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GodlyKyon said: This episode had only 1 second of fanservice.. the only scene that I could even consider fan service was Karen and Tsukihi sleeping together, which lasted perhaps LESS than 1 second.(it flashed right by my eyes like a racing car, I didn't even remember how it looked after). Have your opinion Once again, you must not be able to count or you're views are completely flawed when it comes to discerning what is fanservice and what is not. I guess half naked prepubescent vampires and compromising camera angles aren't considered fanservice in your head. I'm sorry to have even brought it up with you since you obviously are oblivious to it. |
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| "Be gentle with me." *dies* A bit anticlimactic but still awesome. So where's the toothbrush scene y'all were talking about? |
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| Concerning where and when they did it, its prolly safe to assume they did do it, and if they did it doesn't really matter where, many have guessed Hitagi's place, they could have gone to a hotel for all we know (not saying its a bad guess, just that what they did over where they did is what matters). As for the whole virginity and attempted rapist thing, if you rewatch Bakemonogatari (i think episode 3, the start of Hachikuji arc) its confirmed that Senjougahara is a virgin, its in the scene where she is making fun of him for being one, and when he tries to lie and says he isn't she says she doesn't want to affiliate with someone who uses prostitutes, so after a few gags they both admit they are virgins. Also during that whole date in the woods she confirms that she was never kissed (till Araragi) so Senjougaharas first time, first kiss, and first boyfriend were all with Araragi. As for Kaiki, i would call it a crush at best, its exactly as she said that she was a in weak state so anyone who helped her was a knight in shining armor, and since he was the first and she was never swindled before she might have developed a form of admiration, i think its safe to say she hates him now so no creepy relationships there. Just like Araragi has given up any chance to get with anyone else (Hanekawa would be the best bet, but considering the ending of the episode it would be reaching) Senjougahara also ain't getting with anyone else. I think she said it during Kanbaru's arc that she never broke up with a man (never had a boyfriend) so she doesn't intend to break up with Araragi. Lastly its been minor on this forum, not like the craziness that occurred during the Shinobu bath episode; but the fanservice really isn't that bad, people will have there different tastes but can anyone who has seen any harem anime honestly say this has a lot of fanservice; granted this isn't a harem anime (it has hints, but generally it is not) but the fanservice aspect of it isn't even comparable, what drives this show is dialogue not fanservice, so a few camera angels or little scenes like the sisters sleeping like that are nothing. |
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| that fight scene was goooood, i didn't really understand all of the accusations, and all that about imposters and stuff, way to confusing :S |
| Why on earth don'tt they just kiss already?! Would be about time they did something! "Be gentle with me" so you're gonna have sex before you've even kissed, or was she talking about washing her hair or something? |
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Sebulon said: Why on earth don'tt they just kiss already?! Would be about time they did something! "Be gentle with me" so you're gonna have sex before you've even kissed, or was she talking about washing her hair or something? They kissed in Bakemonogatari episode 12 |
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| Araragi got owned, Karen beat him up good haha. The bit with Shinobu was funny, I love her to bits! 'You can stroke my breasts.' hahaha. Longggg talk with Kaiki, but I love Senjougahara so I'm not complaining. Her voice is so sexy, whenever she talks I pretend its me talking! So I guess she had sex with Araragi? Cute. Karen Bee is finished, I wonder what happens next? I want to see more of the other girls and definitely Shinobu! |
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InfiniteDestiny said: Why can't I remember! O__OSebulon said: Why on earth don'tt they just kiss already?! Would be about time they did something! "Be gentle with me" so you're gonna have sex before you've even kissed, or was she talking about washing her hair or something? They kissed in Bakemonogatari episode 12 |
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McRib said: GodlyKyon said: This episode had only 1 second of fanservice.. the only scene that I could even consider fan service was Karen and Tsukihi sleeping together, which lasted perhaps LESS than 1 second.(it flashed right by my eyes like a racing car, I didn't even remember how it looked after). Have your opinion Once again, you must not be able to count or you're views are completely flawed when it comes to discerning what is fanservice and what is not. I guess half naked prepubescent vampires and compromising camera angles aren't considered fanservice in your head. I'm sorry to have even brought it up with you since you obviously are oblivious to it. Ni sou ni wo sou wo de. I see... Even including Shinobu it would have been less than 5 seconds in total, the impression wasn't that long lasting either way. Whatever, I don't dislike fanservice in a such talkative anime, either way it's fine to me. IT DOESN'T MATTER Shinobu is cute Senjougahara Hitagi is an awesome MH the cast in the show is overall awesome, fanservice is good. show is great. I do miss soem fo the copy pasted images though |
