| I thought that the second season was enjoyable too. Some complained about a bad adaption, but I don’t read the written material, so I don’t know. Some complained about the animation, however, It really just seemed like they just wanted something to complain about, yet really couldn’t find anything significant, so they just complained about what they claimed was “bad art”. Some complained it was boring and slow, but a lot of people just wanted the exact same “Hateful, Revenge, Vengeance” Naofumi and the first season story feel, so ignoring character growth and story development. Overall, I really couldn’t agree with most the complaints and hate. |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
RoboByleth said: for me, things felt way too rushed, jumping to different plot points more abruptly than season 1 did sometimes. the relationship between the main trio also felt undermined for a good bit till we rushed into a conflict with that. there was also a couple of dropped plot points that seemed very important, but characters just breeze past them for what again felt like rushing to get to the next location or story point. Interesting, you’re the first person I heard say it was rushed. Most complaints I heard was that it was slow and boring. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
adesh17 said: Moppit said: @adesh17 Can't expect every season to be exciting. Even if it's boring, you need something to build from, so the rest of the story will be better for it. i hoped it too but s3 turn out to be worse than than S2 . @Moppit blew away your your first point Then you changed the subject, but things in season two actually did affect later events in season 3 So you changed the subject again to complain about season 3 being worse than season 2 Which goes to show that you really have no clue what your talking about. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
ChallengerUPC said: Because even without comparing it to anything it's got bad animation, a bad story, bad dialogue, and overall bad direction. Season 1 didn't set the bar too high, it's just a bad season of anime full stop Hater alert … makes generic complaints and mocks the anime I have seen far better complaints about specific details of season 1, 2, 3 |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
| I think the hate is mostly that since we see Malty, the main villain of the first season, be deposed of, that there was no reason for many viewers to continue watching the story. Sometimes stories just need to end, rather than being continued for the sake of being continued. This issue is reminiscent of Bleach since Aizen's defeat, where both authors here meander after the defeat of a villain that was integral to the enjoyment of the first half of the story, alongside Naofumi not really being in an underdog position by the point the first season concluded. I love Bleach more than Shield Hero, but that doesn't mean I wanted it to continue beyond Aizen (Until Tite decided to try with the TYBW arc). |
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adesh17 said: ejleon said: @Moppit blew away your your first point Then you changed the subject, but things in season two actually did affect later events in season 3 So you changed the subject again to complain about season 3 being worse than season 2 Which goes to show that you really have no clue what your talking about. i never said I liked s2 but I had high expectations after s1. So I thought maybe 2nd season is just some build up for the next season ... but gawd after finishing s3 i understood how wrong I was And one more thing I hate is How da fnck every hero can be this dumb .if I was a complete hater i wouldn't have rated s1 this high I did not claim that you liked season 2 Nothing he did was dumb |
ejleonMar 14, 6:37 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
ChallengerUPC said: ejleon said: Hater alert … makes generic complaints and mocks the anime I have seen far better complaints about specific details of season 1, 2, 3 Well yeah, I did kindof hate it. Wasn't that the topic? I gave some general reasons for that opinion. Why would I waste my time spelling out specific reasonings for something that had less redeeming qualities than things good about it. Is my opinion going to somehow change? Does me not spelling things out make my opinion invalid? Also I don't think you know what mocking something means but this is MAL after all so I guess that's to be expected The person liked the show, asking why do people hate it, because it is good in their good. This means he doesn’t agree with your type of attitude towards it. You totally missed my point… I mentioned people who actually watched the show and gave honest criticism of specific details, because they actually shared their own sincere opinion of the show. All you did was repeat the genetic claims about the show that the hater crowd said, but those claims are without evidence, making them false, so you made your own opinion invalid. I didn’t say you had to like or love the show, you could hate the show and just given honest criticism, I would have respect for your opinion. But being a sheep that goes “bah bah bah” to follow the hater crowd is not good at all. |
ejleonMar 14, 6:18 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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ChallengerUPC said:
Well yeah, I did kindof hate it. Wasn't that the topic? I gave some general reasons for that opinion. Why would I waste my time spelling out specific reasonings for something that had less redeeming qualities than things good about it. Is my opinion going to somehow change? Does me not spelling things out make my opinion invalid?
