APolygons2 said: I meant Imdb public scores compared to like mal's public scores. I checked a few movies on Imdb and, as you say, it does look like people rate the originals higher. Which I think is normal, by the way; first time always hits harder. I still think movies and anime can't really be compared this way. People make them differently and consume them differently. TV shows may have some "sequel bias" similar to anime, though. I used to look up Rotten Tomatoes scores for TV shows briefly in the past (I don't anymore, I learned that they're not very useful information), and the later seasons often had higher ratings than the earlier ones, with the big caveat being there were also way fewer reviews for the later seasons; so whoever's reviewing them only stuck around because they liked the series/concept, similar to how sequel bias works on MAL. But I don't know much about TV show criticism and discourse, so it's mostly a guess and a suggestion on my part. Maybe someone more knowledgeable in that area can confirm or disprove. |
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@Blackfire2340 Kungfu panda 2 is one of my all time favourite movies and i would absolutely put it above 1. not by a huge gap though cause 1 still is great.
I'm far from alone in that, If you look at any community posts, or discussions on the series, everyone pretty much unanimously agrees that the first two are about the same level of great, and 3 was a step down.
look at this pole: https://www.reddit.com/r/kungfupanda/comments/w22pho/whats_your_favourite_kung_fu_panda_movie/
Shrek 2 and 1 are also always compared. I have seen about equal amounts of people say which one they prefer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWorks/comments/rl4wx3/out_of_all_the_shrek_movies_which_one_is_your/
I didn't cherry pick these, these poles were the first one that popped up on google.
Aliens I thought was definitely better than alien personally.
And I haven't seen godfather part two, but most people say it's just as good as part 1 if not even better.
I'm far from alone in that, If you look at any community posts, or discussions on the series, everyone pretty much unanimously agrees that the first two are about the same level of great, and 3 was a step down.
look at this pole: https://www.reddit.com/r/kungfupanda/comments/w22pho/whats_your_favourite_kung_fu_panda_movie/
Shrek 2 and 1 are also always compared. I have seen about equal amounts of people say which one they prefer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWorks/comments/rl4wx3/out_of_all_the_shrek_movies_which_one_is_your/
I didn't cherry pick these, these poles were the first one that popped up on google.
Aliens I thought was definitely better than alien personally.
And I haven't seen godfather part two, but most people say it's just as good as part 1 if not even better.
| @APolygons2 You say these movie sequels get lower scores but on IMDB there's only an 0.1 difference between Alien and Aliens and 0.2 between The Godfather part 1 and 2. |
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@APolygons2
You say these movie sequels get lower scores but on IMDB there's only an 0.1 difference between Alien and Aliens and 0.2 between The Godfather part 1 and 2.
You say these movie sequels get lower scores but on IMDB there's only an 0.1 difference between Alien and Aliens and 0.2 between The Godfather part 1 and 2.
| @IKKIsama there is, but on mal if the sequel is just as good as the original it normally gets a "higher" score. Besides look at those pole, despite kunfu panda and shrek 2 being fan favourites they have much lower ratings on imdb. Also also, I haven't seen godfather part two, but I personally think aliens topped alien in pretty much every way possible. |
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@APolygons2 I still don't get how it is a bias though, it seems pretty obvious to me that a sequel, weather it's better or worse or the same as it's prequel, is likely to have a higher avarege rating because those who lost interest in it won't watch it and rate it
| @DigiCat Yeah you nailed it. It's obvious, but because of that sequels get higher ratings. which is why there is score bias for them, in comparison to shows that don't get that boost. bias here just means sequels have an advantage in getting a high score. But as I said in the thread, for some reason this doesn't seem to be a thing when it comes to movies. if anything the opposite seems happen more often. |
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@IKKIsama there is, but on mal if the sequel is just as good as the original it normally gets a "higher" score.
Besides look at those pole, despite kunfu panda and shrek 2 being fan favourites they have much lower ratings on imdb.
Also also, I haven't seen godfather part two, but I personally think aliens topped alien in pretty much every way possible.
Besides look at those pole, despite kunfu panda and shrek 2 being fan favourites they have much lower ratings on imdb.
Also also, I haven't seen godfather part two, but I personally think aliens topped alien in pretty much every way possible.
| @APolygons2 Alien and The Godfather are my favorite movies in these franchises but that's not relevant. Some sequels will be rated higher (e.g. Empire Strikes Back, Terminator 2, Spiderman 2, The Dark Knight, Mad Max 2). Again there can be multiple reasons why it happens, and movies are just more accessible to a mainstream audience than anime. IMDB used to show ratings per age (and gender) but unfortunately that feature was removed. |
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@DigiCat Yeah you nailed it.
It's obvious, but because of that sequels get higher ratings. which is why there is score bias for them, in comparison to shows that don't get that boost. bias here just means sequels have an advantage in getting a high score.
But as I said in the thread, for some reason this doesn't seem to be a thing when it comes to movies. if anything the opposite seems happen more often.