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McRib said: GodlyKyon said: This episode had only 1 second of fanservice.. the only scene that I could even consider fan service was Karen and Tsukihi sleeping together, which lasted perhaps LESS than 1 second.(it flashed right by my eyes like a racing car, I didn't even remember how it looked after). Have your opinion Once again, you must not be able to count or you're views are completely flawed when it comes to discerning what is fanservice and what is not. I guess half naked prepubescent vampires and compromising camera angles aren't considered fanservice in your head. I'm sorry to have even brought it up with you since you obviously are oblivious to it. Ni sou ni wo sou wo de. I see... Even including Shinobu it would have been less than 5 seconds in total, the impression wasn't that long lasting either way. Whatever, I don't dislike fanservice in a such talkative anime, either way it's fine to me. IT DOESN'T MATTER Shinobu is cute Senjougahara Hitagi is an awesome MH the cast in the show is overall awesome, fanservice is good. show is great. I do miss soem fo the copy pasted images though |
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| It took more than 7 episodes to finish this arc? Seriously. I don't think this is the last time we will see Kaiki. This series just had the "antagonist" appear... now he leaves town without batting an eye? He will be back for sure probably. Now Tsukihi will start! Finally. The real fire sister. Since she is the phoenix. Can't wait to see her oddity. |
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| Epic ep is epic, the over exaggerated fight was a visual treat, also Shinobu was completely trolling Koyomi when she spoked to him....SO AWESOME~ I was really interested when it was revealed that Kaiki had only played on a fake supernatural disease, an imposter using a fake technique... And...I cannot understand why people have a problem with the fanservice this ep, there were 2 pure fanservice scenes, one was shown for 1 second and the other was after all business had been settled so I can't see how it detracted from the story... Anywho, Can't wait for the next ep, I really want to see just how Hanekawa has such a powerful hold over Hitagi |
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biggy_boy said: JayCee122 said: im sorta sad about the fact that kaiki didnt get punched or kicked or just generaly pwned, but besides that; another good episode Gahara wouldn't want Araragi beating up on her crush. Slut. Looks like Kaiki's strategy is working! Even if it seems like he admit defeat his secret plan was to ruin Hitagi's reputation all along by questioning her virginity (and it's super effective) ! Joking aside I have to shake my head about all the discussion concerning her virginity and the implied sex scene. So what if she did it with Koyomi, would it change anything about your perspective on her? Also, girls are already considered sluts just by the mere possibility that she might have had a crush on someone else beside the male MC in her past? Wow, I'm at a loss of words right now. |
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Sebulon said: InfiniteDestiny said: Why can't I remember! O__OSebulon said: Why on earth don'tt they just kiss already?! Would be about time they did something! "Be gentle with me" so you're gonna have sex before you've even kissed, or was she talking about washing her hair or something? They kissed in Bakemonogatari episode 12 They don't actual show it, but its even more implied than the sex in this episode, since she actual asks Araragi to kiss her after saying she was never kissed before. Lestrade said: biggy_boy said: JayCee122 said: im sorta sad about the fact that kaiki didnt get punched or kicked or just generaly pwned, but besides that; another good episode Gahara wouldn't want Araragi beating up on her crush. Slut. Looks like Kaiki's strategy is working! Even if it seems like he admit defeat his secret plan was to ruin Hitagi's reputation all along by questioning her virginity (and it's super effective) ! Joking aside I have to shake my head about all the discussion concerning her virginity and the implied sex scene. So what if she did it with Koyomi, would it change anything about your perspective on her? Also, girls are already considered sluts just by the mere possibility that she might have had a crush on someone else beside the male MC in her past? Wow, I'm at a loss of words right now. Second this, like i said before it wasn't even really a crush, it was more like admiration for the first person who offered to help her, and even if it was a crush, its not like she did anything with him, she never even kissed anyone aside from Araragi so how is she a slut? Anything she has ever done whether sex or w/e has been with Araragi... i don't understand your way of thinking at all. it think its safe to say she even hates him now, so your logic is seriously broken; if it wasn't for Araragi Kaiki would be dead now, so if anything it was Araragi who wanted to let Kaiki go, not Senjougahara. |
InfiniteDestinyFeb 19, 2012 12:34 PM
