is marriage compulsory?

@deg

I see, I think I know the answer but you are not married are you (no need to answer it), I know I would not want to under this arrangement.. I guess I'm in the minority though as Philippines' TFR is above replacement, one of the few nations to achieve that in 2021.

@DreamWindow

It is absolutely part of the equation (one of the most common dealbreakers), and no couple that isn't completely braindead would leave that conversation after the marriage I think. But even if it was talked about beforehand, sometimes feelings change. It's somehow not the man/woman you used to love. I wouldn't consider it immoral behavior if you genuinely want to have kids with the person, but that spark has somehow been lost over time. Because otherwise it's super unreasonable and demanding to say "stay with and bear the child of someone you no longer love".

@deg

I see, I think I know the answer but you are not married are you (no need to answer it), I know I would not want to under this arrangement.. I guess I'm in the minority though as Philippines' TFR is above replacement, one of the few nations to achieve that in 2021.

@DreamWindow

It is absolutely part of the equation (one of the most common dealbreakers), and no couple that isn't completely braindead would leave that conversation after the marriage I think. But even if it was talked about beforehand, sometimes feelings change. It's somehow not the man/woman you used to love. I wouldn't consider it immoral behavior if you genuinely want to have kids with the person, but that spark has somehow been lost over time. Because otherwise it's super unreasonable and demanding to say "stay with and bear the child of someone you no longer love".

@Auron_ ye im not married and when it comes to population i say quality is better than quantity, too many poor citizens here due to poor healthcare and poor education

Fertility going down seems to be a worldwide phenomenon now across many regions and cultures. It's happening in Latin America, South Asia and even some Middle Eastern countries now too such that there are nations below replacement in all of these areas. So I imagine the explanation would have to be different than just a turn to hedonism. I assume humans are by default pleasure seeking.



Perhaps some of these laws are disagreeable, but I don't see where it becomes compulsory to marry. Just that marriage is given special treatment. Your friend will not feel any compulsion to marry you just so they can have access to the same hospital visitation rights.


I actually do view marriage as having some benefit to society, so I'm fine giving it some tax benefit. I don't consider this rising to the level of marriage being compulsory for couples, however. Plenty of people do fine paying taxes as single people.

Maybe, but I'm sure the proliferation of OnlyFans and similar sites are not helping matters. Then there's the advent of AI, so who knows how that's going to affect things.

@DreamWindow

I'm not sure on this tbh. Sure, OF may lower your sexual wanting slightly, but it will not actually solve your loneliness. The primary reason why having a partner is a great and fulfilling thing isn't because you get to regularly have sex (it is not insignificant either ofc), it is because you have someone who loves and cares about you and there for you through thick and thin.

So as OF doesn't alleviate loneliness, I'd think most men who don't pursue romantic relationships post-OF wouldn't pre-OF either.

it´s a stupid fantasy people have in their head that when they meet their special some one they need to have a magical wedding that will be oh so magical and it stems from a shitty religion that taught witch burning was a nice hobby to have for a while. Now it´s like Valentines day and Christmas a shitty thing for capitalism.

yes it is.

"what's even the deal with marriage anyway?"

so you aren't a fornicating piece of shit and can actually have sex without being a morally bankrupt fucktard.

Marriage is an institution, and if society gradually puts less importance into it that's fine with me. You can still have love and health without marriage.

A slightly more controversial and complicated topic is whether or not to start families, have kids, etc.... A decreasing population has some interesting implications in our modern world, and while I'd never want any child to be born into a home where they are not welcomed, I can't say that low birth rates are necessarily a good thing. Especially since the reasons why people are choosing to not have children are things like financial burden, the current [bleak] state of the world, and a lack of support in child rearing.

Interesting that we are the only species that actively chooses to resist reproduction, whereas the rest of nature desperately seeks to carry it out. Not judging it, I'm just fascinated by it.

@NoelleIsSleepy we get NTHE relatively soon. Besides, human population is still rapidly growing, despite "declining" birth rates. See this link as proof...

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

Anyone, who is actually concerned about humans going extinct from "low-birth rates", is clearly delusional. Human population is still rapidly and uncontrollably growing. The myth of "declining" birth rates is just pure delusional.

@DesuMaiden I think you're missing the point... It's not about extinction, it's about social stability. The overall global population is growing, yes, but a number of developed countries are experiencing declining birth rates which can give rise to changes in the economy, workforce, and care that can be extended to the elderly.