Also I don't think you know what mocking something means but this is MAL after all so I guess that's to be expected
ejleon said:
Hater alert … makes generic complaints and mocks the anime
I have seen far better complaints about specific details of season 1, 2, 3
Hater alert … makes generic complaints and mocks the anime
I have seen far better complaints about specific details of season 1, 2, 3
Well yeah, I did kindof hate it. Wasn't that the topic? I gave some general reasons for that opinion. Why would I waste my time spelling out specific reasonings for something that had less redeeming qualities than things good about it. Is my opinion going to somehow change? Does me not spelling things out make my opinion invalid?
Also I don't think you know what mocking something means but this is MAL after all so I guess that's to be expected
The person liked the show, asking why do people hate it, because it is good in their good.
This means he doesn’t agree with your type of attitude towards it.
You totally missed my point…
I mentioned people who actually watched the show and gave honest criticism of specific details, because they actually shared their own sincere opinion of the show.
All you did was repeat the genetic claims about the show that the hater crowd said, but those claims are without evidence, making them false, so you made your own opinion invalid.
I didn’t say you had to like or love the show, you could hate the show and just given honest criticism, I would have respect for your opinion.
But being a sheep that goes “bah bah bah” to follow the hater crowd is not good at all.
ejleon said: All you did was repeat the genetic claims about the show that the hater crowd said, but those claims are without evidence, making them false, so you made your own opinion invalid. I agree that users on this forum could stand to be a bit more specific regarding what they dislike, but I also understand that people post mostly for themselves. If they want to express displeasure, they will likely do it in the way most comfortable to them, and I do think people can dislike a series without really being able to adequately express why. Good criticism takes effort and thought to write. I find it weird that you are saying that without being specific, it makes said claims false or their opinion invalid. I think that is going too far. Accusing others of being sheep is less conducive to discussion than simple generic criticisms, I argue. I also do not really understand it. I think people can dislike things and just suck at enunciating why, especially if one of the most common criticism is that a show is simply boring. |
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PeripheralVision said: I think the hate is mostly that since we see Malty, the main villain of the first season, be deposed of, that there was no reason for many viewers to continue watching the story. Sometimes stories just need to end, rather than being continued for the sake of being continued. This issue is reminiscent of Bleach since Aizen's defeat, where both authors here meander after the defeat of a villain that was integral to the enjoyment of the first half of the story, alongside Naofumi not really being in an underdog position by the point the first season concluded. I love Bleach more than Shield Hero, but that doesn't mean I wanted it to continue beyond Aizen (Until Tite decided to try with the TYBW arc). I can understand your point, but I don’t think you are understanding what I am saying correctly. I have no problem with someone expressing their own honest and sincere personal opinion, whether it’s for or against the show. I’ll respect their opinion and I will even fight for them to be able to share it. If you ask these people to give an example and present evidence to support their opinion, they can explain their perspective to you. However, the person that just says “bad animation, bad story, bad dialogue, bad direction” which are all just generic comments labeling the entire show as “bad” in general, it has the appearance of an opinion. But because it is so general, it makes a person say, “Well, what do you mean, can you give and example and present evidence to explain your opinion?”, in order to understand their perspective. Most of the time they won’t be able to present anything to support their comment, because it isn’t really an honest and sincere opinion, it’s just them mocking the show. Hence why I consider those people to just be a “hater”. |
ejleonMar 14, 7:03 PM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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PeripheralVision said:
I think the hate is mostly that since we see Malty, the main villain of the first season, be deposed of, that there was no reason for many viewers to continue watching the story. Sometimes stories just need to end, rather than being continued for the sake of being continued.