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InfiniteDestiny said: Second this, like i said before it wasn't even really a crush, it was more like admiration for the first person who offered to help her, and even if it was a crush, its not like she did anything with him, she never even kissed anyone aside from Araragi so how is she a slut? Anything she has ever done whether sex or w/e has been with Araragi... i don't understand your way of thinking at all. it think its safe to say she even hates him now, so your logic is seriously broken; if it wasn't for Araragi Kaiki would be dead now, so if anything it was Araragi who wanted to let Kaiki go, not Senjougahara. Don't even bother, just a troll. (Go to /a/, everyone is spam calling her a slut) |
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Yumekichi11 said: So shifting from the whole sex debate of how to why. The why has everything to do as to why I realized just now how amazing of a deep character he has. -For one Kaiki was directly response in giving mild suggestive thoughts as to give up upon Hitagi’s past. Essentially I knew she was fuzed around that incident. But Kaiki seeing he has a tremendous understanding of how the brain works through his mastery of Instantaneous Hypnotism. Only true masters can do that if they understand how to put the the brain in that state on the spur of the moment. That being said if it was not for Kaiki Hitagi would never be mentally ready for sex. It was Kaiki who opened up her brain to sex whereas before it was afraid of it. Yumekichi11 said: So my conclusion is that if it was not For Kaiki Hitagi might have never had sex in her life due to the extreme trauma of that attempted rape incident. THANK YOU KAIKI! I LOVE YOU! Despite him being creepy and all. So Hitagi did have sex on that night because I realized that her trauma needed totally erasure right away before what Kaiki said to her goes away. It was a temporal brain alternate. Who knows how long it would be effective. I'm absolutely baffled how are you able to write down these endless paragraphs of analysis of why and how did Senjougahara have sex, without the realization of your utter stupidity and just how pathetic you are stopping you from sharing these facts with the rest of the world (or at least with this thread of similar but lesser idiots). Really? You seriously thought such an indepth analysis was necessary and gravely needed? Are you 12? Who gives two shit, this episode was about so much more. Maybe you should be watching Highschool DxD instead. Please go back to your den and keep fapping to your cartoon wives in quiet. |
rishardew said: brinan said: From what fansub is this screenshot? The fansub I usually get the episode from made a crappy job on that scene That's Commie. |
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Kvakond said: Yumekichi11 said: So shifting from the whole sex debate of how to why. The why has everything to do as to why I realized just now how amazing of a deep character he has. -For one Kaiki was directly response in giving mild suggestive thoughts as to give up upon Hitagi’s past. Essentially I knew she was fuzed around that incident. But Kaiki seeing he has a tremendous understanding of how the brain works through his mastery of Instantaneous Hypnotism. Only true masters can do that if they understand how to put the the brain in that state on the spur of the moment. That being said if it was not for Kaiki Hitagi would never be mentally ready for sex. It was Kaiki who opened up her brain to sex whereas before it was afraid of it. Yumekichi11 said: So my conclusion is that if it was not For Kaiki Hitagi might have never had sex in her life due to the extreme trauma of that attempted rape incident. THANK YOU KAIKI! I LOVE YOU! Despite him being creepy and all. So Hitagi did have sex on that night because I realized that her trauma needed totally erasure right away before what Kaiki said to her goes away. It was a temporal brain alternate. Who knows how long it would be effective. I'm absolutely baffled how are you able to write down these endless paragraphs of analysis of why and how did Senjougahara have sex, without the realization of your utter stupidity and just how pathetic you are stopping you from sharing these facts with the rest of the world (or at least with this thread of similar but lesser idiots). Really? You seriously thought such an indepth analysis was necessary and gravely needed? Are you 12? Who gives two shit, this episode was about so much more. Maybe you should be watching Highschool DxD instead. Please go back to your den and keep fapping to your cartoon wives in quiet. I agree , seriosly people why are you so concerned about Araragi and Gahara having sex I didn't notice that that is the main plot of the series ,go read some Bakemonogatari hentai doujins if you're interesten in that ,and how do some people think that Gahara is a slut she's first boyfrend is araragi and she even never kissed anyone before him. |
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| Extremely boring episode culminating in a disappointing and virtually pointless arc ending (i.e. nothing happened and we're back to square one). Still it was kinda enjoyable as always. The charm that Bakemono had has vanished since a long time though and the episodes are far slower and uneventful (I didn't even believe it would be possible) than in the first season. |
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| Karen vs. Koyomi. Street Fighter elements. Spinning Bird Kick and the bloody face after a loss. |
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| Love the episode and love the whole series. Man everything is epic story, music, voicing and damn so much colour *drools*. I kinda wished for Kaiki to get beat up though oh well... I also wants to say congratulations to Hitagi and Koyomi. |
