's arguably the most well-known of Satoshi Kon's works, and usually pops up on most "best anime movies" or "best psychological/horror anime" lists i've seen. Personally, it's not among my top favorite movies, but I do agree with the general consensus that it is very good and well-crafted. |
Deathko said: I find most answers here interesting. I'm going to assume you guys are american or something? Perfect Blue (and Jin-Roh) were quite big here in France. Their cinema releases were honestly decent for the amount of promotion anime gets here (zero), and they've been staples of anime movies on french public TV since then. I haven't watched TV in ages, but you can probably still catch a Kon and a couple Ghibli every other year or so on the 5th channel ^_- Sounds about right. Doesn't France have the largest manga market in the world after Japan? Outside of Asia at the very least. Additionally, cinema in general seems to have a significant part in the culture. France has more avid moviegoers than any other European country, and Cannes is known as the world capital of cinema hosting the Cannes Film Festival. With that in mind, I don't find it surprising that Satoshi Kon, Ghibli and other anime movies are popular there. If you go up to the average anime fan in America, especially the new younger generation, I doubt they'd even know who Satoshi Kon is. |
PyroMay 3, 2023 2:23 PM
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| @Pyro Yeah, lots of european countries started licensing anime in the 70s. The World Masterpiece Theater serieson which a good portion of the future Ghibli studio made its arms led to many iconic and beloved cartoons in the old world. I know Heidi is the Swiss cartoon, just like us french had Ie Naki Ko. Because we had such a big comics/animation industry at the time, this led to some coproductions, like the (really famous) cartoons produced by this man: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Chalopin ; or this dreadful manga written by Moebius and drawn by Taniguchi: https://myanimelist.net/manga/5118/Icaro And there's the comics festival of Angoulême and animation festival of Annecy. Ghibli's and Kon's movies won the award a bunch of time there, so the general public has some form of knowledge of anime beyond "funny pokmons" since a while. |
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alshu said: I said I haven't had any similar experiences because I don't interact with fans much - I don't really care about how the masses feel towards any kind of media. Dunno how that translates to "I don't believe you".elnino02 said: Could be because I'm like an ostrich with its head in the sand when it comes to fandoms, but I've never come across 'pushy' Perfect Blue fans. You said something about not liking the elements in it and being spoiled about the plot - doesn't matter (well, most probably). I bet I'd hate it if anyone else tried to do the same thing, but Kon doesn't, he makes what is easily among the best psychological horror/thrillers I've seen in my short time with anime/film. Whether you choose to watch it or not is entirely your business, but for what it's worth, I'd say give it a go, at the very least you'll end up with a somewhat unpleasant experience - think of it as the equivalent of watching any random anime nowadays. So basically: 1. You don't believe me. 2. Perfect Blue's fandom is made out cherubs. You'd know better. And the fans don't have any bearing on the anime itself, so I fail to see the problem.3. Perfect Blue is the best representative of a genre I don't like. Quite possibly, yeah.4. I am free to watch it or not. Yeah, it's not like anyone's holding a gun to your head.So because of 1, 2, 3 and 4 I should watch it even if I hate it, because every contemporary anime is unteachable anyway. It's just an 80 minute film, I'm sure you've sat through longer anime that you didn't enjoy. Or you could stick to staying convinced that you hate it without giving it a try, ranting about its toxic fans on some online forum. At the end of the day, it's just an animated film, you don't unlock any achievements either way.In my head this doesn't add up. |
elnino02 said: translates to "I don't believe you". When you say "I had a different experience" this means exactly that - you are putting doubt even on my subjective arguments. elnino02 said: Quite possibly, yeah. Then why should I watch it if I am not that into this genre and the fandom gives me weird vibes for this particular movie? elnino02 said: it's not like anyone's holding a gun to your head. You guys are still trying to convince me to watch it tho...like what gives? Isn't it obvious on this stage that I am not going to? elnino02 said: It's just an 80 minute film Similar case with Robot Carnival, but why you haven't seen it? Different priorities maybe? Also you should check on Cencoroll Connect (which is Cencoroll 1 + Cencoroll 2). elnino02 said: I'm sure you've sat through longer anime that you didn't enjoy Not really. Yes, I have watched tons of trash...but it was enjoyable trash. Way better than unenjoyable masterpieces. elnino02 said: Or you could stick to staying convinced that you hate I am not hating it. Just statistically speaking when certain crowd tend to overhype certain anime when I watch it turns out it's not my cup of tea. Also I am not into thrillers (since those tend to be quite shallow and fake). If it was sci-fi I would give it a try. elnino02 said: ranting about its toxic fans on some online forum Ranting about those guys is the right thing in my book. If they actually aren't toxic (which I doubt), maybe the will learn to be less antagonizing? elnino02 said: it's just an animated film, you don't unlock any achievements either way. Yep, so stop pushing it in my face will you? I came here to complain about the exact same type of behavior. (Well, at least you are polite.) |
alshu said: I didn't mean that, I'll apologise if that's how I came across.elnino02 said: translates to "I don't believe you". When you say "I had a different experience" this means exactly that - you are putting doubt even on my subjective arguments. elnino02 said: It's just an 80 minute film Similar case with Robot Carnival, but why you haven't seen it? Different priorities maybe? Also you should check on Cencoroll Connect (which is Cencoroll 1 + Cencoroll 2). Also I am not into thrillers (since those tend to be quite shallow and fake). I'm usually not fond of thrillers either (especially in anime), for the exact same reason you gave. And I don't like idols either. I came into the film completely blind after a friend recommended it to me. Had I known the premise I probably would have been a bit hesitant to watch it, so I guess I can kinda see where you're coming from. That said, it is in no way similar to other *cough* highly rated edgy idol thrillers *cough*. |
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