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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So Boogiepop and Boogiepop Phantom are actually two different entities. Interesting episode focusing on Nagi. This show just gets better and better, glad I watched the live action movie first though. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| Pretty confusing.So,the one who captured the special ones(I guess they became special because the pillar of light-the explosion of Echoes) is Boogiepop Phantom while the one pretending to be Saotome-kun is Manticore(or a part of it).Ah!Confusing...Question:Was Boogiepop Phantom born from Boogiepop or Manticore? |
Urufuzu_reinJun 28, 2010 8:11 AM
| "This Forest isn't going to reveal all its secrets for the likes of you." |
| This was a very entertaining episode... I'm a little confused though |
| So, the investigator was the same journalist? what happened with the train? |
| I'm starting to feel like I should have checkout out the novel before watching this. |
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| jeez, just what am i watching... |
| I could really use a rundown on the novels and other material. The pieces just aren't all fitting together. In spite of that it was a good episode though. |
| Piece by piece it's coming together. Loved this episode. |
| I am really confused. So did the journalist die at the end of the episode in the train? |
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| The manticore or a bit of him went into that guy on the train at the end, also it's good that episode fills in some blanks but you really got to read the novels because so much that is needed to understand the story is in them. |
| "Nothing is sweeter than your smile" |
| Uh oh, looks like the manticore still got the guy. Why don't I think he'll just die in a few days? |
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| I think it's safe to say that my mind is still reeling over how to put this all together, but the gist of it is coming together at least. The idea of the composite humans, each one's name and role, and how Kirima Nagi fits into all of it are making more sense. That random parade at the end was so crazy and that butterfly girl Echo still freaks me out. |
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| Sincerely didn't expect the existence of a separate Boogiepop entity, which is most likely responsible for the 'capturing' of newly-evolved humans after the mysterious light in episode 4 (which I at first, though was Manticore's doings, and for the previous episode, either Manticore in-disguise or Boogiepop). My personal take on the appearance of the light and the Phantom is to 'clear up the mess' like they all say: the world is just not prepared for a world with superhumans with ignorant, human brains, and Phantom has to sweep them up to prevent disorder, which the mysterious organisation (Towa, was it?) was trying to achieve. A rather basic concept, which is taken into complication by the anime's direction (intended). |
| "If you reject me, I'll blast a hole in you!" Kanzaki H. Aria Just kidding.  |
| I don't understand anything. what the hell is going on? |
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| Pretty nice development, I really do wonder what the next episodes will have to offer though! |
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| Mostly everything in this episode was explained. But, still a lot of wtfisgoingon going on... |
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| I feel like this episode was supposed to explain everything that's been going on, but there are still way too many unanswered questions. At least we know the existence of a Boogiepop and a Boogiepop Phantom now. I liked the focus on Nagi though. She's kind of a focal point in a show that is extremely loosely connected. |
 This is not your grave...But you are welcome in it :3  |
| The Boogiepop Phantom is much creepier than the original Boogiepop. Did Manticore just possesed Kishida? |
| All weebs creatures of the galaxy, hear this message. Those of you who listen will not be struck by western animation. You will no longer know hunger, nor pain. Your Anime have come to lead you now. Our strength shall serve as a luminous sun toward which all intelligence may blossom. And the impervious shelter beneath which you will prosper. However, for those who refuse our offer and cling to their western animation ways… For you, there will be great wrath. |
| Really loved this episode and the way it pieced different events together, making everything feel a little more cohesive. |
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| Fucks sake, I can't take any more of this without being here just for the cool sound effects. Moving straight ahead to the lns |
| That was great. I usually like complex stories but it was slightly difficult to grasp this one, which makes it even better. This episode was amazing, only problem is there wasn't enough psychedelic sound designs and visuals. Other than that, another part of this masterpiece of a series. Great and certainly effective exposition episode. |
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| So the Manticore wasn't "the" Boogiepop after all, it was "Boogiepop Phantom", created by Echoes which is either an evolved human form or an alien, kept by that Towa Organization. Manticore, an man-eater, was born from Echoes, who cast that pillar of light to "disperse" him, creating a magnetic field that made Boogiepop Phantom from Manticore, giving "powers" and "evolving" some people of the city, but I am still unsure if Snake Eyes (Morita) and the Spooky Electric are some of these. Anyways, Phantom has been "freeing" these evolved people and Manticore took Saotome's form, then we continued from there with Nagi against them in a form or another. I think this is the best episode so far and put the pieces of the puzzle together, but I still got to understand the serial killer and the 5 years ago events such as Manaka (the butterfly girl which still appeared in the same year she was born). |
| Replicants replacing humans, the next stage of human evolution involving telekinetics and psychics, mysterious murders removing unwanted people from society, paranormal activities cause by electromagnetic waves, and now a theory that we're living in a simulation. What an anime. |
| I think this is the first time I've been truly creeped out by an anime |
TheeAnimeGodJun 12, 2023 12:10 AM
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| Kirima's thoughts . . . [</3] |
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Quiddity131 said: _Tatyana_ said: Wait... HUH?? There was an original Boogiepop and then there's the Manticore.. and Boogiepop Phantom is Boogiepop with the Manticore's physical appearance. What in the world??? So.. the pillar of light combined the two to create Boogiepop Phantom? What exactly was the original Boogiepop? Where did the Manticore even come from? Who is Echoes? A copy of the Manticore? So the real Manticore is/was.. uh. Yeah, you lost me. Most confusing episode yet. Boogiepop essentially acts as a second personality for Toka Miyashita (or perhaps is another being inhabitating her body, I recall her mentioning in an earlier episode that she was possessed by a fox spirit). Echoes is an alien being that was captured by the Towa Organization, from whom they made the Manticore, and eventually other composite humans like Morita/Snake Eyes and Spooky Electric. Eventually the Manticore escapes and kills a student at Shinyo Academy, Minako Yurihara and takes her form. Masami Saotome comes across her and through his megalomanical intentions and essentially falling in love with her, teams up with her to either kill people or enslave them (see scenes in episode 4). Echoes also escapes and was encountered by Boogiepop as seen briefly in this episode when Kushida sees the flashback from butterfly girl. Echoes and Nagi confront the Manticore and Saotome; Echoes essentially sacrifices himself to kill the Manticore by creating the pillar of light but Saotome throws her out of the way and dies instead. But then through the efforts of Boogiepop and a couple of students that don't appear at all in Boogiepop Phantom, the Manticore is killed (see brief flashbacks to it in this episode). The pillar of light created by Echoes caused a lot of chain reactions including various students (such as Jounichi in episode 2 or the brother and sister pair in episode 7) to have special abilities. It also brought back the Manticore, although this time it took the form of Saotome. Finally, it created a second Boogiepop, although this one bases its appearance on Minako Yurihara instead of Toka Miyashita. Phew, that takes a lot of explaining to do. Most of this can be found in the original light novel or watching episodes 1 - 3 of the 2019 adaption. Do you recommend watching the 2019 version after this? I assume it doesn't have the same aesthetic taste to it as the old one, but it's probably easier to understand |
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