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| What a BS ending.... Meh.... And they haven't even put effort to prevent Johan from escaping. No bars in windows, no guards (in a fucking police hospital) where they keep a main suspect of a mass chain serial killings. Overall very good series - 8/10 |
twonlineAug 12, 2012 1:45 AM
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 great show but I rushed it.My favorite characters were Lunge,Tenma, Grimmer, and Anna |
| Well that's a wrap. It was definitely a wonderful ride. Tenma saved Johan because he thought all lives were equal. Johan throughout the show proved to Tenma that in fact, not all lives are equal. Tenma accepted this fact, until he once again saved Johan. Now Johan learns that perhaps, all lives are equal. And at the end, I'm guessing the mother made the 'right' choice because Nina begged at the last minute, so she should've known that was Nina. Now the question is, did she 'save' Johan because she knew he had the potential to become the monster, or simply because she deemed Johan to be the twin who's worth saving. I guess I feel compelled to give it a 10. I hope Johan went and become Hitler or something; his character and talent would be wasted elsewhere. But then again, to 'geniuses' like him, all is for naught. The best action is no action because at the end of your days, 'who cares'. |
KurogashiSep 23, 2012 6:11 PM
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| Quite the unexpected ending for me. I had imagined that it would end in a dramatic standoff betweenTenma and Johan with tenma pointing a gun and Johan taunting him with his dark philosophies. I never imagined the last episode would be so calm and egnimatic. However upon further analysis I believe that the ending was just pure genius. The "monster" Johan was not slayn nor was he converted by tenma's ethics, he simply went on being a monster. Johan will continue to cause pain, suffering, and death. Peopel will weep. People will mourn. People will scream. People will die. The ending is not naive, monsters exist, and they always will exist along with the suffering of humanity. I also appreciated tenma's genuine love of people till the very end. Tenma brought the monster back once again, despite the pain and suffering that Johan will no doubt cause in the future. Somebody said a quite a couple episodes back "Do you know what can kill a monster? A bigger monster."(probably not an accurate quote). Because tenma was not a monster, he could not kill Johan, only save him. Tenma can only bring hope, joy, and happiness to people, he cannot take a life. In my opinion, Johans dark philosophies and Tenma's optimistic beliefs were dueling till end, and will continue to duel until eternity. There was no judgment made regarding on what is the truth of the world, instead perceptions of the world are presented elegently through the actions of Tenma and Johan and their legacies. |
| A very god series however the ending to that scared the crap out of me... But seriously all that dark depressing atmosphere throughout and yet able to still end on a rather positive note, loved the series. |
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| Didn't expect that little twist at the end. A real mood whiplash at that. Overall, I loved how just about every character was developed and this episode was a great way to wrap things up. |
| for the curious, tvtropes says that's what happens to Johann after the finale whatever that means. Nothing good I presume. anyway 10/10 and to favourites. and rewatching.Because I can |
| That last scene with Johan and Tenma scared the crap out of me. It also pointed out the true start of Johan's decent into whatever you want to call it... Madness? Depression? When your own mother does something like that to you then who can you really believe in? I have to wonder what they would have done if Johan woke up and didn't run away. Throw him jail to await the death sentence? That would be counter productive. Maybe he would get sent to the loony bin, although with his track record he might have caused another Kinderheim uprising amongst the patients, so solitary confinement? Anywho, 9/10 and definitely one of the best anime out there. |
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| Final episode thoughts: About Episode: So looks like everyone has returned their spots. Like Tenma has got back his job as doctor and his is no more suspect anymore. Dieter is doing fine and want's to become best football player. Nina graduated from the school and wants to become lawyer. Detective Suk and Lunge were having nice discussion in Grimmer's funeral. And looks like Lunge is no more detective he is now professor. Eva hasn't drink any alcohol anymore and is dong fine too. She also got new job to be kitchen designer. Dr. Reichnwien is doing also same stuff worrying about his patients in the clinic. Karl is reading to his father latin and doing well. That final scene with Tenma and Johan. Was really great I wonder where Johan now went to probably meet his mother. Like Tenma discussed with him. I wonder still what is those twins real name. I give this anime my final score 10/10 it's just has everything in this anime that's why. But I have to say end is really weird in this one. 5/5 |