Here's a list of countries with declining birth rates. The majority of countries that are experiencing a high birth rate these days are in Africa and East/South East Asia, everywhere else is essentially experiencing a decrease.

I don't think anyone is claiming that humans are going to go extinct, but it's not delusional to talk about declining birth rates because, well... it's real.

@NoelleIsSleepy you are a hopium addict. You fallen to the propaganda of the elites, fooling you into thinking that NTHE isnt real. But it is definitely coming.

Not compulsory but highly recommended/ Having a partner to spend your life with is therapeutic in ways you probably don't even realize.

Human beings are not monogamous and love is a chemical reaction that lasts 5 years then is replaced by affection and this is not as strong as love, it won't last. Couples that don't break up are very rare.
Marriage has always held up because in almost all societies it was supported by the system and by religion which forced and continues to force people to stay together for the good of their children. Now that many religions are losing their roots, divorces are exploding and there are fewer and fewer marriages and those that exist always end up with betrayals and strange things where in the end you're together but you're no longer a real family. People are designed to always look for better and in a globalized world and thanks to the internet it is possible to lay eyes and literally meet anyone, this has led to an unprecedented availability of new partners compared to the past. People are too busy with work (both not just the father figure but also the mother), commitments, bureaucratic affairs, watching TV, surfing web, sporting activities, various distractions to be together, many parents are strangers in their own house. Families do not talk anymore at least they messages in the groupchat. The latest generations are almost all children of separated or never married parents so they cannot have much faith in marriage. However, even marriages that have lasted, like perhaps those of grandparents, have had the opportunity to see how many grandparents actually hate each other. Yes, we say that it would be better to overcome the concept of family because it is now obsolete and try to create something like a K-paxian society where children are assigned to individuals (single or couple) who can become their role models (not like TV actors, show business VIP or singers) to raise them and educate them with current culture and current values.

Unless you're doing something with your life that's actually meaningful and necessitates that you dedicate all of your virility to it (like being a monk or something) then why would you avoid it? If you're not planning to be with someone for the rest of your life, then why are you romantically or sexually involved with them? It makes no sense and is a literal waste of time for both parties that often does more harm than good. Most people that aren't keen on it nowadays are losers and whores (often it's cope also, which I find funny).

Marriage and divorce seem to be on the decline, despite the rising population. People are generally less interested in marriage than they have been in the past, instead favouring a more hedonistic lifestyle. At least, to my understanding.



Well, sure, but I also don't see why they should file for divorce for any reason, either. I think divorce should be an option, but I think we should cut the welfare expenditure that incentivizes divorce and broken homes in the first place. That way, entering a marriage is a much greater responsibility on the parties involved that they can't just change their partners out like socks.





Yeah for sure, it's always tragic how accepted broken homes have become. Of course. I'm not so callous that I expect it to be forced regardless of if it doesn't work out. But if you make the initiation, you should respect the other person, and take the responsibility for the decision.

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This is what I was trying to get at. It appears as if it got lost in translation :P



Yes, what I was trying to say is that it is important that you honour your agreements. As well as highlight the important role that marriage plays in our society.

I mean, marriage tends to lead to childbearing. If in the instance, there is a marriage that transpires, in which one party wants to have children, and the other doesn't, then that's a concerning development that they would have hopefully sorted out before that. But I think, on some level, unless the decision was made perfectly clear to both parties, it's at least safe bet to assume that child bearing will be at least part of the equation. Should it be set in law that this is the only reason for marriage? Probably not. But I think you're being silly if it's not apart of the equation at all.

@DreamWindow Indeed. Even if we exclude (or rather discard) other elements typical to marriage in many cultures, such as religion, or tradition (both of them still play an important role in the whole concept of marriage in a lot of cultures, even if the institution itself has become secular in many countries), then what is left is just being fair towards another person. Treating oaths seriously have been with humanity for thousands of years, after all. No need to change it for the sake of changing something. Especially no need to change something for worse, because instrumental use of marriage becoming common is the first step to destabilizing society. In the end, those who are suffering the most are children from broken homes, and those who treated marriage in a mature way, thinking before the divorce that the other person had the same views.

Yes yes, I got it. I just sometimes tend to add my five cents, even if they are more or less repeating what was already said earlier, haha.