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Kvakond said: To reply nicely I am a big shipper of them so that's it as to why. Notice also there was not any sexual tone stressing. It was points about Kaiki and some realizations from his mental perspective. Yumekichi11 said: So shifting from the whole sex debate of how to why. The why has everything to do as to why I realized just now how amazing of a deep character he has. -For one Kaiki was directly response in giving mild suggestive thoughts as to give up upon Hitagi’s past. Essentially I knew she was fuzed around that incident. But Kaiki seeing he has a tremendous understanding of how the brain works through his mastery of Instantaneous Hypnotism. Only true masters can do that if they understand how to put the the brain in that state on the spur of the moment. That being said if it was not for Kaiki Hitagi would never be mentally ready for sex. It was Kaiki who opened up her brain to sex whereas before it was afraid of it. Yumekichi11 said: So my conclusion is that if it was not For Kaiki Hitagi might have never had sex in her life due to the extreme trauma of that attempted rape incident. THANK YOU KAIKI! I LOVE YOU! Despite him being creepy and all. So Hitagi did have sex on that night because I realized that her trauma needed totally erasure right away before what Kaiki said to her goes away. It was a temporal brain alternate. Who knows how long it would be effective. I'm absolutely baffled how are you able to write down these endless paragraphs of analysis of why and how did Senjougahara have sex, without the realization of your utter stupidity and just how pathetic you are stopping you from sharing these facts with the rest of the world (or at least with this thread of similar but lesser idiots). Really? You seriously thought such an indepth analysis was necessary and gravely needed? Are you 12? Who gives two shit, this episode was about so much more. Maybe you should be watching Highschool DxD instead. Please go back to your den and keep fapping to your cartoon wives in quiet. You are taking it badly or something or plain overreacting personally towards me. BTW I do watch DxD so? Black_Wolf_90 said: No, the main plot of this writing is about Kaiki and what he did for Hitagi, not having realized that for the most I did and mention it. Something wrong?Kvakond said: Yumekichi11 said: So shifting from the whole sex debate of how to why. The why has everything to do as to why I realized just now how amazing of a deep character he has. -For one Kaiki was directly response in giving mild suggestive thoughts as to give up upon Hitagi’s past. Essentially I knew she was fuzed around that incident. But Kaiki seeing he has a tremendous understanding of how the brain works through his mastery of Instantaneous Hypnotism. Only true masters can do that if they understand how to put the the brain in that state on the spur of the moment. That being said if it was not for Kaiki Hitagi would never be mentally ready for sex. It was Kaiki who opened up her brain to sex whereas before it was afraid of it. Yumekichi11 said: So my conclusion is that if it was not For Kaiki Hitagi might have never had sex in her life due to the extreme trauma of that attempted rape incident. THANK YOU KAIKI! I LOVE YOU! Despite him being creepy and all. So Hitagi did have sex on that night because I realized that her trauma needed totally erasure right away before what Kaiki said to her goes away. It was a temporal brain alternate. Who knows how long it would be effective. I'm absolutely baffled how are you able to write down these endless paragraphs of analysis of why and how did Senjougahara have sex, without the realization of your utter stupidity and just how pathetic you are stopping you from sharing these facts with the rest of the world (or at least with this thread of similar but lesser idiots). Really? You seriously thought such an indepth analysis was necessary and gravely needed? Are you 12? Who gives two shit, this episode was about so much more. Maybe you should be watching Highschool DxD instead. Please go back to your den and keep fapping to your cartoon wives in quiet. I agree , seriosly people why are you so concerned about Araragi and Gahara having sex I didn't notice that that is the main plot of the series ,go read some Bakemonogatari hentai doujins if you're interesten in that ,and how do some people think that Gahara is a slut she's first boyfrend is araragi and she even never kissed anyone before him. |
| Didn't he have his first time with Kanbaru? |
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| Wow, the fight scene at the beginning was actually surprisingly enjoyable, kudos for that. And heck, even the dialogue was actually pretty straightforward at most parts and without too much beating around the bush (in BakeNisemonogatari terms, that is). First Nisemonogatari episode that actually merits an honest 5/5 from me. Oh and I almost forgot, I mean comn:  |
CrouchezFeb 19, 2012 6:39 PM
rishardew said: mdz said: rishardew said: brinan said: From what fansub is this screenshot? The fansub I usually get the episode from made a crappy job on that scene That's Commie. Thanks It is indeed - didn't see the post sorry! |
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| Nice end for the Karen Bee Arc. I liked the fight (if we can call that a person being hitted so many times) between Araragi and Karen. While Araragi was "playing" with Senjougahara his sisters played with each other xD |
biggy_boy said: the fu-?JayCee122 said: im sorta sad about the fact that kaiki didnt get punched or kicked or just generaly pwned, but besides that; another good episode Gahara wouldn't want Araragi beating up on her crush. Slut. |
