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Sep 15, 2007 1:38 AM
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Even though it was kinda cheezy, the battle between Ayano and Kazuma was pretty cool. Whlie i still don't like this arc, this episode was good. The kiss that Kazuma gave Ayano was funny. I loved Ayano's reaction. Only 1 episode left, looking forward to it.
Sep 15, 2007 2:06 AM
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Haha...The kiss on the neck was funny...Fight was kind of boring but still entertaining...Final episode looks like it will have a cliff hanger or be rushed...Second season anyone? =P
Sep 15, 2007 3:33 AM
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I was hoping Kazuma would stay evil at least till the last episode. Those black winds and his eyes really looked better than they originally do.
Oh yeah, Nanase was looking great in those black clothes. We really need more of that before the show ends.
Sep 15, 2007 4:09 AM
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How...anti-climatic.
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Good to see the normal Kazuma back. The evil version was cool, but I prefer the personality he has when he's messing with Ayano like that. I thought Nanase could have gotten a better outfit, imho it looked a bit over-the-top just like that pervet's fetish. Looking forward to the final ep.

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Sep 15, 2007 4:13 PM
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kazuma is back..i love this episode..he kiss ayano neck..lol
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I can't believe he said that! "Be ready. I am selfish and I have very strong desires", LMAO. I was expecting the kiss, but not the... implied comment, haha.

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Good to see the normal Kazuma back. The evil version was cool, but I prefer the personality he has when he's messing with Ayano like that.

I agree. I'd kind of forgotten how much I like Kazuma with all this evil him stuff.
Sep 16, 2007 3:30 AM
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any1 knows if there is a Second season?????
Sep 17, 2007 2:33 PM
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I can't believe he said that! "Be ready. I am selfish and I have very strong desires", LMAO. I was expecting the kiss, but not the... implied comment, haha.


me neither, I was like what the f* did he just said xD
I also like his personality when he messes around with ayano
Sep 17, 2007 3:01 PM
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Kazuma is funnier but still has his coolness in his normal self which i think is da best in a character
Sep 18, 2007 2:10 PM

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Finnaly, good kazuma is back.
It was starting to get too clichê.....
Like, there is thousends of storys of main characters going berserk....

Btw, it was only me or did someone else noticed all those fanservices?

It would be funny if he deflected that attack and said something like: WTF! I'm already back!!!

(But then im not sure if would be original)

How...anti-climatic.

xD
Sep 21, 2007 10:33 AM

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yay only 1 ep left, finally, bored myself to death.
Sep 22, 2007 7:16 PM

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Can't wait till the last ep! Hehe...pretty smooth kiss in my honest opinion! ;D
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Sep 23, 2007 4:35 PM

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awesome ep luved the kiss!!!! ^-^
Jun 27, 2008 2:53 AM

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Kazuma's awesome but since episode 1 i have hated Ayano >< eps 23 she is rated unfixable
Hopefully Kazuma useses his contractor ability's next
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Aug 31, 2008 8:03 AM

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on to the last episode ~ hahas . yay ! hms . CUI ling better ^^ hahas. lols ~ no offenc e ><


Aug 31, 2008 8:04 AM

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Kazuma's awesome but since episode 1 i have hated Ayano >< eps 23 she is rated unfixable
Hopefully Kazuma useses his contractor ability's next


hahas . same here ~ i fins that ayano is kinda irritating >< ~ lols ~


Nov 21, 2008 5:17 PM

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hahaha! yay! ayano beat kazuma.. hahaha. and the kiss in the neck and ayano's reaction.. hahaha
May 18, 2009 7:57 AM

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Ayano beat Kazuma. (^_^) That was so cool. I really liked her. And that famous kiss =P
It was sweet (:
Sep 3, 2009 6:41 AM

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Just out of curiousity... they are first cousins... right?

it's this a bit wrong?
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Dec 13, 2009 9:09 AM

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So Kazuma is back to his new old-self now, too bad I kinda liked his red glowing eyes =P

Loved how he dispatched all those Youmas, talk about a bloodbath.
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AirStyles said:
Just out of curiousity... they are first cousins... right?

it's this a bit wrong?

i think it is allowed in japan because in elfen lied two first cousins also kissed
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AirStyles said:
Just out of curiousity... they are first cousins... right?

it's this a bit wrong?