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| The Final Chapter: The Real Monster Ah, the series ends here. It's hard to say what the final scene means truly with the windows hanged open although I interpret it as: 1) He died and passed on 2) Escape from the hospital? Hmm, I wonder which one but it seems ambiguous to me. Johan Liebert is a monster and this series proves it. Overall, 8/10 for me. |
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| I had seen a little bit of this series before but that was a few years back. For about 2 years, I've been wanting to watch this series but I always seemed to get side-tracked by something. Saturday night, well more like in the early hours of Sunday morning, I had a friend over and we were deciding on an anime to watch and I was pushing him to watch Monster and he gave in. He said only 1 episode and that he needed to go back to his flat because it was like 2am, however, he stayed and watched the first 3 episodes....he was persuaded by the brilliance of this series. However, he needed to go bed and so did I (an early night for me lol), so we stopped there. After some sleep, I just kept on watching with obvious breaks, lectures and the time used to sleep.....I finally finished this magnificent series just now. I have many questions about the series, so many of them were left unanswered for the readers to decide on what they think will happen. I believe Johan is alive still and has escaped the police hospital he was recovering at, as to where he went, I do not know but a working theory is that he went to see his mother in Souther France. The part where he awakes from his slumber and tells Tenma about the choice his mother made in the last episode. I believe that is Tenma's imagination, a memory or an event only Tenma knows between Tenma and Johan, because the twin's mother told him and Tenma is thinking on what Johan must be thinking if he was to find out or remember the event. The series is brilliant in having complex and layered characters as well as a brilliant and menacing OP to go with it. The series or the events can be summed up in so many ways from one man's distorted love, a mother's revenge, a doctor's pursuit to right what he had done wrong, a woman who hates herself, a boy with a horrid past, a man seeking to gain his feelings and emotions that he had lost as a child. There are so many intertwining tales within this story. It's a beautiful anime and manga, the anime adaptation is very faithful to the manga. This is probably one of the animes where I am not really doing any "shipping", the many characters of this story seem to be more family than anything else, I don't see Nina and Tenma ever becoming a couple, Nina only sees Tenma as a precious individual and I don't think Tenma has the ability to get into a relationship anytime soon. Naoki Urasawa, the mangaka of Monster, who has done a few of my favourites of all time like 20th Century Boys. I learned that he rebooted his "Master Keaton" series, it's apparently set 20 years after the end of the original manga series. I'm wondering if he will ever make another manga related to Monster detailing more of what happens to the lives of the many characters like Eva, Tenma, Johan, Nina, etc. I think I maybe one of a few people who actually loved Eva's character, I never hated her at any point in the series, I know she did many questionable and incredibly hurtful things throughout the course of the series. I felt truly sorry for her when she lost Martin. This series is magnificent and should be watched many people out there as possible, I will be trying my best to spread this around amongst my friends. My score for this anime is a 10/10, it truly is a masterpiece. |
| The ending in most ways was good, but I can't believe they actually not only let him live but even didn't accuse of the murders. So we should assume the moral is there's no justice in the world? Anyway, even that wasn't enough to ruin the show in general. It was a great watch. I'm glad I had the opportunity to complete it. |
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| This anime was too good to have only 74 episodes ! About the characters , Johan is one of the most interesting and clever ones I have ever seen ! And thanks to this anime I was able to improve my German as well !! :) Gut gemacht ! xD |
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| I feel like they could have cut 30 episodes where nothing happened and made this a 44 episode anime or even shorter. It was pretty decent, but I was expecting more. |
| i don't get why people liked this anime so mutch? i watched all 74 epesiodes and diden't ike it! did mis something? or did i not understand it? there must be something for so manny people to like it, i mist have mist something, please some1 tell me |
