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LittleGao said: CookingPriest said: But they adapted that scene where Shirou tells Lancer to stay away from RinIt would be more obvious if they actually adapted scenes of Shirou teasing Rin instead of turning him to a doormat. Which feels strange after 15 episodes of Shirou being clueless and passive about Rin, to the point that most people just attributed that scene to "meh shirou's stupid" Even the graveyard confession felt out of place(which was also edited to remove the teasing and instead just had him blabber about how great Rin is). |
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| The Emiya OST kicked in. It has actually been over a year since I've heard the piece. As such, it has also been over year since I've considered myself a Type-MOON fan, let alone a Fate fan. Well, for this moment, I'll try to be that. |
Shocked said: The Emiya OST kicked in. It has actually been over a year since I've heard the piece. As such, it has also been over year since I've considered myself a Type-MOON fan, let alone a Fate fan. Well, for this moment, I'll try to be that. If I'm not prying too much, what made you stop being a fan anyway? The fanbase ? |
MightyM16 said: Shocked said: The Emiya OST kicked in. It has actually been over a year since I've heard the piece. As such, it has also been over year since I've considered myself a Type-MOON fan, let alone a Fate fan. Well, for this moment, I'll try to be that. If I'm not prying too much, what made you stop being a fan anyway? The fanbase ? Nah, it's just been so long since I've touched anything related to Type-Moon, so I haven't really thought much of it. |
CookingPriest said: Anny555 said: As for the appearance I realize you can look different when you get older but they don't look even remotely alike. My brain can't handle this stuff. First of all there's no grandfather paradox. Parallel worlds make it impossible. Archer looks just like Shirou, just incredibly angry(since he is kind of insane), tanned and with gray hair. Maloghurst said: shirou also doesnt tend to have that shit eating grin that archer has. body language etc etc. He does tho? It would be more obvious if they actually adapted scenes of Shirou teasing Rin instead of turning him to a doormat. Oh there are alternate timelines or something? Eh whatever. |
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Anny555 said: yes..yes there are it's a plot point that comes up as well as multiple stories couldnt take place on the same timeline....Oh there are alternate timelines or something? Eh whatever. |
Maloghurst said: Anny555 said: yes..yes there are it's a plot point that comes up as well as multiple stories couldnt take place on the same timeline....Oh there are alternate timelines or something? Eh whatever. Either my subtitles sucked or I have a really selective memory. |
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Anny555 said: Neither, I'm pretty sure the viewers in Japan were supposed to know that UBW was only one of the three main timelines so the anime didn't say anything about itMaloghurst said: yes..yes there are it's a plot point that comes up as well as multiple stories couldnt take place on the same timeline.... Either my subtitles sucked or I have a really selective memory. Also, the thing about multiple stories not being able to take place in the same timeline is only alluded to in Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai, which take place in the same universe as FSN |
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Anny555 said: ya know what. dont worry about it too much since you're anime only. the UBW anime didnt really deliver too much on the world building of the nasuverse/TYPE-moon so some things might end up frying your brain when something gets refrenced.....with that being said you should watch Kara no KyokaiMaloghurst said: yes..yes there are it's a plot point that comes up as well as multiple stories couldnt take place on the same timeline.... Either my subtitles sucked or I have a really selective memory. though i must remind you the thing about the time space axis that was explained in the anime tells you how a servant from the future got summoned. the multiverse thing in UBW makes things very very simplified. |
MaloghurstOct 5, 2015 8:27 PM
LittleGao said: the viewers in japan got the fate route for free....it's hard being a TM fan outside of JP.Anny555 said: Neither, I'm pretty sure the viewers in Japan were supposed to know that UBW was only one of the three main timelines so the anime didn't say anything about itEither my subtitles sucked or I have a really selective memory. Also, the thing about multiple stories not being able to take place in the same timeline is only alluded to in Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai, which take place in the same universe as FSN he main thing between tsukihime and KnK is that no 2 ppl can have death perception in the same timeline Tsugi no sango dont happen in the same time as Notes. for obvious reasons. Fate/Extra is a whole diff can of worms as well as F/GO as i recall. there is also things such as F/A for the most part the ppl in japan have far better acces to content. but there are still plenty of lost idiots out there...there are stil bitching and crying that Shirou didnt hook up with saber in ubw...... |