No they are second cousins, still a little disturbing, but not as bad as first cousins.

Aug 25, 2011 8:38 PM
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hahaha! yay! ayano beat kazuma.. hahaha. and the kiss in the neck and ayano's reaction.. hahaha

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Ayano beat Kazuma. (^_^) That was so cool. I really liked her. And that famous kiss =P
It was sweet (:


Are you people for Real, Do you really think she Beat kazuma? You're dumb if you do.

Because he wasn't himself, and such an attack would be deflected by kazuma with ease, besides, Ayano was going all out, Kazuma was just standing there looking at her, And remembering stuff, also, he didn't use the Contractor's power, and notice when he said "What a feeble wind", Because kazuma's original wind would slice ayano's ass, And on top of that, he stood up without a scratch, and he knocked her out with a single kick at the end, so if you think she beat then you're completely mentally challenged.
Sep 7, 2011 8:33 PM
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EXACTLY farkyougal! Man I felt so bad how she felt all powerful and might when she beat him. She was in a pretty strong state, and was really good right then but Kazuma just didnt lose. He could have at least told her how he was in a weak state, not at full power etc. Im not saying ayano (might be wrong about her name havnt watched in a few weeks) was no match just that Kazuma could have bossd her
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farkyougal said:
vearg said:
hahaha! yay! ayano beat kazuma.. hahaha. and the kiss in the neck and ayano's reaction.. hahaha

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Ayano beat Kazuma. (^_^) That was so cool. I really liked her. And that famous kiss =P
It was sweet (:


Are you people for Real, Do you really think she Beat kazuma? You're dumb if you do.

Because he wasn't himself, and such an attack would be deflected by kazuma with ease, besides, Ayano was going all out, Kazuma was just standing there looking at her, And remembering stuff, also, he didn't use the Contractor's power, and notice when he said "What a feeble wind", Because kazuma's original wind would slice ayano's ass, And on top of that, he stood up without a scratch, and he knocked her out with a single kick at the end, so if you think she beat then you're completely mentally challenged.
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Nov 1, 2011 1:12 PM
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Why was he even mad again? Technically was he even evil considering he was going after a bad guy who was manipulating people and doing black magic? I mean is it so bad to kill a dude that EVERYONE hates? And you'd think Ayano would be more worried about her friends...still kinda like wtf about that fat guy making her his slave. It was like a hentai doujin or some shit.
May 6, 2012 6:25 AM

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Kazuma is finally back to the way he was. ^^
May 20, 2012 10:03 AM

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Why was he even mad again? Technically was he even evil considering he was going after a bad guy who was manipulating people and doing black magic? I mean is it so bad to kill a dude that EVERYONE hates? And you'd think Ayano would be more worried about her friends...still kinda like wtf about that fat guy making her his slave. It was like a hentai doujin or some shit.
The problem isn't only that he want to kill the bad guy, but his utter disregard for anybody else. Ever since the beginning facing the Wind demon he wanted to protect everybody, how survival was more important than anything else. To forsake all that for some vengeance kill was pretty much a 180 douchebag turn around. I agree though. Kazuma spared him once, and look how this dude turned up? Better to correct your mistake and just kill him this time around. But this is a naive/noble anime so I'm not expecting anything else.

As for why he got mad, I think it was the mindscrew of seeing his lover cloned and seeing his old enemy or something. Either way, I thought this was pretty stupid as well. Well, we can all put the blame on human irrationality but it's a pretty shitty reason in terms of plot.

Anyways, I'm glad he manage to remember who he is before Ayano manage the final hit. It seems he still have that cool quality again.

But this last arc really was pretty bad. Oh well, I'll rate it after the last episode.
Jun 22, 2012 10:37 PM

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meh he wasn't even trying really. I liked him as a badass better. Ayano is still a clueless idiot and didn't even know how she "won".