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| Alright just finished... I looked over a few sites and I found this one explanation that I liked: In summary: The mother wanted to kill Bonaparta by using Johan (kill a Monster with a Monster), but since they were dressed up the same she didn't know which one was which so Nina was sent instead. Johan forced the assumption that the reason his mother didn't just SAY which one she wanted to send off is because the twins did not have names (nameless 'monsters'). Since Tenma told Johan that they indeed had names, Johans fears came true and he really is a monster from birth and wasn't made into one. This anime was so dark.... Now to watch something light hearted and funny... like Nichijou. |
| I was about to give this series a 9 because of the major pacing issues in the first half, but then I reconsidered because of how brilliantly the ending was done and how the writers managed to provide such closure (or lack thereof) to such an intricate and complex plot. Not a flawless series, but the final product was so engrossing that any flaws can be easily overlooked. 10/10 |
| As a last episode, it was pretty near perfect. I don't think I would ever give finales 10/10s since it would mean admitting that everything was over. But anyway... About that enigmatic scene where Tenma falls asleep and dreams that Johan asked if he knew which child his mother had handed over to Peter Capek: I think it might have been the "only memory" which Johan possessed which Nina does not. There were a few odd scenes towards the end where it showed Johan and Tenma sharing the same scene "at the end of the world". I liked the cliffhanger end and the various loose ends which will keep me thinking for days. -why was Peter Capek so twisted to begin with anyway? how does a German-born Czech end up like this? Where did he get his inspiration for his stories/morals from? -who was really the "monster", does true evil/the devil exist or is there always a reason for how things turn out? -why...did Johan decide to dress up as his sister and welcome her back in the first place? did he know that this would mess with her memories of who did what at the Red Rose Mansion? Did anyone else feel the series was (in terms of setting/background) actually closer to Nazi Germany more than everything else with its continual references to race, eugenics and blonde, blue-eyed children? |
| I loved the ending. That moment when Johan was suddenly sitting up staring at Tenma literally made me jump and figuratively shit my pants..... Who is the real monster? I agree with what alot of people have said here, that the "monster" is everyone. It's actually kinda the reason why I don't believe in the death penalty irl. Who knows what fucked up things happened to fucked up people when they were kids, is it their fault? The person that did the fucking up is a monster and the person that is fucked up is a monster. Every single person on the planet has at some point hurt someone in some way, shape or form. Even if we meant well we can never truly tell how that effected that person. We're all monsters to some degree. I actually had a little chuckle (after my initial "no fucking way) as the credits were rolling on the empty bed. I thought "funny if we heard the sound of a toilet flushing and then Johan walks back into frame and just gets back into bed" lol Unforgettable series. Now to read Another Monster. |
| I've never seen an open ending provide so much closure before this. It leaves you with the questions of "So who, exactly, is the real monster?" and "Where did Johan go?" to figure out for yourself, while at the same time giving you the feeling that everything has already been answered and the story has come to an end. Anna looked so happy to hear about Tenma. I suppose they've formed a strong bond after everything they went through together. I really wish I could have seen what they did when he went to visit her and Dieter, however I feel that not showing us is a better choice in the end. By not telling us what happened, it's left to be constructed by our imagination where whatever we wanted to happen between the characters becomes true. In that sense, the story never actually ends. Personally, I hope Tenma, Anna, and Dieter will always continue to see each other often, as after all those years they've practically become family to each other. Hopefully Tenma and Lunge can leave the past behind and become friends, same with Eva too. One thing that I thought was very interesting, was how they kept making subtle religious references to Johan, implying that he is of an evil like the anti-christ. This was kept up from the beginning of the first episode all the way until the very end of the series. At first, when we hadn't seen much of Johan, I thought it was an over-the-top way of characterizing him. However, as the series continued to progress, the title of "anti-christ" seemed to become fitting for him, not in a religious way but in the sense that he was a synonymous evil. In everything he did, the amount of evil only increased in intensity until the climax where he had personally initiated the slaughter