Maloghurst said: Anny555 said: ya know what. dont worry about it too much since you're anime only. the UBW anime didnt really deliver too much on the world building of the nasuverse/TYPE-moon so some things might end up frying your brain when something gets refrenced.....with that being said you should watch Kara no KyokaiEither my subtitles sucked or I have a really selective memory. though i must remind you the thing about the time space axis that was explained in the anime tells you how a servant from the future got summoned. the multiverse thing in UBW makes things very very simplified. Yeah. Shirou was supposed to do a small recap about how throne of heroes works(its bigger in fate), which kind of hints at the idea of parallel universes. Knowledge that there's more than one timeline is important to understanding Archer though, as well as the fact that Archer is not the future of this Shirou. |
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| That punch :D But why did he have to die. He was such a bro (╥﹏╥) Archer being Emiya himself was a nice twist. I wonder how Emiya's gonna keep up with Archer in fight. Heard that these last episodes have a ton of action. Really looking forward to more of the amazing ufotable quality animation :) |
Ando- said: just remember that archer is masterless and had just used UBW. servants with low mana are considerably weakened especialy one without a master. Archer at this point is pushing around 10% of his max strength.That punch :D But why did he have to die. He was such a bro (╥﹏╥) Archer being Emiya himself was a nice twist. I wonder how Emiya's gonna keep up with Archer in fight. Heard that these last episodes have a ton of action. Really looking forward to more of the amazing ufotable quality animation :) |
| Sad that Archer was killed for helping people. ;_; |
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| No!! CuBro!! Your death will be avenged! Oh right, Tokiomi... yours too... Good thing Arched decided to explain a little bit better his predicament and the Counter Guardian stuff. I'm glad I could grasp things from the past episode and I actually was kinda in the right track. Emmm, Saber...don't you sense that your master is in danger? Why don't you go save Rin? You can go back and watch the Emiya showdown later jaja |
HDarkmantis said: Good thing Arched decided to explain a little bit better his predicament and the Counter Guardian stuff. I'm glad I could grasp things from the past episode and I actually was kinda in the right track. While the anime portrays it as some sort of" going around picking off badguys with a bow" that's not how it works. A counter guardian does not separate things into good or evil. If there's a conflict that threatens the wellbeing of human race, Counter Guardians are sent to erase everything, like a nuke. Good, bad, innocent, guilty, adults, children - does not matter. Counter Guardians are empowered with enough power to destroy entire nations within seconds, leaving no trace of them even existing. Its the equivalent of combating a finger gangrene by cutting off an entire arm by the shoulder. They have no free will to chose their targets or spare someone. And they certainly don't go around shooting arrows at people - Counter Guardian appearing somewhere usually spells doom for literally everything in few thousand mile radius. What's more, A Counter Guardian is not necessarily a prevention mechanism - its a response to mitigate damage. So they only appear AFTER the disaster strikes and the conflict already spreads. Being forced to massacre millions(most of whom usually dont even have anything to do with what happened and just were in vicinity) and only appearing after the tragedy(thus being unable to stop it) is essentially what drove Archer insane. Emmm, Saber...don't you sense that your master is in danger? Why don't you go save Rin? You can go back and watch the Emiya showdown later jaja They can't exactly sense that. Especially since Saber is not a fullblown servant. And she is far more interested in resolution of the fight, and thus her own conflict, than anything else. She is content in trusting Lancer to do his job and even if he fails, Saber is not beyond sacrificing others to achieve her goals. |
AhenshihaelApr 18, 2016 2:11 AM
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Fai said: HDarkmantis said: Good thing Arched decided to explain a little bit better his predicament and the Counter Guardian stuff. I'm glad I could grasp things from the past episode and I actually was kinda in the right track. While the anime portrays it as some sort of" going around picking off badguys with a bow" that's not how it works. A counter guardian does not separate things into good or evil. If there's a conflict that threatens the wellbeing of human race, Counter Guardians are sent to erase everything, like a nuke. Good, bad, innocent, guilty, adults, children - does not matter. Counter Guardians are empowered with enough power to destroy entire nations within seconds, leaving no trace of them even existing. Its the equivalent of combating a finger gangrene by cutting off an entire arm by the shoulder. They have no free will to chose their targets or spare someone. And they certainly don't go around shooting arrows at people - Counter Guardian appearing somewhere usually spells doom for literally everything in few thousand mile radius. What's more, A Counter Guardian is not necessarily a prevention mechanism - its a response to mitigate damage. So they only appear AFTER the disaster strikes and the conflict already spreads. Being