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Who is more noble: Squealer or Yang Wen-li? (spoilers for this entire series and for series Legend of the Galactic Heroes)

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Who is the better freedom fighter character: Squealer or Yang Wen-li?
Jul 24, 2022 4:01 PM
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The question in the poll is slightly different than the topic title, as I thought the poll's question would be a little too spoiler-y for both series.

Anyway, who is the better freedom fighter - Squealer, who fought a war against the oppression of the cantus-users, or Admiral Yang Wen-li, who fought a war against the subjugation of the Galactic Empire?
RenounceSetrJul 24, 2022 6:20 PM
Jul 24, 2022 6:17 PM
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Squealer.

Yang Wen-li is just a meme.
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Jul 24, 2022 7:21 PM
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Yang wen-li. Squealer wasn’t very noble at all. Yes he might’ve fought for a noble cause. The freedom of his people, but morals and ethics be damned he was going to do whatever it takes to win. Yang on the other hand would try to achieve his goals as peaceful as possible. Just look at his capture of iserlohn fortress. No forced casualties besides the admiral and his fleet after it was captured, but he offered them capture or even let them pass back to Odin. So I would say Yang is more noble than Squealer by a wide margin.
Jul 24, 2022 8:15 PM
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for sure yang wenli the Mr man is more noble. But I love squealer he's just a damn rat.
Jul 25, 2022 12:54 AM
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No way ya’ll said squealer, Yang wen li is the pinnacle of being Noble.
Jul 25, 2022 12:55 AM
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Aslat24 said:
Yang wen-li. Squealer wasn’t very noble at all. Yes he might’ve fought for a noble cause. The freedom of his people, but morals and ethics be damned he was going to do whatever it takes to win. Yang on the other hand would try to achieve his goals as peaceful as possible. Just look at his capture of iserlohn fortress. No forced casualties besides the admiral and his fleet after it was captured, but he offered them capture or even let them pass back to Odin. So I would say Yang is more noble than Squealer by a wide margin.

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Jul 25, 2022 4:53 PM
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Aslat24 said:
Yang wen-li. Squealer wasn’t very noble at all. Yes he might’ve fought for a noble cause. The freedom of his people, but morals and ethics be damned he was going to do whatever it takes to win. Yang on the other hand would try to achieve his goals as peaceful as possible. Just look at his capture of iserlohn fortress. No forced casualties besides the admiral and his fleet after it was captured, but he offered them capture or even let them pass back to Odin. So I would say Yang is more noble than Squealer by a wide margin.


Squealer did not have the luxury of avoiding casualties, since the imbalance of power between his own side and his enemy's side was of a greater magnitude than even the imbalance of power between the Iserlohn Republic and the New Galactic Empire. The only way Squealer could ensure freedom for his (sub-)species was to eliminate every single cantus user that lived. Leaving even one alive would mean risking defeat, since cantus users are so incredibly powerful that even one had a good chance of being able to kill all of the monster rats in retaliation.

Yang's risk of losing was never going to be complete annihilation of his personnel and countryfolk, so he would never have a motivation to do the same to his opponent. Yang also didn't have the total annihilation of his opponent as his only viable victory condition - he only needed to kill one man, really, to win his war. Perhaps Yang would have attempted xenocide, like Squealer, had that been his only means of preserving democratic republicanism (or the human race).
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Aslat24 said:
Yang wen-li. Squealer wasn’t very noble at all. Yes he might’ve fought for a noble cause. The freedom of his people, but morals and ethics be damned he was going to do whatever it takes to win. Yang on the other hand would try to achieve his goals as peaceful as possible. Just look at his capture of iserlohn fortress. No forced casualties besides the admiral and his fleet after it was captured, but he offered them capture or even let them pass back to Odin. So I would say Yang is more noble than Squealer by a wide margin.


Squealer did not have the luxury of avoiding casualties, since the imbalance of power between his own side and his enemy's side was of a greater magnitude than even the imbalance of power between the Iserlohn Republic and the New Galactic Empire. The only way Squealer could ensure freedom for his (sub-)species was to eliminate every single cantus user that lived. Leaving even one alive would mean risking defeat, since cantus users are so incredibly powerful that even one had a good chance of being able to kill all of the monster rats in retaliation.

Yang's risk of losing was never going to be complete annihilation of his personnel and countryfolk, so he would never have a motivation to do the same to his opponent. Yang also didn't have the total annihilation of his opponent as his only viable victory condition - he only needed to kill one man, really, to win his war. Perhaps Yang would have attempted xenocide, like Squealer, had that been his only means of preserving democratic republicanism (or the human race).
@RenounceSetr well said. And as far as genocides go, this was not motivated by hatred, but by self-defense after a 1000 years of rule by literally whoever the most psychopathic cantus-wielder at the time was.

Cantus wielders themselves demonstrated that they would have no peace unless they could all be prevented from hurting other humans.

Cantus wielders also demonstrated that they only wanted peace amongst themselves. Not for ordinary humans. They would sooner deform ordinary humans so they could still enslave them rather than live in peace and equality with them.

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