of an entire town and asked Tenma to shoot him while holding a child at gunpoint, with the motive of completely erasing his own existence along with the existence of anyone who ever knew him. In the final scene with Tenma and Johan, it seemed to me that he no longer had interest in continuing the same kind of inhuman evil acts that he did before, but still held the same beliefs that he expressed in the previous episode: "The only thing people are truly equal in is death". This leads me to believe that he committed suicide in the end, however I'm still not sure about that as he was never interested in ending his own life, and instead tried to make other people (Anna, Tenma) end it for him. Needless to say, that last scene was a fantastic way to end the series. I believe that endings are the most important part of creating lasting appeal, and the way it was handled here was perfect in my opinion. Showing the final remaining "memory" during the last few moments and asking a simple yet unanswered question was powerful, and will likely cause this anime to stick with me for a very long time. I've never seen anything come close to this, not just within the anime industry but within entertainment in general. While from an objective standpoint the story has some flaws, it was executed in such a masterful way that I couldn't even notice them unless I deliberately tried to find them. While looking at simple screenshots it could appear that it is visually unimpressive, the animations were extremely high quality and I often found myself replaying certain scenes to admire it. The facial expressions were great, especially those within the main cast. The story was constantly developing itself, and not a single episode ever felt out of place. The suspense was constant, and the twists kept coming from the beginning until the very end. One of the things I liked the most were the ambient sounds. They were amazing and really added a lot to the atmosphere. A great example in my opinion was when Robert was trying to avoid giving in to alcohol. That was very well done, and it really gave you an idea of how nervous Robert was feeling and how intense it was for him. It makes you feel what the characters feel. Another good example is the very last scene. The sounds that start playing really help you understand the dread Tenma felt as he looked over to see Johan had sat up. I could continue listing all the things Monster did right, but I'd be preaching to the choir. Monster is a series that I will likely use to judge anything I watch in the future, for more than just anime. Kurogashi said: I hope Johan went and become Hitler or something; his character and talent would be wasted elsewhere. I don't remember the exact words, but during the arc where they were plotting to burn down the Turkish district, Tenma said something like this: "Johan doesn't have foolish racial prejudices like you. No, Johan mocks the entire human race." I think a position as "Hitler" would still be below him. He's capable of far more evil than that. SimmianPrime said: I actually had a little chuckle (after my initial "no fucking way) as the credits were rolling on the empty bed. I thought "funny if we heard the sound of a toilet flushing and then Johan walks back into frame and just gets back into bed" lol Since I read that, every time I watch that scene I can't help but think of that and laugh. Really, that was clever. If they actually did that though it would probably ruin the ending for me. It would be like spitting on everything that happened. |
LarasoApr 14, 2013 10:59 PM
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| I personally don't find the theme 'Who is the True Monster' interesting or awe inspiring. Given, I don't believe in God as much and in my opinion, there's no need to think too emotionally when dealing with incidents. No matter how saddening or unfortunate their past is, it's simple to distinguish crime from not and whoever did it simply had to be held responsible for it. Choices are ours while blames are more often than not, lies on the part of the caretaker; especially parents who didn't think far enough before deciding to give birth. Back onto the show, Monster is a great show. Despite being slow-paced, the constant revelations are a delight to watch. The only flaws are two episodes of filler and the faltering momentum as the show reaches it's climax. For the former, it's the episode where Dr. Tenma helped the sole doctor of a village with his work and the other being the episode where Dr. Tenma helped that underground female doctor. They simply served no further purpose than connecting the story right at the end of the episode. A good indicator is the lack of their presence in the epilogue. The show starts to deteriorate by episode 67 where Johan killed the guy who funded his activities. As far as I know, there's no indication as to who the guy is; though I could be mistaken. Then there's the problem with the death of Grimmer. The idea of Grimmer 'conquering' his inner self is fine by itself, but a guy walking out into the line of fire