Sword Art Online (light novel)
| I find it funny how SAO is the one that made isekai popular, but MAL doesn't conider it as isekai. |
| Imagine normies saying: "Peaky Blinders is mid and overhyped. Just another typical crime drama show. Breaking Bad is much better lol.". |
| No it is Not an Isekai but a Sci-Fi, Fantasy anime. Because their body exists in the real world, the game takes place in their mind. To simply put it in, think of it as a dream. Like you are sleeping and in your dream you are in a fantasy world. So, did you get it now why it is not an Isekai? |
| Please watch Sword Art Online Progressive, it's the peak of SAO. |
Anayan_Kashyap said: No it is Not an Isekai but a Sci-Fi, Fantasy anime. Because their body exists in the real world, the game takes place in their mind. To simply put it in, think of it as a dream. Like you are sleeping and in your dream you are in a fantasy world. So, did you get it now why it is not an Isekai? Straight of the isekai wikipedia page…. So, did you get it now why it is an isekai?  |
I like when SAO haters call it an isekai/harem when it’s neither of them. They try to use the worst perceived genres to hate on it. I’ve always been telling people this  |
| The right mindset when watching an anime is hoping that it will break your top 10 |
SparCy said: Wikipedia says doesn't mean it is. Also it doesn't say it "IS AN ISEKAI" it says it just made the genre popular. Moreover it's just people who is editing the page. Sometimes people confuses Isekai with typical fantasy, just like psycological with horror. At the time SAO was released, people didn't know much about isekai, and started babbling nonsense about SAO being an Isekai.Anayan_Kashyap said: No it is Not an Isekai but a Sci-Fi, Fantasy anime. Because their body exists in the real world, the game takes place in their mind. To simply put it in, think of it as a dream. Like you are sleeping and in your dream you are in a fantasy world. So, did you get it now why it is not an Isekai? Straight of the isekai wikipedia page…. So, did you get it now why it is an isekai? |
| Please watch Sword Art Online Progressive, it's the peak of SAO. |
Anayan_Kashyap said: Wikipedia says doesn't mean it is. Also it doesn't say it "IS AN ISEKAI" it says it just made the genre popular. Moreover it's just people who is editing the page. Sometimes people confuses Isekai with typical fantasy, just like psycological with horror. At the time SAO was released, people didn't know much about isekai, and started babbling nonsense about SAO being an Isekai. All isekai mean is “another world” which is literally the premise of the whole show. Isekai’s don’t have to be reincarnation there are multiple different types. If someone is transported to another world is is an isekai. Therefore sao is an isekai  |
| Bro you are misleading the theme of the show. It's not "Isekai have multiple different types" it's actually what "Fantasy shows have multiple different parts" and there was nothing like Isekai before, it's just something anime fans made up. SAO is a Fantasy Sci-Fi LN series and in the whole show they go to another world and come back whenever they want, and that's not how Isekai show works, it's just defying the definition of Isekai. Isekai is a sub-genre of Fantasy if you want to put it that way, and SAO got nothing like that. Might have some similarities in Alicization but it's totally wrong to call it an Isekai. If you call it that way, Isn't Fate series an Isekai too?? Because it's actually more of an Isekai than SAO. And what about Dragon Ball, isn't that an Isekai? And Bleach, what about the Afterworld, not an Isekai?? |
| Please watch Sword Art Online Progressive, it's the peak of SAO. |
official_brown said: I like when SAO haters call it an isekai/harem when it’s neither of them. They try to use the worst perceived genres to hate on it. I’ve always been telling people this isekai isn't a genre, its a theme, and it means "another world", so by definition, sao is an isekai |
official_brown said: I like when SAO haters call it an isekai/harem when it’s neither of them. They try to use the worst perceived genres to hate on it. I’ve always been telling people this You say that as if being an Isekai was a bad thing. Digimon Adventure would be an Isekai and it's pretty good. |
| Isekai technically isn't a genre. It's more of a trope or sub-genre that involves characters shifting to a different "world". This doesn't necessarily mean an alternate universe, it includes game worlds as well. SAO uses this trope multiple times and hence is an isekai. |
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Anayan_Kashyap said: Bro you are misleading the theme of the show. It's not "Isekai have multiple different types" it's actually what "Fantasy shows have multiple different parts" and there was nothing like Isekai before, it's just something anime fans made up. SAO is a Fantasy Sci-Fi LN series and in the whole show they go to another world and come back whenever they want, and that's not how Isekai show works, it's just defying the definition of Isekai. Isekai is a sub-genre of Fantasy if you want to put it that way, and SAO got nothing like that. Might have some similarities in Alicization but it's totally wrong to call it an Isekai. If you call it that way, Isn't Fate series an Isekai too?? Because it's actually more of an Isekai than SAO. And what about Dragon Ball, isn't that an Isekai? And Bleach, what about the Afterworld, not an Isekai?? “Defying the definition of an Isekai”, man the only definition of a isekai is “another world”. So I don’t see how that is defying anything. Whoever said it has to be a reincarnation? nobody cause isekai is a fan made term and is not an actual genre, it is just used to categorise media with a similar main them of another world. What do all