forced to massacre millions(most of whom usually dont even have anything to do with what happened and just were in vicinity) and only appearing after the tragedy(thus being unable to stop it) is essentially what drove Archer insane. Oh, that's interesting. Makes more sense than how the anime made it look. Still, it would drive anyone insane. Fai said: HDarkmantis said: Emmm, Saber...don't you sense that your master is in danger? Why don't you go save Rin? You can go back and watch the Emiya showdown later jaja They can't exactly sense that. Especially since Saber is not a fullblown servant. And she is far more interested in resolution of the fight, and thus her own conflict, than anything else. She is content in trusting Lancer to do his job and even if he fails, Saber is not beyond sacrificing others to achieve her goals. Yeah, but that was just sarcastic xD I was not being serios about it. |
HDarkmantis said: Oh, that's interesting. Makes more sense than how the anime made it look. Still, it would drive anyone insane. Well its worse for ARcher since he took the deal thinking he will be able to gain power to actually fulfill his ideals and even keep fulfilling them after death. Archer never went through actually thinking about what his ideal means beyond what prologue Shirou thought about them. For someone whose whole existence depends on putting everything else above himself, such existence is extremely maddening. To the point that he is willing to put everyone at risk just to kill this Shirou even if: - this shirou is already walking a different path, looking as his ideals differently than Archer did(hence why Shirou says "then we are two entirely different people" to him at the start of the fight) and has no interest in going to the lengths Archer did in his past. - it won't solve anything since even if he somehow erased every single shirou in existence, his self that accepted the deal would still remain since guardians are saved in throne of heroes which exists outside normal reality. Alas anime does not exactly do good job portraying his madness and desperation(Archer is supposed to have quite a few moodswings - shouting in anger, breaking out into laughter, etc - ever since the start of confrontation with Shirou and Saber) - Answer is more about Shirou trying to convince Archer that his life was worth living, than the other way around. Then again Archer is not supposed to tell that much as Shirou is supposed to experience parts of archer's past as they fight(as he hears each line of Archer's chant in his head - Archer is not even supposed to cast his ubw here as he should not be even capable of it right now and Shirou would die in seconds from it- which would defeat the purpose of trying to break him) and most of talking is just them thinking to themselves, beyond some dialogue trying to convince each other - the VN actually switches perspectives displaying same scene in the fight from Archer's and from Shirou's point of view to do that. |
AhenshihaelApr 18, 2016 12:13 PM
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| Again semantics. Your use of word path is inaccurate. Your "Path" is the meaning, while the real use of word path is "meanst o reach something". And ubw shirou is absolutely not walking the same path. That's fate route. And neither Fate Shirou nor Archer would make the decisions UBW Shirou does nor approach them in the same way. Either way this is the wrong thread to discuss that and I have no interest in arguing semantics in the first place. |
AhenshihaelApr 18, 2016 2:38 PM
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| Shinji deserved that punch so much. lol Good seeing old man Tohsaka again, but you know... :D Z Kirei. Nice seeing you again. I want to say "NO! Not Lancer!", but I laughed instead. Unmei no hi! ~Tamashii tai Tamashii~ MC vs MC(No. Tamashii does not mean MC.) |
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| Damn i totally didnt see that reveal coming. I totally love the idea of Archer being Emiya Was this revealed in the saber route, so in the original FSN show as well? I watched that years ago, but if it was i 100% forgot. astroprogs said: Anny555 said: As for the appearance I realize you can look different when you get older but they don't look even remotely alike. They actually do. The tan and the haircut are just throwing you off. Yeah, in one shot they show them in profile facing each other(clever if i think about it now). I think then they really looked very alike. Dont get how i didnt notice that until now. Well, but isnt it kinda true? I think im missing the point here as well. |
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leNerd said: Damn i totally didnt see that reveal coming. I totally love the idea of Archer being Emiya Was this revealed in the saber route, so in the original FSN show as well? I watched that years ago, but if it was i 100% forgot. It was heavily hinted at, but nothing was explicitly revealed. Due to the nature of the Nasuverse (the multi-universe Fate, Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai share) and the Throne of Heroes, Archer is just one possible outcome for Shirou, not an inevitable one. Just because one Shirou chose a path and reached a destination, doesn't mean that every Shirou in every other timeline would do the same. In short, Archer isn't the future version of Shirou. He's the future version of a Shirou who came to curse his ideals and regretted following them. How UBW's Shirou ends up is still in the air and completely dependant on how he decides to live his life from now on. |