of terrorists? No please, that's too fictional and shouldn't exist in Monster. Furthermore, he even start PREACHING about idealogies. That's pretty much the nail in the coffin. A much better alternative is for him to simply caught sight of the woman getting killed and continue from there without all the preaching. It's obvious and expected that Dr. Tenma can't shoot Johan but having Dr. Tenma as the King of Procrastinator while screaming/shouting is a huge letdown. Every scene with weapons capable of fatality should be executed quickly and smoothly without allowing too much time to think. That's what executing a climax is all about. Instead we have Dr. Tenma and his screaming which I had no idea for what or why. Just keep calm and point the gun without making sounds. Is that too difficult? There's not even any need for you to shoot; just point 'em. While Nina forgiving Johan is a nice touch, the worst offence is having someone other than the main cast killing Johan. When Johan was killed, I wholeheartedly believed that it's Lunge who shot him. Instead we have a drunkard and a nobody ending this epic chase. Just why? With the build up so far, it's simply a question of orchestrating Johan eventual death by Lunge. Why must it insists on it's so called 'theme' and have another terrified nobody haunted by Johan's inner malice or a.k.a. Monster to end Johan's life? Backtrack a little, the fact that Wim went to meet Dr. Tenma when they're supposed to enter the house and saving Lunge is another letdown. Yes, Johan is important, but stop being suggestive if you're not gonna do it. Then there's the brawl between Roberto and Lunge. It's finely executed but the aftermath leave much to be sought for. Lunge managed to bring Roberto down only to be knocked unconscious when he's trying to exit the premise. The problem lies on why Roberto doesn't kill Lunge and the fact that it's too obvious the author's trying to let Roberto kill Bonaparta and dying with a cool final line. It isn't even a ploy from the author; it's downright bad storytelling. Then there's the epilogue. I'm supportive of Tenma saving Johan. It's simply the 'correct' turn of event and isn't detrimental in any way to the show. It's also nice to see that Nina's real name is hinted to be Fraulein. While Fraulein could be 'Miss' in German (according to Wikipedia), there's simply no reason why the viewer would know rather than assume it's her 'real' name. Furthermore, it's usage is pretty much nil in real life. But what grit me is how eager Nina wanted to meet Dr. Tenma. I never like how close they were; they're not meant to be together but it's deliberately shown that there's slight romantic interest. The transition is too sudden and awkward. It leaves a bad aftertaste. Though I'm glad that Johan never actually woke up early in the episode and starts with bs like repentance, morality and the importance of forgiving others. Johan's crime is simply too great for such a lenient ending while the current one suit it perfectly. Nevertheless, the show seen it's salvation when Johan suggests the most crucial question: who is it that the mother abandoned? More often than not I'd grind through remarkable show which never succeeded in wrapping up the story perfectly and sadly, Monster is one of it. By the end of the show, there's too much cliches and plot devices involved for it to be entertaining. Nevertheless, it boils down to a question of 8/9 or in other word 3/4 out of 5 though I'm leaning on the lower side. Edit: Ah right, I finally understood why the ending's been bugging me so much. Having an unrelated character shooting Johan aside, it's pretty much unrealistic for a complete amateur to do a headshot. While I welcome these 'low probability but still possible' occurrence in fantasy shows, clearly it has no place in Monster which had managed to at least stay on the realistic side of the world for the whole show. Furthermore, I reckon the drunkard had less motivation to shoot Johan compared to Tenma's despite his son being held captive. Tenma definitely had it worse during these 74 episodes. |
KenjimaxApr 18, 2013 2:10 AM
| This anime was definitely too long. They could have made it shorter like 50 episodes. In the end i thought the monster would be defeated but it never happened. The last scene in the hospital revealed some important details and it was very creepy when Dr.Tenma had that vision. In terms of story this was one of the most enjoyable anime i've ever seen. It will be one of the top in my top 10 list and i will give it 10/10. |
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| The first anime I have completed of this length. It has been on my PTW for a way to long time because of it's length. But I certainly have enjoyed these 2 weeks watching Monster. 8/10 - might even consider rewatching it in the future |
KhalanMay 1, 2013 3:39 PM
| Fantastic end and a equally fantastic series! Definitely in my Top 5 Anime that I have seen. The ending where Tenma had that vision freaked me out so much. Johan is one of the best villain I've seen in anime. Just pure evil and the perfect nameless mosnter, 10/10 |
