The rating finally fell again

Jun 1, 2022 9:50 PM

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Damn it! We were so close! The rating held at 7.51 for a full 6 months before falling to 7.50. I was hoping that this stock had finally found a soft floor. It's not all bad news though. At least my trashy favorite is still 0.05 higher than Rebel Panda's beloved Future Diary.

Brothers in terrible anime taste. We have fallen to 7.50, but no more. This is where we make our stand. I hereby issue trash taste order no. 227: "Not one fucking step back!". We don't need to make a ridiculous 0.50 comeback like Beast Player Erin. All we need is to hold this line at 7.50. A shitty Elfen Lied fanfic is more popular in my country than all of anime. I work in an office where every person thinks anime is for freaks and yet they ALL love Stranger Things. We have the numbers. We have power of shitty taste casuals on our side. We will hold this line. They shall not pass!

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Jun 1, 2022 10:15 PM

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this anime is good but it all comes down to people

Jun 1, 2022 10:21 PM

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This anime is good, but i think the gore and more mature themes throw some people off and thats why it gets rated lower, i suspect it will still drop as time goes on just because peoples taste is different nowadays compared to when this came out (i watched it like 2 months ago myself and found it kinda weird to start but it got better once i got into the story more)

Jun 1, 2022 10:57 PM

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Goddamn it! This show falls to 7.50 while Madoka Magica remains higher?! This is unbelievable! My shitty anime taste is much better than those who believe that Madoka is God in anime and in life and I will not be defeated by those who hold Future Diary and Seven Deadly Sins season 3 as higher than my beloved Lucy! I will find their dogs for sure!

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Jun 2, 2022 12:50 AM

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thomaseh03 said:
This anime is good, but i think the gore and more mature themes throw some people off and thats why it gets rated lower, i suspect it will still drop as time goes on just because peoples taste is different nowadays compared to when this came out (i watched it like 2 months ago myself and found it kinda weird to start but it got better once i got into the story more)

Personally, the gore elements were the main reason why I liked this anime from the beginning. It all comes down to personal preferences and I'm always down for that kind of thing. Though being completely honest, I don't care about its score and even think that the current rating is appropriate.

Jun 2, 2022 12:51 AM

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I didn't liked Elfen Lied, but not because of the "gore and more mature themes". It's mostly because the characters are poorly writen, one-dimensional and retarded.

Jun 2, 2022 12:51 AM

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oh no, what will we do!?

Jun 2, 2022 12:52 AM

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The anime would’ve been better if the director was also a main character.

Jun 2, 2022 1:48 AM

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you have some serious issues honestly 😂
why would you even keep track of that

Jun 2, 2022 6:10 AM

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The Anime was entertaining, but skips important details. Read the Manga. Wait nvm...you rated it 4 stars!?!?!?

Jun 2, 2022 7:05 AM

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Kashiv_97 said:
The Anime was entertaining, but skips important details. Read the Manga. Wait nvm...you rated it 4 stars!?!?!?

its not entertaining at all imo

Jun 2, 2022 9:51 AM

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I can respect the dedication for raising the score for this anime with an incest subplot ✊

Jun 2, 2022 10:20 AM

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Sort of. Cousin marriage isn't actually considered incest in Japan, which is why it shows up in a number of older anime. Although it was already in steep decline 20 years ago and is certainly not super common in Japan today, it remains legal nationwide. Also, it's the manga fandom that are Kouta x Yuka. The anime fandom is overwhelmingly Kouta x Lucy. Which is a wholesome relationship with nothing wrong about it. Manga fans: "Um...actually it's far more problematic than our ship considering Lucy..." Anime fans: "NOTHING WRONG!"