It's obvious, but because of that sequels get higher ratings. which is why there is score bias for them, in comparison to shows that don't get that boost. bias here just means sequels have an advantage in getting a high score.
But as I said in the thread, for some reason this doesn't seem to be a thing when it comes to movies. if anything the opposite seems happen more often.
| @APolygons2 Again, i don't see how that's bias, Yes sequels have an advantage becuase the vast majority of those who watch them will be people who enjoyed s1, and it's a well earned advantage, the whole reason they're getting sequels is because a lot of people enjoyed the OG to start with Also you are comparing movies to series which is quite a different medium if you take a closer look at it Movie franchises tend to be made up of many stand-alone plots (plot per movie) that connect to eachother in some way to make a whole story, this 1) makes it more likely that someone might pick up a franchise at movie 3 and later think "hey i like this let me check out the rest of these" or "this is crap why does it exist?" compare to picking up a series at season 3 where the story has been built up over multiple episodes, 2) the way plot is layed out in movies compare to series also spawns different ways of rating them, while with singular plotted movies in a franchise one might rate each movie comparing each plot to the other (usually the OG), with a more linear series one tends to rate the different aspects of the story as a whole rather than comparing each season individually You can even see these differences in ratings when looking at sequels of a series compare to their spin-off movies, take for example My Hero Academia, where most seasons after s1 have an 8+ score, yet the movies stay lower at around 7.5, unlike the sequels which are judged as part of the series the movies tend to get compared to the series |
| What debating with DigiCat is like according to APolygons2 That's why I thought a discussion would be pointless. It doesn't feel like a debate. It feels like I'm playing chess and somehow lose to an uno reverse card after loosing all my monopoly money lol |
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@APolygons2 Again, i don't see how that's bias, Yes sequels have an advantage becuase the vast majority of those who watch them will be people who enjoyed s1, and it's a well earned advantage, the whole reason they're getting sequels is because a lot of people enjoyed the OG to start with
Also you are comparing movies to series which is quite a different medium if you take a closer look at it
Movie franchises tend to be made up of many stand-alone plots (plot per movie) that connect to eachother in some way to make a whole story, this 1) makes it more likely that someone might pick up a franchise at movie 3 and later think "hey i like this let me check out the rest of these" or "this is crap why does it exist?" compare to picking up a series at season 3 where the story has been built up over multiple episodes, 2) the way plot is layed out in movies compare to series also spawns different ways of rating them, while with singular plotted movies in a franchise one might rate each movie comparing each plot to the other (usually the OG), with a more linear series one tends to rate the different aspects of the story as a whole rather than comparing each season individually
You can even see these differences in ratings when looking at sequels of a series compare to their spin-off movies, take for example My Hero Academia, where most seasons after s1 have an 8+ score, yet the movies stay lower at around 7.5, unlike the sequels which are judged as part of the series the movies tend to get compared to the series
Also you are comparing movies to series which is quite a different medium if you take a closer look at it
Movie franchises tend to be made up of many stand-alone plots (plot per movie) that connect to eachother in some way to make a whole story, this 1) makes it more likely that someone might pick up a franchise at movie 3 and later think "hey i like this let me check out the rest of these" or "this is crap why does it exist?" compare to picking up a series at season 3 where the story has been built up over multiple episodes, 2) the way plot is layed out in movies compare to series also spawns different ways of rating them, while with singular plotted movies in a franchise one might rate each movie comparing each plot to the other (usually the OG), with a more linear series one tends to rate the different aspects of the story as a whole rather than comparing each season individually
You can even see these differences in ratings when looking at sequels of a series compare to their spin-off movies, take for example My Hero Academia, where most seasons after s1 have an 8+ score, yet the movies stay lower at around 7.5, unlike the sequels which are judged as part of the series the movies tend to get compared to the series
DigiCat said: Again, i don't see how that's bias, Yes sequels have an advantage becuase the vast majority of those who watch them will be people who enjoyed s1, and it's a well earned advantage, the whole reason they're getting sequels is because a lot of people enjoyed the OG to start with I'm just saying that's what people mean when they say sequel bias. you can call it something else, if you don't think bias is the right word for it. I was just telling you what MAL people mean when they say sequel bias. DigiCat said: You can even see these differences in ratings when looking at sequels of a series compare to their spin-off movies, take for example My Hero Academia, where most seasons after s1 have an 8+ score, yet the movies stay lower at around 7.5, unlike the sequels which are judged as part of the series the movies tend to get compared to the series But those movies are barely canon fillers that are either never, or only slightly brought up in the rest of the show. A better example would be movies that actually continue the series, like madoka magica rebellion, end of evangelion, jujutsu kaisen 0, demon slayer movie, disappearance of haruhi suzumiya, gintama the semi-finale and gintama the finale, made in abyss dawn of deep soul, the konosuba movie, the bunny girl senpai movie, fma 2003 movie..... just movies that actually matter and continue the story. DigiCat said: Movie franchises tend to be made up of many stand-alone plots (plot per movie) that connect to eachother in some way to make a whole story, this 1) makes it more likely that someone might pick up a franchise at movie 3 and later think "hey i like this let me check out the rest of these" or "this is crap why does it exist?" compare to picking up a series at season 3 where the story has been built up over multiple episodes, 2) the way plot is layed out in movies compare to series also spawns different ways of rating them, while with singular plotted movies in a franchise one might rate each movie comparing each plot to the other (usually the OG), with a more linear series one tends to rate the different aspects of the story as a whole rather than comparing each season individually This was also my best guess as to whythis happens. |