I don't like them much as a couple.
Sep 10, 2012 5:36 PM

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Yay, time for the last episode! Needs more Kazuma x Ayano!

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Oct 5, 2012 8:35 PM
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meh he wasn't even trying really. I liked him as a badass better. Ayano is still a clueless idiot and didn't even know how she "won".

I don't like them much as a couple.


I agree. They are a pretty crappy couple.


Jun 6, 2013 8:20 AM
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It's been confirmed! Kazuma's father is an arrogant asshole.
The fight was horrible and cheesy (so much frigging INTERNAL MONOLOGUES) but that's shounen for you.
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was it a kiss on the neck, it was almost vampireish... still the whole cousin thing seems to be a mute point nowadays (even her own dad wanted them to make a mistake complete with tissues and waste paper basket).

i mean even if they thought they were brother and sister, yes i'm looking at you SAO... yeah... cousins... doesn't matter if 1st or 2nd cousins.. it's still wrong and it's still family. !
Jan 6, 2014 9:53 AM

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The only reason Ayano "beat" Kazuma is because evil black wind Kazuma = weak Kazuma they both realized that (she was pissed off because she "could see the limit of his power" and when he snapped out he said "what's up with this feeble wind").

I'm glad that Ayano was able to convince Kazuma's dad to back off because he'd most likely kill his son that night.

Looking back at first episodes you actually see how Kazuma was still kind of like he was in the past 3 episodes. Ayano and Ren changed him into a better person, one who was able to put his past behind him (for the most part) and even hang out with his family again including his father (that particular relationship is certainly... unique, but by no means as hostile as in the episode he sent his dad to the hospital).
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ok he is back. nice fight Ayano
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Just out of curiousity... they are first cousins... right?

it's this a bit wrong?

Nothing wrong in japan lol

May 31, 2015 4:52 PM

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Good that Kazuma is back. Nice fight between Ayano and him. The kiss and especially Ayanos reaction was cute :D

Only one episode left, this goes to fast :-/

Oct 6, 2015 6:38 AM

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yay only 1 ep left, finally, bored myself to death.


agree. This show is terrible. I waited years to finally see this anime and i won't drop it now
May 26, 2016 11:02 AM
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AirStyles said:
Just out of curiousity... they are first cousins... right?

it's this a bit wrong?
so no, Kasumas father is Ayanos cousin, which i still think is weird, but it is a thing thats done
Jun 18, 2016 3:58 PM

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lol dead serious does anyone take the retard who wasted his time writing a review about why he thinks this is 1/10?
May 4, 2017 11:56 AM

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Well I was expecting his defeat... Kazuma was actually weaker in this "Badass" form because he used only muscles (power) and no brain at all (strategy & techniques). Think about it, if it was like that, why didn't he use this "Grim reaper" mode in the earlier episodes to kill that giant turtle and the other youma, but he had to resort to his Contractor power? Just because his power is actually stronger when he is sane and actually using his brain than just using raw power.
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what nonsense.

no way he should be weaker just because he is angry, he was able to casually get behind her once.. then apparently forgot he could move like that.
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That so called 'battle' was so ridiculous I thought I'd die of laughter. A snotty arrogant bitch getting a drop on a wicked battle-hardened contractor who's been called a power monster repeatedly? Yeah, right. Even most cliched run-of-the-mill shounen powerups are better that this.
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So, Kazuma is good again.

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That so called 'battle' was so ridiculous I thought I'd die of laughter. A snotty arrogant bitch getting a drop on a wicked battle-hardened contractor who's been called a power monster repeatedly? Yeah, right. Even most cliched run-of-the-mill shounen powerups are better that this.


I'm not sure how people fail to follow this, but Kazuma effectively lost his contract and most of the power that came with it in his "dark" form. When he came to his senses, he was immediately immune to Ayano's attacks. You can see a similar parallel early on in the series when Kazuma reveals to Kureha how much weaker she is with Zenon's dark magic than her natural Earth powers.