Jun 2, 2022 10:24 AM

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literaturenerd said:
@ftvdeadmark

Sort of. Cousin marriage isn't actually considered incest in Japan, which is why it shows up in a number of older anime. Although it was already in steep decline 20 years ago and is certainly not super common in Japan today, it remains legal nationwide. Also, it's the manga fandom that are Kouta x Yuka. The anime fandom is overwhelmingly Kouta x Lucy. Which is a wholesome relationship with nothing wrong about it. Manga fans: "Um...actually it's far more problematic than our ship considering Lucy..." Anime fans: "NOTHING WRONG!"

Ngl I do prefer Kouta X Yuka and I’ve only watched the anime. Cousins for LYFE

Jun 2, 2022 12:35 PM

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I love this anime but it hardly deserves 7.5 score lol

Jun 2, 2022 3:40 PM

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ftvdeadmark said:

Ngl I do prefer Kouta X Yuka and I’ve only watched the anime. Cousins for LYFE

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Jun 2, 2022 3:41 PM

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HarzH said:
Literaturenerd, I didn't except you to care about MAL ratings. But anyways, I do believe this show had some good themes.

It's just a shitpost thread. I don't really care about the rating.

Jun 2, 2022 7:33 PM

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Though it's pretty flawed, I do consider EL a great anime.
Seinen in general are quite underated at MAL... Probably the demographics?

Jun 3, 2022 1:01 PM

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Adjusted my rating from 8 down to 1. Doing my part to represent the show properly.

Jun 3, 2022 6:12 PM

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@rakka99

Lord Morbius shall Morb your eternal soul for this transgression!

Jun 3, 2022 6:14 PM

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The fact we're the same age is truly cringe

Jun 3, 2022 6:19 PM

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Greetings fellow old person!

Jun 3, 2022 6:38 PM

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Should be atleast 6 for me

Jun 3, 2022 8:15 PM

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Perfectly natural to defend one's favourite trash, I guess, and stalk its rating for months.

Jun 4, 2022 2:58 AM

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Lol trashy? Shit is a classy and gruesome at the same time. And also MAL ratings don’t mean shit unless you’re a retard.

Jun 4, 2022 7:43 AM

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I hate this show, dispite me liking gore and mature themes and me hating this show isn't changing any time soon. People hate this show because it's covers mature themes pretty badly and the amount of blood shown here is laughable. I'm not saying you shouldn't enjoy this show. I'm just saying why people hate it

Jun 4, 2022 11:01 AM

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The blood in Elfen Lied is definitely ridiculous, but I find it has a certain appeal. Yasuomi Umetsu, who is responsible for Elfen Lied’s blood spatter, honed his craft directing and animating schlock like Kite and Mezzo Forte. Umetsu wants to use animation to capture the visuals of 1970s Japanese cinema, whose gore was trying to one up the gore of 1960s American and British schlock horror. If you’ve ever seen Lady Snowblood, every cut creates a broken fire hydrant of fake looking blood. The same movies that inspired Kill Bill are also responsible for Umetsu’s style.

Jun 4, 2022 12:18 PM

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@literaturenerd

I respect the hustle. Keep fighting the good fight brotha. Aim for that .01 score increase!

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Jun 4, 2022 3:58 PM

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Absolutely horrifying. If this falls below 7.50, I WILL blow my brains out! (Just like all those people in the first episode XDDD)

This is the kind of dark humor I love

Jun 4, 2022 3:59 PM

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I feel old. I watched this when I was teenager, and that was almost 10 years ago.

Jun 4, 2022 4:55 PM

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literaturenerd said:
@Special_Jed

The blood in Elfen Lied is definitely ridiculous, but I find it has a certain appeal. Yasuomi Umetsu, who is responsible for Elfen Lied’s blood spatter, honed his craft directing and animating schlock like Kite and Mezzo Forte. Umetsu wants to use animation to capture the visuals of 1970s Japanese cinema, whose gore was trying to one up the gore of 1960s American and British schlock horror. If you’ve ever seen Lady Snowblood, every cut creates a broken fire hydrant of fake looking blood. The same movies that inspired Kill Bill are also responsible for Umetsu’s style.