This issue is reminiscent of Bleach since Aizen's defeat, where both authors here meander after the defeat of a villain that was integral to the enjoyment of the first half of the story, alongside Naofumi not really being in an underdog position by the point the first season concluded. I love Bleach more than Shield Hero, but that doesn't mean I wanted it to continue beyond Aizen (Until Tite decided to try with the TYBW arc).
I think the hate is mostly that since we see Malty, the main villain of the first season, be deposed of, that there was no reason for many viewers to continue watching the story. Sometimes stories just need to end, rather than being continued for the sake of being continued.
This issue is reminiscent of Bleach since Aizen's defeat, where both authors here meander after the defeat of a villain that was integral to the enjoyment of the first half of the story, alongside Naofumi not really being in an underdog position by the point the first season concluded. I love Bleach more than Shield Hero, but that doesn't mean I wanted it to continue beyond Aizen (Until Tite decided to try with the TYBW arc).
I can understand your point, but I don’t think you are understanding what I am saying correctly.
I have no problem with someone expressing their own honest and sincere personal opinion, whether it’s for or against the show. I’ll respect their opinion and I will even fight for them to be able to share it.
If you ask these people to give an example and present evidence to support their opinion, they can explain their perspective to you.
However, the person that just says “bad animation, bad story, bad dialogue, bad direction” which are all just generic comments labeling the entire show as “bad” in general, it has the appearance of an opinion.
But because it is so general, it makes a person say, “Well, what do you mean, can you give and example and present evidence to explain your opinion?”, in order to understand their perspective.
Most of the time they won’t be able to present anything to support their comment, because it isn’t really an honest and sincere opinion, it’s just them mocking the show.
Hence why I consider those people to just be a “hater”.
| @ejleon I mean fair enough, but you are being a dick by claiming their opinions on a show is invalid. You are jumping the gun, so to speak. If you want to encourage discussion, be more tactful. Opinions cannot by their very nature be false. They of course can be based off of false premises and misconceptions but those render said opinions irrational, but not "false". Accusing people of insincerity does nothing but invite anger and trouble. In the end, you are not really "owed" an explanation as to why someone might feel negatively about a work. As I see it, forums are two things. Places to discuss, and places to post our opinions. Every opinion I post is not something I necessarily intend to lead to any discussion or follow-up. I post mostly because it is supposed to be for my own benefit, rather than anyone else. Because of this, I do not expect others to necessarily expound on their reasons, nor do I see it as something to really "care" about. Not everyone is a good critic, but that does not mean their feelings about a show are invalid. You of course can and I argue should demand a higher degree of thought, but accusations of inauthenticity is most certainly not the way to go about it. Just ask. Not to be weird here, but you seem weirdly sensitive about others when they have different opinions than your own, and I just do not see why. Just something I noticed. |
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ejleon said:
However, the person that just says “bad animation, bad story, bad dialogue, bad direction” which are all just generic comments labeling the entire show as “bad” in general, it has the appearance of an opinion.
But because it is so general, it makes a person say, “Well, what do you mean, can you give and example and present evidence to explain your opinion?”, in order to understand their perspective.
Most of the time they won’t be able to present anything to support their comment, because it isn’t really an honest and sincere opinion, it’s just them mocking the show.
However, the person that just says “bad animation, bad story, bad dialogue, bad direction” which are all just generic comments labeling the entire show as “bad” in general, it has the appearance of an opinion.
But because it is so general, it makes a person say, “Well, what do you mean, can you give and example and present evidence to explain your opinion?”, in order to understand their perspective.
Most of the time they won’t be able to present anything to support their comment, because it isn’t really an honest and sincere opinion, it’s just them mocking the show.
Sure some people do this, but people can dislike something without being on any bandwagon. If you find a lot of the same criticisms consistently repeated, there is a chance people actually feel that way. I enjoyed season 1 and watched all of season 2. Trying to pick specific examples of the aspects I found bad is pointless because I found them consistently terrible throughout the entirety of the season. Here: Throughout episodes 1-13 of season 2 with rare exception, I found the animation to be stiff, the art mediocre, the CGI ugly, the characters uncompelling, the dialogue generic and cringey, and the story boring with no reason to care about anything that was going on at any given time. Happy? Is my opinion "valid" now?