| WTF cliffhanger ending is this? This twist was unnecessary for this otherwise very great show. Johan should stay in coma. This was disappointing. It left me with bitter aftertaste. But the series was excellent I had a great time watching it. So, in the end 9/10 Edit: Yeah, I get the symbogy - Johan itself said he never existed. And that the true monster never dies, just disappears for a wihile. But in the end I am force to believe that he either died in hospital bed or that he was redeemed when Tenma said her mother loves them both and never kills anyone again. That way this end is bearable for me, otherwise it would be unsatisfactory. Or even better - let's take this disappearance ending as purely metaphorical. Another Monster states that Johan is still in coma in this hospital and I am poised to believe it. He just vanished from lives of everybody. His actions were slowly forgotten. True monster is gone. Really the best end. |
Mich666May 9, 2013 8:06 AM
SimmianPrime said: ...Who is the real monster? I agree with what alot of people have said here, that the "monster" is everyone.  The world's a terrifying place. I can understand why Johan became a monster. But the thing is...people can change. And most of the characters did. So like many, I don't know what happened to Johan at the end but if he's alive I think the monster inside of him will have changed. Good work Tenma. Surely one of the better mysteries I've seen.  |
| What... a... journey! (Literally) No amount of words shared by me can even hold a candle to what need be said. Also, there's a lot more for the viewers to look back on after completing it too, so in a sense, Monster will never end! ^^ 10/10. Some of the, if not, the best portrayed characters, premise, plot, and execution ever. This brought a whole new meaning to anime for me. An all-rounder favourite. This is how you write a story, take note! Now waiting on the T.V. series! |
Kayaba-Jun 26, 2013 9:49 PM
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| Just rewatched the whole series and its just so gooood. |
| Aren't the police supposed to handcuff a mass murderer to the hospital bed so he can't get away? I liked seeing what happened with Eva. She became one of my favorite characters after episode 60 and the death of Martin, although I loathe her almost as much as I love her. RIP Mr. Grimmer. You were my favorite side character. I'm sorry you couldn't have a happy ending with the sausage selling girl, who reminded me of Misa Misa from Death Note. The final 2 episodes for me were disappointing and anti-climatic. I was looking forward to huge sibling showdown or some Johann mind ***k getting the main characters to kill one another. Instead, he tries to get someone to kill him. Johann, if you want to die, do it yourself, wuss. I watched the English subs version, as is my preference for anime, and I love the woman who voiced Eva (in Japanese) Mami Koyama. I recognized her voice from Black Lagoon as another of my favorite characters (Balalaika.) Overall, still one of my favorite series, probably in the bottom half of my personal top ten, and the best psychological thriller since Death Note. Series - 8.5/10 |
| Great series! 9/10 What happened at the ending was completely fucked up |
| What to say? long, well-written? Im speechless 9/10. Mostly liked episodes with Eva or Runge. |
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| Only thing I wish -- and after shoving so much anime into such a small time frame, I admit I might have missed something (I watched 21 eps of this in a single day, I was that hooked!) -- is that they explained what the hell happened at 511 Kinderheim! At least how the massacre went down, what started it, what was up with Johan being the "leader" and how he survived, etc. |
| Never forget, that if you post a topic, you're not allowed to post in it yourself, by order of MAL administration. |
UnculturedWhitey said: Only thing I wish -- and after shoving so much anime into such a small time frame, I admit I might have missed something (I watched 21 eps of this in a single day, I was that hooked!) -- is that they explained what the hell happened at 511 Kinderheim! At least how the massacre went down, what started it, what was up with Johan being the "leader" and how he survived, etc. Read "Another Monster" chapter 5 |
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| Another flawed masterpiece, in the same category as Berserk and Hajime no Ippo for me. So close but not quite a 10. The only thing I didn't like about the ending was with Johan. How are you going to have a guy accused of the things Lunge no doubt explained when he was apprehended, freely sitting an a hospital bed with an open window? No police guarding his room, not handcuffed to the bed, nothing. Terribly unrealistic. |
| a good ending to a good serie , is nina dating tenma? she seem way to happy when dieter tell her the good news , the part when johan stood up and starred at tenma OMG... dat stare 10/10 |
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