That's a really cool reference

Jun 12, 2022 2:01 PM

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I think anyone who likes this show is morally comprised so I am really happy that more people think this show is trash. Maybe there is a future for humanity

Jun 12, 2022 6:47 PM

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There are many reasons to dislike Elfen Lied. There's the cheap animation, the bad pacing of the anime, and the horrendous source manga, which lends some of its issues to the anime. However, I've never heard anyone say that the fandom is immoral. We've been called casual trash, low IQ, uncultured, etc. Immoral is a new one. Can you explain your position?

Jun 14, 2022 7:00 PM

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@literaturenerd It features a lot of naked underage girls for one, two the main point of the show is for the author to show off all the fetishes they like. Also the only people who like the show are people who watched when they were 14 so if this show gets forget to time it would make the world a better place.

Jun 14, 2022 7:09 PM

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Bruh who care's about Elfen Lied in 2022 lol
You either love it or hate it it seems

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Jun 15, 2022 2:25 PM

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While I certainly appreciate that the series is highly flawed and many dislike it, I don't feel these criticisms are entirely fair.

1. Yes, the show does have underage nudity. It would be better if it didn't. I'm glad that modern anime stopped doing that. However, this isn't a flaw unique to Elfen Lied. If you watch anime from 2005 and older, you're going to see a lot of underage nudity. Princess Tutu shows her magical girl nipples in every transformation. Kid Goku has his little dong out in almost every episode of the original Dragonball. If underage nudity wasn't judged to be explicitly sexual in nature, it was basically considered fair game back then. If you got into anime watching Attack on Titan or Demon Slayer, it's going to be really awkward watching old ass anime. I'm sorry! Is the Elfen Lied fandom "morally compromised" AKA pedophiles? No, not really. The stereotypical Elfen Lied fan is a 15 year old goth girl who shops at Hot Topic and lacks "Patrician taste". The anime fandoms with the worst pedophile problems are Cardcaptor Sakura, Ojamajo Doremi, and Pretty Cure.

2. Displaying various fetishes is not the main point of the show. This would be a far more relevant criticism of the Elfen lied manga. The anime cuts down the fetish fuel from the manga by over 90% but a few scenes still managed to sneak in. Thus, the completely pointless scene of Nyuu pissing herself.

3. Personally, I first watched Elfen Lied when I was 18. Maybe some people watched it at 14, but there isn't an anime in existence where the average first watch age is over 20. Do you think Zoomers wait until 30 to watch Galactic Heroes and get praised online for having good taste? You think they just watch trash and eat online abuse for 15 years? Fuck no! MAL users are all watching Lain and Texhnolyze by age 14. That doesn't have any impact on the quality of the shows themselves.

Jun 15, 2022 2:32 PM

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Those fools who rate this show low will never understand what good anime actually is. I am just kidding tho I really appreciate how Elfen lied boosted the popularity of anime in its era and even if it is a controversial anime, the shock elements in this show are great.

If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.

Jun 15, 2022 5:25 PM

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Don't care, I still think it's great

Jun 17, 2022 6:55 PM

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@literaturenerd I didn't say you were a pedo for liking the show calm down, I said morely compremised as a joke I do not believe that liking this show makes you a bad person I just hate all the fetish shit in this show

It is a huge gap in logic to claim that any of the scenes in elfen leid where underage characters are being fetishized are comparable to those other examples you listed.

Kid goku wiener is mostly a gag and far from the the stuff in dragon that has aged the worst.

Princess tutu transformations aren't great but they are far from bad, there isn't any nipples and I've certainly never thought it was sexual in any way.

Compared to the multiple scenes in elfen leid where underage characters are naked and being sexualized for the authors enjoyment. It really seems like you are reaching here man.