astroprogsJul 10, 2016 11:58 AM
leNerd said: astroprogs said: Due to the nature of the Nasuverse (the multi-universe Fate, Tsukihime and Kara no Kyoukai share), Archer is just one possible outcome for Shirou, not an inevitable one. Just because one Shirou chose a path and reached a destination, doesn't mean that every Shirou in every other timeline would do the same. In short, Archer isn't the future version of Shirou. He's the future version of a Shirou who came to curse his ideals and regretted following them. How UBW's Shirou ends up is still in the air and completely dependant on how he decides to live his life from now on. Thanks alot for the explanation, i think now i get it. Damn once my exams are over i need to take the time to finally read the VN Any time :) The VN is a long piece, but truly worth every minute, especially once you reach the Heaven's Feel route. I hope you enjoy it :) |
| Poor Lansjer... What interest had his Master of killing him? Is he going to find another Servant, or something? Wow, fight between Shiro and Archer xD |
Payper said: What interest had his Master of killing him? Is he going to find another Servant, or something? He simply didn't need anymore a disobeying Servant. |
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Payper said: he didnt need a disobedient servant anymore and at this point he's already won. Poor Lansjer... What interest had his Master of killing him? Is he going to find another Servant, or something? Wow, fight between Shiro and Archer xD Rider= dead Caster=dead Assassin=is to be considered dead after losing his master who is caster Berserker=dead Archer= masterless and almost out of mana. he's already dead and is just hanging on through independant action and willpower Lancer=now dead which leaves Saber. you only need 6 servants to be able to use the grail. |
| This is so fucking paradoxical that it hurts to even think of a decent outcome that won't piss me off. |
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| episode of the revelations!!! Possible is the best episode of the series, that i can watched!!! |
| Oh Lancer Deja vu :'( |
JonathaIN said: so this hero is him from the future.. so da fk why would he choose to fight with bullshit medieval weapons like old ass swords and bows and arrows? it's not like he lived in that era. I couldnt believe Emiya was Archer because of the weapons he used but I guess it's just convenient and retarded Lol being a hero from the future does not automatically make you someone who uses highly-advanced guns and nuclear weapons used in warfare. You need to have a history of the tools you have used in the past and Shirou has never wielded a gun or any modern weaponry. |
Dull_LullMar 22, 2017 11:25 AM
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| Lancer always gets them shitty masters, doesn't he? And there goes the best male character :/ Not really a fan of this future Shirou stuff. |
| It was satisfying seeing Shinji being punched. But damn. Lancer being forced to kill himself was too much. It’s always the Lancers that have the most painfull death. It was nice seeing Kirei though. |
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| Great episode! Finally confirms that Archer is Shirou from the future. Even showed how he was transported all over the world to clean up for humanity's mistakes. Damn, didn't know Lancer's master is Kirei. So finally he admits to Rin about what happened to her father. I kinda forgot how much of a fucking snake Kirei is. Goddamn that bastard. WTF, Lancer dying like that, reminds me what happened to the other Lancer in Zero. Man he can't die like that!?!?! :( Next episode, Archer vs Shirou. I love how they even played Shirou's theme towards the end before the preview! |
| Thank you Lancer for punching Shinji like that. Poor Rin, and poor Lancer :/ Really hope Shinji doesn't get his hands on her. Excited to see Archer vs Shirou, though I still think they'll both live and team up to beat Kirei and Gilgamesh |
| Wow amazing-tacular! Best episode yet, it feels like fate/zero and I'm frickin so excited to see what happens next. I also so happy that this show is good |
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| Lancer: Sorry about that I meant to say stop but I punched you instead. Me: Lol wtf? in hes place i would have done the same & then said same sarcastic joke XD |
| Wow that was so epic I had some vague ideas about Archer but it became TRUE Shiro is Archer but with regrets. |
| So more of a dramatic/serious moment EP. Backstories and revelations, all them important bits Aannd another one! Which, btw, was underwhelming on how they finished him off.. #RIPLancer Self vs. self next! |
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| Shinji is what happens when you leave Araragi to long alone with Ougi. Did Lancer commit suicide in his past life so its like fate? lol |
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| In the end future Shirou will end up as Kiritsugu. |
| He who smiles in a crisis has found someone to blame. |
| Oh no, Lancer is dead. That punch lmao. |
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| Damn did not expect lancer to die like that... that means only three servants are left including the right one...don't know whether assassin is around or not though |
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