APolygons2Apr 28, 5:09 PM
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| I think TV shows should be compared to TV shows. Plenty of examples could be given here and bias should be present. People drop series. Excess of supply. They get paid much less after it gets worse. (also about MAL, future seasons have way less members because only the fans that sticked around from season 1 are watching season 2 and should have higher score as a result) And movie series should be compared to movie series, even though you probably don't have enough examples for anime here. Movies get milked much more than series. Excess of demand. They get paid as much even if it's worse, since people have faith from the first one and pay the full price in advance to enter the theater. |
| Well movies are shorter than a whole show, no? Anime fans dont actually watch the next season if they didnt like it. At least to the point of influencing ratings. |
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APolygons2 said: Aliens Come ooon! This and Terminator 2 are counter examples. Rare exceptions to the rule. Use Predator 2 or RoboCop 2 instead! The problem with Hollywood is that it at certain point it tries to milk you more than it puts as creativity in its projects. This is why even decent movie series start to dwindle. APolygons2 said: God father part 2 Francis Ford Coppola tried to do something different here, but the viewers were expectation a traditional sequel. On the other hand The Godfather Part 3 was super popular a made a lot of money - saving the author from debts by earlier movie flops. |
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@Blackfire2340 Kungfu panda 2 is one of my all time favourite movies and i would absolutely put it above 1. not by a huge gap though cause 1 still is great.
I'm far from alone in that, If you look at any community posts, or discussions on the series, everyone pretty much unanimously agrees that the first two are about the same level of great, and 3 was a step down.
look at this pole: https://www.reddit.com/r/kungfupanda/comments/w22pho/whats_your_favourite_kung_fu_panda_movie/
Shrek 2 and 1 are also always compared. I have seen about equal amounts of people say which one they prefer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWorks/comments/rl4wx3/out_of_all_the_shrek_movies_which_one_is_your/
I didn't cherry pick these, these poles were the first one that popped up on google.
Aliens I thought was definitely better than alien personally.
And I haven't seen godfather part two, but most people say it's just as good as part 1 if not even better.
I'm far from alone in that, If you look at any community posts, or discussions on the series, everyone pretty much unanimously agrees that the first two are about the same level of great, and 3 was a step down.
look at this pole: https://www.reddit.com/r/kungfupanda/comments/w22pho/whats_your_favourite_kung_fu_panda_movie/
Shrek 2 and 1 are also always compared. I have seen about equal amounts of people say which one they prefer.
https://www.reddit.com/r/DreamWorks/comments/rl4wx3/out_of_all_the_shrek_movies_which_one_is_your/
I didn't cherry pick these, these poles were the first one that popped up on google.
Aliens I thought was definitely better than alien personally.
And I haven't seen godfather part two, but most people say it's just as good as part 1 if not even better.
| @APolygons2 There will always be preferences, but in general Shrek 1 and Kung Fu Panda 1 are often better reviewed than the sequels. Compared to something like Aliens and Godfather Pt. 2 where it's practically unanimous that those are the superior films. |
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| Yeah no this just reminds me of the promised neverland and tokyo ghoul and other botched season 2s of anime. |
| Sequels to anime is seen as another season, while many movie sequels can look pointless if the previous movie already had a complete ending, while many first seasons of anime doesn't have that. |
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| I think it's more prevalent in Anime if not anywhere else. Especially very long awaited sequels that have been on hold for years or even decades like devil is a part timer or rezero, heck even tokyo ghoul suffered from sequel bias. That being said, I'm sure novels suffer from the same sequel bias too just not on the scale that anime does |
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@APolygons2
You say these movie sequels get lower scores but on IMDB there's only an 0.1 difference between Alien and Aliens and 0.2 between The Godfather part 1 and 2.
You say these movie sequels get lower scores but on IMDB there's only an 0.1 difference between Alien and Aliens and 0.2 between The Godfather part 1 and 2.
| @IKKIsama Would you completely judge anime based off MAL? You have to have to consider other sources. |
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| Have you seen the reception of Steins;Gate 0? Most people just think its a disappointing cash grab trying to bank off the greatness of the OG S;G |
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Have you seen the reception of Steins;Gate 0?
Most people just think its a disappointing cash grab trying to bank off the greatness of the OG S;G
Most people just think its a disappointing cash grab trying to bank off the greatness of the OG S;G
| @joseifan Well 0 is not as good as the original. The VN is almost just as highly praised, the reason 0 got a fair amount of backlash is the adaptation not being close to as good as the og. And even with that, it's still has a REALLY good rating, considering how many things it does poorly. |
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