PeripheralVision said:
I agree that users on this forum could stand to be a bit more specific regarding what they dislike, but I also understand that people post mostly for themselves. If they want to express displeasure, they will likely do it in the way most comfortable to them, and I do think people can dislike a series without really being able to adequately express why. Good criticism takes effort and thought to write.
I find it weird that you are saying that without being specific, it makes said claims false or their opinion invalid. I think that is going too far. Accusing others of being sheep is less conducive to discussion than simple generic criticisms, I argue. I also do not really understand it. I think people can dislike things and just suck at enunciating why, especially if one of the most common criticism is that a show is simply boring.
I agree that users on this forum could stand to be a bit more specific regarding what they dislike, but I also understand that people post mostly for themselves. If they want to express displeasure, they will likely do it in the way most comfortable to them, and I do think people can dislike a series without really being able to adequately express why. Good criticism takes effort and thought to write.
I find it weird that you are saying that without being specific, it makes said claims false or their opinion invalid. I think that is going too far. Accusing others of being sheep is less conducive to discussion than simple generic criticisms, I argue. I also do not really understand it. I think people can dislike things and just suck at enunciating why, especially if one of the most common criticism is that a show is simply boring.
It's nice seeing someone with a good head on their shoulders
| @ChallengerUPC Did you not read where I said “giving general comments” vs “presenting specific details about the anime”? If you can’t tell the difference between your comment vs the other person’s comment, then it’s hopeless to talk to you. |
ejleonMar 15, 11:23 AM
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
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@ejleon
I mean fair enough, but you are being a dick by claiming their opinions on a show is invalid. You are jumping the gun, so to speak. If you want to encourage discussion, be more tactful. Opinions cannot by their very nature be false. They of course can be based off of false premises and misconceptions but those render said opinions irrational, but not "false".
Accusing people of insincerity does nothing but invite anger and trouble.
In the end, you are not really "owed" an explanation as to why someone might feel negatively about a work. As I see it, forums are two things. Places to discuss, and places to post our opinions. Every opinion I post is not something I necessarily intend to lead to any discussion or follow-up. I post mostly because it is supposed to be for my own benefit, rather than anyone else. Because of this, I do not expect others to necessarily expound on their reasons, nor do I see it as something to really "care" about. Not everyone is a good critic, but that does not mean their feelings about a show are invalid.
You of course can and I argue should demand a higher degree of thought, but accusations of inauthenticity is most certainly not the way to go about it. Just ask. Not to be weird here, but you seem weirdly sensitive about others when they have different opinions than your own, and I just do not see why. Just something I noticed.
I mean fair enough, but you are being a dick by claiming their opinions on a show is invalid. You are jumping the gun, so to speak. If you want to encourage discussion, be more tactful. Opinions cannot by their very nature be false. They of course can be based off of false premises and misconceptions but those render said opinions irrational, but not "false".
Accusing people of insincerity does nothing but invite anger and trouble.
In the end, you are not really "owed" an explanation as to why someone might feel negatively about a work. As I see it, forums are two things. Places to discuss, and places to post our opinions. Every opinion I post is not something I necessarily intend to lead to any discussion or follow-up. I post mostly because it is supposed to be for my own benefit, rather than anyone else. Because of this, I do not expect others to necessarily expound on their reasons, nor do I see it as something to really "care" about. Not everyone is a good critic, but that does not mean their feelings about a show are invalid.