Without contractor powers, Kazuma is actually relatively weak. His dad (who is weaker than Ayano's dad in his prime), would curb-stomp him, and the LN made it clear both his and her parents believed Ayano would eventually surpass them (Genma and Juugo), but she lacked the discipline to fully wield the Crimson Flame.

Expecting Dark Kazuma to defeat the Crimson Flame is a pretty bizarre misunderstanding of the series, TBH.
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I was hoping for him to stay evil litterally when he started going back i stopped the episode
because really
i like when the main character was evil he was cool and i wanted to see more of that but when they took it away
im not even going to watch the final episode because its going to suck
Mar 23, 2020 2:28 AM

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Cheesy and cliched arc. Dark Kazuma was better than light Kazuma. Why are they opposing him anyway?

This last arc has brought the show down. Now I'm just looking forward to seeing Ayano's friends in sexy outfits next episode hopefully.
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I wish Kazuma stayed badass, its not like he was doing anything bad anyways :(

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Boy, I think the writing of this arc is pretty weak. Which is a real shame, because I really like Kazuma's backstory and think an arc where he returns to the dark place he was after his girlfriend was murdered is really compelling. He's already shown to be pretty powerful, so an arc where he abandons his morals and goes crazy with vengeance could be intense and provide interesting tension between Kazuma and the rest of the cast. However, in execution this arc just falls really flat. I think what made this arc so unsatisfying, is that it's pretty difficult to identify with anyone other than Kazuma.

The show tries to draw tension from the fact that Kazuma is now acting malevolently and the heroes of Ayano and Ren need to find a way to stop him before he gets taken out by his father for his "crimes". However, it is never clearly explained why exactly Kazuma needs to be stopped. Is it because he's fighting evil magic users in the same way he has the whole show, just a little more violently? He isn't killing anyone, and it's not like fighting has been seen as immoral or a crime before, so the sudden pivot to try and portray this as wrong is feels pretty hypocritical coming from the main cast. Even more, the actions of the rest of the characters all seem to support Kazuma's actions rather than condemn them.

An example of this is at the end of the arc where all the seeds are fighting in central park. Despite knowing hours if not days in advance the time and place where all the seeds are going to arrive and fight, and that the seeds are simply random people who got possessed by demons, the police and the heroes do nothing to help them or even stop them from fighting. The detective literally says that it's easier for them if they all fight among themselves. That you're supposed to believe the heroes claim the moral high ground over Kazuma when this is their reaction is pretty laughable, especially when it is shown that the cleansing fire can be used to remove the demons from these random teenagers.

A similar example is when the heroes keep talking about how Kazuma needs to be stopped from killing Bernhardt. Not only did Bernhardt assist in murdering Kazuma's girlfriend and then create a living doll out her corpse and memories, but he is directly responsible for getting all these teenagers possessed by demons, which they will inevitably die from if left untreated. Now if the heroes were simply against the act of killing due to a strict moral compass, I can believe that view and maybe even empathize with it, but this is clearly not the case when up until Ayano intervenes, the working plan is to KILL Kazuma. Kazuma who has yet to actually kill anyone, and isn't an obvious threat to anyone not actively trying to stop him from killing Bernhardt, is going to be killed with the approval of the police instead of the man actively terrorizing Tokyo.

There is just so much conflicting logic in this arc, that by the end I would have been totally ok with Kazuma mercilessly beating Ayano in their fight, because I was just so sick of how the heroes were stopping him seemingly just to make his life more miserable. If it had even just been made clear that what Kazuma was doing was self-destructive that would have been enough for me to believe he should be stopped, but when the internal logic of the show exists just to make him look worse and Ayano look better I can't help but want to see him wipe the floor with the heroes and then go and kill Bernhardt. Just a sloppy and poorly written arc that had a lot of potential.
Jun 3, 2022 8:58 AM

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Ayano successfully used talk no jutsu.

So is the kiss on the neck him acknowledging his feelings for her? Seems way more sexual than anything.

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