Jun 17, 2022 7:49 PM

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I'm on your side that Elfen Lied has way too much underage nudity. Any underage nudity is honestly too much. However, I don't see it as an unreasonable leap in logic to say that Elfen Lied's nudity issues weren't all that unique during its own time. One reason I say this is that I remember the discussions critics and casual viewers had about Elfen Lied when it came out. There were always people who said it was too edgy. There were always people criticizing the melodrama and often absurd blood. It was a polarizing show even back then. However, nobody was saying "Ew, this show has naked girls who are underage! That doesn't happen in other anime!" Nobody said that because in 2005 that would be a patently ridiculous statement.

Jun 18, 2022 8:52 PM

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@literaturenerd
You realize that it is not 2005 right? I'm criticizing this show because I hate it in current day.

I just really don't understand why you are are defending the weird fetish shit in this show. I am curious what are some other examples of shows this popular with nudity issues on the same level as elfen lied.

Jun 18, 2022 10:31 PM

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I'm not saying the nudity is justified or defending its thematic/artistic merit. I think EL's use of underage nudity is indeed a flaw. While the idea of the research facility denying the mutants clothing and thus denying their Humanity makes sense thematically, explicitly showing this underage nudity onscreen including all the nipple and ass shots is just plain dumb.

What I wished to do was provide context into the anime culture of the time. If Elfen Lied were released in 2022 in its current form, all people would talk about is the nudity. Any EL fans would immediately be labeled as pedophiles. So why didn't that happen in 2005? The answer is that underage nudity and sadly even sexualizing underage characters was quite prevalent in older anime. Look at Evangelion, arguably the most popular anime in history. Rei and Asuka are 14 years old, which is the same age as Mayu and Nana in Elfen Lied. Do we see Rei and Asuka naked? Yes. Were they ever sexualized in the series? I mean...why do you think the plug suits exist? Did Gainax make TONS of sexy figurines and otaku merch for grown men to jerk off to Rei and Asuka? Absolutely they did. This doesn't mean that everything about Eva is automatically trash now and the millions of people who like it are all pedophiles. The same year that Elfen Lied came out, there was a very popular harem anime called Shuffle that featured a 12-year-old loli character and it showed her fully nude repeatedly. This unfortunately all stems from the fact that Japan was very slow to catch up the Western world in protecting minors from exploitation. Real life child pornography was finally outlawed in Japan in 1999, but nude modeling of underage models including nude children continued into the 2000s. I'm talking about real children, not comics and cartoons.

Personally, I like to examine works of art within the context of their own time period. I also may not hate a work of media in its entirety due to the presence of an element I find objectionable. Creepy underage nudity in old anime is sort of like racism in old literature. It's unfortunate, but it's there. We can choose to look past it, or we can judge it with our current standards and say "Lovecraft's work was dogshit because he was a racist!" You have the right to that opinion. Although if you go around calling Lovecraft fans morally compromised, racist assholes then you might get some people mad at you.

Jun 18, 2022 11:54 PM

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I really don't think you understand my argument, evangelion has weird fetish shit in it but it is no where near the level of elfen lied. I haven't seen any show with the same amount of popularity of elfen lied that has as much fetish shit. You prove my point by bringing up Shuffle a show no one has heard of to make a comparison. As far as I know there is no show with any relevance that is comparable to elfen lied.

Please stop dancing around the issue, a show can have obvious flaws and you can still enjoy it. I love evangelion despite the fact the story is a complete mess that Anno was never in control of. So instead of defending elfen lied just accept its a gore fetish show for 14 year olds.

Jun 19, 2022 12:05 PM

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If you want a super mainstream anime that came from a Shonen Jump manga and has exactly as much nudity as Elfen Lied, I'll concede I can't think of any off the top of my head.