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| karen kicking koyomi's ass was EPIC, followed by the touching sibling moment :) then kaiki's mind / dialogue battle with senjougahara and koyomi was unusually intense senjougahara on koyomi afterwards... ;) and then the naked fire sisters were an AWESOME treat |
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| And so we close the Karen Bee Arc - and Now look forward to the Tsukihi Phoenix arc, But I love Karen especially in later arcs.. the incest comment reminded me of Kanbarus worry over it in the future lmao. I really hope they continue to animate the novels.. And I realyldo detest Kaiki.. wakka9ca said: And nope, this is not the last time we will hear from our brilliant con man mastermind... He never seems to go away - and he shows direct or indirect (more direct) malice towards everyone |
sirwenceFeb 19, 2012 10:53 PM
Yumekichi11 said: Last scene of episode 2.. Remember? xDGodlyKyon said: Impossible, how?Didn't he have his first time with Kanbaru? |
iNinjaMan said: Yeah I checked, it's possible but there is nothing that does prove she put his thing in her privates and lost innocence in the process. Less the LN has it or some other source I say BRING IT ON! I think she never went all the way. Yumekichi11 said: Last scene of episode 2.. Remember? xDGodlyKyon said: Impossible, how?Didn't he have his first time with Kanbaru? I don't know but I think she has some respect for Hitagi whom she considers as close as a lover and that is why I think it went like that. |
Yumekichi11 said: mrghost_00 said: I was thinking the same thing but I am not sure as they should have showed Hitagi getting out of his place. One can assume only that he spent time outside and did it with Hitagi or her place although that would have to mean her parents were out.So... Senjogahara and Koyomi had sex? I thought it was pretty obvious from that last bit of dialogue before they cut off to the next day. IMO they probably did it where they last left off and Araragi came home late thus why he was tired in the morning either that or he had too much of it and was exhausted from it. That's all I concluded if that was implied. I presume the LN people can tell us more of that part? Eh, it was super implied at the end of this episode and at the end of the last episode as well. Edit: Rewatched the end of episode 6. It seems I assumed that it was night-time when they were talking and were meeting Kaiki the next day. (hence him arriving in the morning at his house the next morning) |
outlawauronFeb 20, 2012 12:39 AM
Yumekichi11 said: I don't know but I think she has some respect for Hitagi whom she considers as close as a lover and that is why I think it went like that. No... at best Kanbaru shoved something up there (more likly due to her "manly" personality and the "girly" role Koyomi had at that time) or he just "stimulate" him a little to much. Either case is doubtful he lost it to her since Kanbaru respect/fears Hitagi way more than what she love/desire Koyomi. |
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| Not the battle I expected between Araragi and Karen. I thought he would be facing off with Kaiki. Nice end to the Arc, it seem to be. |
| Little question about Senjougahara, in the preview, did not she her hair short? Why she still have long hair? Short hair is for the next arc ? Otherwise, that was a fucking good épisode. Shinobu is in = fucking good épisode :D |
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biggy_boy said: She obviously still had feelings for Kaiki. Why else would she keep their past relationship a secret from Araragi? Also, she only has sex with Araragi to placate him as she can sense his suspicions her loving Kaiki, so she throws sex at him to ease his mind, while she still thinks about Kaiki. Wow.. You're making me think more than I should be about this.. |
biggy_boy said: She obviously still had feelings for Kaiki. No she doesn't... she hates his guts because she had feelings for him. But is different since she thought of him as a savior. Like how people love/work-ship deities and stuff like that. biggy_boy said: Why else would she keep their past relationship a secret from Araragi? She was ashamed of herself. She showed her weakest side to him just to be betrayed. She always acts strong in front of Araragi. She doesn't want him to see her as a weak person or have pity for her. biggy_boy said: Also, she only has sex with Araragi to placate him as she can sense his suspicions her loving Kaiki, so she throws sex at him to ease his mind, while she still thinks about Kaiki. She meant to have sex with him since episode 12 of bake. But she couldn't do it since her trauma would't allow her to just yet (she offers him a kiss and apologies for that all she could do at that time). She has sex not because she believe their are ready as a couple but because is the last step to overcome everything that happened to her in the past. Their relationship is really weird, but at the same time very realistic taking into consideration their age. They keep tons of things from each other and think in a very selfish way. But they do (think) they are in love with each other. |
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| I know Araragi wasn't going to fight Karen, but really, will he ever fight anyone? Does a male opponent have to come along in order for him to actually prove active in a scrap? I could support Senjougahara in a crush on Kaiki 100% - perfectly justified. ; ) It seems he's now left however. :( I'm guessing the plot will shift onto the younger sister now? |
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