Why do so many people still shove anime through interpolaiton AI?

Interpolation aside, why would smoother not be better? Because most people are only used to standard framerate and are unable or unwilling to accustom to anything else?

@Zarutaku
Because that isnt how animation works. Just adding too many frames produces bad results because it messes up the sense of of speed and impact and sometimes just hits uncanny valley. Actually this happens on film too. Ever notice how soap operas and British tv shows have a sort of cheap look to them unlike a more US cinematic show? That is because they have a higher frame rate.

Interpolation aside, why would smoother not be better? Because most people are only used to standard framerate and are unable or unwilling to accustom to anything else?

@traed Pretty sure that comes from people not being used to it, are there any studies about the reason for this negative perception?

@traed Pretty sure that comes from people not being used to it, are there any studies about the reason for this negative perception?

@Zarutaku
Because that isnt how animation works. Just adding too many frames produces bad results because it messes up the sense of of speed and impact and sometimes just hits uncanny valley. Actually this happens on film too. Ever notice how soap operas and British tv shows have a sort of cheap look to them unlike a more US cinematic show? That is because they have a higher frame rate.

Because anime is drawn at a lower frame rate than even regular live action cinema.
If the creators of the anime didn't want it to be interpolated, they should have drawn it at higher frame rate.

Although they sort of have the excuse that drawing frames is actually a lot of work, whereas live action movies just need to change a setting on the camera, but they still only make 24 fps sideshows that they call movies.

@traed it doesn't look cheap because of the framerate, but because it actually is cheap compared to Hollywood cinema...
It's kind of backwards that modern cheap TV shows adopted higher frame rate, even though historically the 24fps was only chosen as a standard because celluloid film was very expensive.
Gemini man actually has a 4k 60fps bluray release, and it looks great, even if the plot isn't particularly good.
And as for looking weird, you'd get used to it after 2 movies and then you'd never want to go back.

@JaniSIr Technical and historical reasons 24 fps has been the standard for over a century aside...

If 60 fps animation becomes standard how do you think that's going to affect the industry? Nearly triple the workload/costs for a miniscule illusion of smoother animation? That's ridiculous.

Animators are already keeling over trying to meet demand at 24 fps. I say leave well enough alone.

@Lhundrup Oh I'm well aware, anime isn't even 24fps normally, just a still image with panning, or only mouth flaps being animated, or they do alternate frame animation for foreground and background, or when they actually need to animate all frames, they just drop the detail levels a lot...

For live action it'd literally just be a different setting on the camera.

Smoother animation is better, especially for still frame shots where the camera is panning around. But the problem is, it creates too many visible artifacts that ruin immersion. And the AI isn't good enough to make everything look smooth - if there's not enough frame data to work with, it can't magically create smooth motions. And since some motions will look smoother than others, it will take you out of the immersion.

I used to use a program called SVP4 to smoothen anime in real time, but stopped using it after a short while since the artifacting pulled me out from enjoying the shows. I do use it however for watching movies, as it works better there.

@JaniSIr That's what I mean, anime would be like 5 minutes smooth action and the rest being panning still images and mouth flapping per episode. They'd have to cut SO many corners to meet a 60 fps standard to keep within budget and be profitable.

@JaniSIr Hmm... nope, i still prefere the lower fps even after watching some 4k releases, granted it's interesting to see the difference, and if newer movies were to release directly like that being meant to look like that i'd have no problem with it, but i wouldn't go as far as to "never want to go back" and wanting all old movies to look like that, they have the charm of their times, making everything look the same will just make the newer format look stale

@DigiCat What did you watch exactly? The only proper movie release I know of is Gemini Man, unless the new Avatar has one too.
Besides that you are kind of stuck with youtube stuff that's native, or interpolation.

@JaniSIr Not sure what you mean by proper movie release, 4k blurays have been around for a while now, unless you mean 4k theatrical release?

I have Suicide Squad 4k bluray and have seen a couple more superhero movies elswhere


I searched Gemini Man, and i'm still not 100% sold on 4k, sure it has a lot more detail, but that level of detail can be a double edged sword, specifically i noticed this in a slow motion scene where in the 4k version it looks like the actors are moving in slow motion on purpose taking the viewer out of the immersion of the movie

Because anime is drawn at a lower frame rate than even regular live action cinema.
If the creators of the anime didn't want it to be interpolated, they should have drawn it at higher frame rate.

Although they sort of have the excuse that drawing frames is actually a lot of work, whereas live action movies just need to change a setting on the camera, but they still only make 24 fps sideshows that they call movies.

@DigiCat 4k is pretty standard on any new movies, the thing with Gemini Man is that it's native 60fps.

The Hobbit had like a 48fps theatrical release, but that's not available for consumers, and as I said I'm not sure about Avatar, since that had a variable refresh rate theatrical version, but I didn't watch it yet.

@JaniSIr
You completely misread my question. I'm not asking why anime is made at 24 fps. I'm asking why there are so many people that are stupid enough to think it looks better jacked up to 60.

@Akuya People interpolate anime and movies, because they are made at 24fps.
That's the only reason there needs to be.
60fps should have been the standard an eternity ago.

@JaniSIr Oh i see, Gemini Man is filmed in 60fps while the others are adapted (did i get that right?)

Pity Hobbit theatrical version isn't available on home video or steaming, i'd be quite curious to see what it's like as it's an inbetween of the classic 25 fps and 4k

@JaniSIr
How so? Please explain to me what make high frame rate animation better than 24 fps.

@JaniSIr
How so? Please explain to me what make high frame rate animation better than 24 fps.

@Akuya Smoother motion, and you can see more details in the movement.

@traed it doesn't look cheap because of the framerate, but because it actually is cheap compared to Hollywood cinema...
It's kind of backwards that modern cheap TV shows adopted higher frame rate, even though historically the 24fps was only chosen as a standard because celluloid film was very expensive.
Gemini man actually has a 4k 60fps bluray release, and it looks great, even if the plot isn't particularly good.
And as for looking weird, you'd get used to it after 2 movies and then you'd never want to go back.

To be honest sometimes it looks good

@Zarutaku
Because that isnt how animation works. Just adding too many frames produces bad results because it messes up the sense of of speed and impact and sometimes just hits uncanny valley. Actually this happens on film too. Ever notice how soap operas and British tv shows have a sort of cheap look to them unlike a more US cinematic show? That is because they have a higher frame rate.

I like watching films interpolated to 60fps. I don't understand why most people find it weird. Must be console players who got used to 20fps gameplay.
My only criticism is the artifacting, but that will not be an issue for long.

@Akuya People interpolate anime and movies, because they are made at 24fps.
That's the only reason there needs to be.
60fps should have been the standard an eternity ago.

@Akuya Smoother motion, and you can see more details in the movement.

@JaniSIr
Not just hollywood cinema i meant TV shows even on a budget they just have a completely different look from soap operas and many British tv shows ive seen because they dont have that atmosphere. My TV has a feature that it can interpolate and when you turn it on it makes films and US tv shows look like soap operas or British shows. So it definitely isn't budget. A lot of cinematographers were really upset TVs having this feature because it ruins their vision of what it should look like. It's really only meant for watching sports.

@JaniSIr


Since you now corrected my mistake, i'll mention again what was ignored


I searched Gemini Man, and i'm still not 100% sold on 4k 60fps, sure it has a lot more detail, but that level of detail can be a double edged sword, specifically i noticed this in a slow motion scene where in the 4k 60fps version it looks like the actors are moving in slow motion on purpose taking the viewer out of the immersion of the movie