If Elfen Lied were actually popular and mainstream, we wouldn't be having this little discussion. Stranger Things, which took inspiration from Elfen Lied, is popular. I don't defend Stranger Things and I never will. Elfen Lied is a show that had cult popularity with a relatively small but very devoted fanbase 20 years ago. If you want to attack overrated garbage for 14 year olds, go over to an Attack on Titan thread and insult those guys. You can play the big dick elitist and say stuff like "Attack on Titan is so stupid it qualifies as degenerate art and its fanbase are degenerates." You'll get attacked by 300 rabid teenagers and it will be good sport. Nobody gets hurt. Elfen Lied on the other hand, is one of the most widely shit on anime online and its fandom has been so bullied that their online presence is absolutely tiny. If anyone dares mention they like Elfen Lied in a thread, they get responses from 30 other people telling them they're stupid and have bad taste and should kill themselves. When 1 pseudo-intellectual, elitist prick tries to insult 300 teenage fanboys it's funny. When 30 of them team up to beat down on a 23-year-old girl with depression, it's just cruel.

So why would I defend this show? It's not just because it's my favorite anime of all time. It is my favorite anime of all time, but I don't constantly try to defend my favorite books, films, music, etc. I defend Elfen Lied because it's a flawed gem that has some genuine merits and was hugely impactful for a small group of people. Yet it gets SOO much hate and nitpicking when other targets more deserving of ridicule (hello Attack on Titan) largely escape unscathed. So, I won't "accept it's a gore fetish show for kids" because for me and our small fandom it obviously isn't.

Jun 23, 2022 8:16 AM

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literaturenerd said:
@YayakaChan

If you want a super mainstream anime that came from a Shonen Jump manga and has exactly as much nudity as Elfen Lied, I'll concede I can't think of any off the top of my head.

If Elfen Lied were actually popular and mainstream, we wouldn't be having this little discussion. Stranger Things, which took inspiration from Elfen Lied, is popular. I don't defend Stranger Things and I never will. Elfen Lied is a show that had cult popularity with a relatively small but very devoted fanbase 20 years ago. If you want to attack overrated garbage for 14 year olds, go over to an Attack on Titan thread and insult those guys. You can play the big dick elitist and say stuff like "Attack on Titan is so stupid it qualifies as degenerate art and its fanbase are degenerates." You'll get attacked by 300 rabid teenagers and it will be good sport. Nobody gets hurt. Elfen Lied on the other hand, is one of the most widely shit on anime online and its fandom has been so bullied that their online presence is absolutely tiny. If anyone dares mention they like Elfen Lied in a thread, they get responses from 30 other people telling them they're stupid and have bad taste and should kill themselves. When 1 pseudo-intellectual, elitist prick tries to insult 300 teenage fanboys it's funny. When 30 of them team up to beat down on a 23-year-old girl with depression, it's just cruel.

So why would I defend this show? It's not just because it's my favorite anime of all time. It is my favorite anime of all time, but I don't constantly try to defend my favorite books, films, music, etc. I defend Elfen Lied because it's a flawed gem that has some genuine merits and was hugely impactful for a small group of people. Yet it gets SOO much hate and nitpicking when other targets more deserving of ridicule (hello Attack on Titan) largely escape unscathed. So, I won't "accept it's a gore fetish show for kids" because for me and our small fandom it obviously isn't.

Wasn't Elfen Lied one of the most popular anime after its release or am I wrong?

Jun 23, 2022 12:19 PM

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Kind of depends on where you live. Elfen Lied was very popular in Latin America, especially Mexico during the mid 2000s. In the United States, which is my country, it never achieved true mainstream status like Code Geass or Attack on Titan or Inuyasha. That’s because it never aired on Adult Swim, which is where the largest number of casual fans watched their anime back then. Since EL wasn’t on TV, you had to rent it from Netflix disk by disk, watch bad fansubs on a 2006 streaming site, or buy the series. However, anime was expensive as shit back then! I paid 60 dollars for the set in 2006 and thought that was an amazing deal! It was the only anime I owned on DVD for many years. Fortunately, collecting anime is much easier now. You can go to any used media store in America and buy all of Lain for 10 dollars or Patlabor 2 for 3 dollars or Eva for 20-25 on Bluray. It’s awesome! I live in the redneck part of America where the anime fandom is near extinct, so there’s no demand and prices are low.

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