You of course can and I argue should demand a higher degree of thought, but accusations of inauthenticity is most certainly not the way to go about it. Just ask. Not to be weird here, but you seem weirdly sensitive about others when they have different opinions than your own, and I just do not see why. Just something I noticed.
| @PeripheralVision A word of caution on MAL, watch the words you use or you call people in the comments. I’m not going to report you for calling me a name, but there are mods that will delete your comment and give you a warning for the words you use. ——— Opinions can be false, but it doesn’t reveal that they are “irrational”, which means lacking the ability to reason or that their thinking is absurd. A person can say, “My opinion is that the Greek city of Athens did not exist.”, but there is evidence that Athens existed, so their opinion is false, but due to lack of knowledge, not do to them being irrational, and once they learn of that knowledge, that person should change their opinion. And this has nothing to do with people disagreeing with my own personal opinion / perspective. There are plenty of people that have disagreed with me on MAL, explained why, and even changed my mind about an anime, or we have agreed to disagree. So I take offense at your assumption about me. You can give a review of the anime, if you don’t other people to respond to you, but the forum is made to provide a space for people to have discussion. ——— The only thing worse than someone playing the “victim card”, is someone playing the “victim card” for another person, to defend them without having any evidence to support their perspective. Do you know this person that you can speak for them? Is that why you are being so defensive for them? You are already starting with the assumption that I’m wrong and they’re right, you are making excuses for them, and accusing me of being unreasonable and rude. I haven’t seen you talk to the other person at all nor have you asked them questions, like I suggested. Is that what you call being fair? At this point, you have no clue, if they are not doing what I’m accusing them of, nor do you have any evidence that my perspective is wrong. I am speaking from experience, especially in speaking to multiple people that acted exactly like that person, specifically for this anime, as well as other anime. I will take what you said into consideration, but I will keep my own counsel on whom I trust. |
ejleonMar 15, 11:26 AM
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ejleon said:
@ChallengerUPC
Did you not read where I said “giving general comments” vs “presenting specific details about the anime”?
If you can’t tell the difference between your comment vs the other person’s comment, then it’s hopeless to talk to you.
@ChallengerUPC
Did you not read where I said “giving general comments” vs “presenting specific details about the anime”?
If you can’t tell the difference between your comment vs the other person’s comment, then it’s hopeless to talk to you.
Did you not read where I said I was referring to the entire season? Since you refuse to get the inference, I'm saying take your pick.
Also I don't know who "the other person" is but I'm not sure what ever gave you hope talking to me about this when I said I disliked every major aspect of the season full stop. You were barking up the wrong tree to begin with my guy. Maybe this could be a lesson to you about choosing your battles or something
Edit: Ah I see the other follow-up posts now. Doesn't change anything but I had missed them
| @ChallengerUPC You and the other person were speaking about the same things, you both didn’t like the anime, but you did exactly what I said about presenting examples and explaining what you disliked, while the other person just gave general comments saying “bad”. There is a major difference. I didn’t have hope in talking to you, I said it’s a waste of my time trying to explain anything to you, because you can’t even see the different between your comment and the other person’s comment. So I’m not going to try to get you to understand. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Natedog22 said: Personally, I disliked it because it felt like they lost the plot. The entire season felt more like one big filler episode rather than a continuation of s1. If I don’t take s1 into account, id probably have given it a better score; but the pacing was just so much unnecessarily slower that it was a slog to watch. May I ask you, what is the plot you are thinking was lost? I thought the plot was the hero’s fighting the waves. |
| Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating. |
Natedog22 said: ejleon said: May I ask you, what is the plot you are thinking was lost? I thought the plot was the hero’s fighting the waves. Precisely, so going to another other world to fight a mad scientist and then coming back to the original other world to fight a giant tortoise instead of the waves has little relevance to the original objectives of the heroes. I even liked the mini-arc where raphtalia has to fend for herself in the Japan rip-off world and gets some nice character development, but the other half of the season just goes nowhere for way too long. Actually… What that other worlder did was force a false wave to occur, disrupting the timing of the waves, so that needed to be stopped. And the spirit tortoise protects the world from the waves by making a protective barrier, so it still had to do with the waves, expect this time the spirit tortoise was not killed correcting by the previous four heroes, so it came back in a more terrible form, meaning it was necessary to kill it to save people’s lives. The rest of the archs also had to do with the waves as well. I watched the seasons all with the same mindset of “the heroes need to help with the waves”, and the anime has stayed true to that. |
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