isekai have in common? they are about escaping their reality into a new one. Fate isn’t an isekai as going to other worlds isn’t the point of the show. It’s the fight for the holy grail. You could technically say grand order is an isekai but thats up to you. Dragon ball at is core is about martial arts, not about going to other planets and other worlds that is only part of it not it’s main focus. Also it is not escaping there reality in dragon ball. As it is part of there already existing universe. Bleach is an isekai? Eh I’ll let gigguk handle that one (see picture below) SAO just wouldn’t be a thing if it didn’t have the other world aspect meaning it is an isekai. Sao, Alo, Ggo and Pa are all are about escaping from reality, being someone you are not even if it is only for a short while. You can still call it not one if you are really that stubborn but just so you know, your wrong. But that okay, people are allowed to be wrong. In conclusion all isekai means is “another world” as long as it encompasses this as it’s main and the show can’t exist without that aspect, then it is considered an isekai. You don’t need reincarnation, you don’t need it to be a fantasy, you don’t need to be trapped in that other world, also long as there is that central core of another world, it is by definition an isekai. Thanks (the bleach thing is a joke, it’s clearly not an isekai as they are not escaping there reality as the soul society and hueco mundo are in there reality.)  |
SparCy said: Anayan_Kashyap said: Bro you are misleading the theme of the show. It's not "Isekai have multiple different types" it's actually what "Fantasy shows have multiple different parts" and there was nothing like Isekai before, it's just something anime fans made up. SAO is a Fantasy Sci-Fi LN series and in the whole show they go to another world and come back whenever they want, and that's not how Isekai show works, it's just defying the definition of Isekai. Isekai is a sub-genre of Fantasy if you want to put it that way, and SAO got nothing like that. Might have some similarities in Alicization but it's totally wrong to call it an Isekai. If you call it that way, Isn't Fate series an Isekai too?? Because it's actually more of an Isekai than SAO. And what about Dragon Ball, isn't that an Isekai? And Bleach, what about the Afterworld, not an Isekai?? “Defying the definition of an Isekai”, man the only definition of a isekai is “another world”. So I don’t see how that is defying anything. Whoever said it has to be a reincarnation? nobody cause isekai is a fan made term and is not an actual genre, it is just used to categorise media with a similar main them of another world. What do all isekai have in common? they are about escaping their reality into a new one. Fate isn’t an isekai as going to other worlds isn’t the point of the show. It’s the fight for the holy grail. You could technically say grand order is an isekai but thats up to you. Dragon ball at is core is about martial arts, not about going to other planets and other worlds that is only part of it not it’s main focus. Also it is not escaping there reality in dragon ball. As it is part of there already existing universe. Bleach is an isekai? Eh I’ll let gigguk handle that one (see picture below) SAO just wouldn’t be a thing if it didn’t have the other world aspect meaning it is an isekai. Sao, Alo, Ggo and Pa are all are about escaping from reality, being someone you are not even if it is only for a short while. You can still call it not one if you are really that stubborn but just so you know, your wrong. But that okay, people are allowed to be wrong. In conclusion all isekai means is “another world” as long as it encompasses this as it’s main and the show can’t exist without that aspect, then it is considered an isekai. You don’t need reincarnation, you don’t need it to be a fantasy, you don’t need to be trapped in that other world, also long as there is that central core of another world, it is by definition an isekai. Thanks (the bleach thing is a joke, it’s clearly not an isekai as they are not escaping there reality as the soul society and hueco mundo are in there reality.) lmao Garnt is funny I don't think he's ever even completed bleach |
SparCy said: Anayan_Kashyap said: Bro you are misleading the theme of the show. It's not "Isekai have multiple different types" it's actually what "Fantasy shows have multiple different parts" and there was nothing like Isekai before, it's just something anime fans made up. SAO is a Fantasy Sci-Fi LN series and in the whole show they go to another world and come back whenever they want, and that's not how Isekai show works, it's just defying the definition of Isekai. Isekai is a sub-genre of Fantasy if you want to put it that way, and SAO got nothing like that. Might have some similarities in Alicization but it's totally wrong to call it an Isekai. If you call it that way, Isn't Fate series an Isekai too?? Because it's actually more of an Isekai than SAO. And what about Dragon Ball, isn't that an Isekai? And Bleach, what about the Afterworld, not an Isekai?? “Defying the definition of an Isekai”, man the only definition of a isekai is “another world”. So I don’t see how that is defying anything. Whoever said it has to be a reincarnation? nobody cause isekai is a fan made term and is not an actual genre, it is just used to categorise media with a similar main them of another world. What do all isekai have in common? they are about escaping their reality into a new one. Fate isn’t an isekai as going to other worlds isn’t the point of the show. It’s the fight for the holy grail. You could technically say grand order is an isekai but thats up to you. Dragon ball at is core is about martial arts, not about going to other planets and other worlds that is only part of it not it’s main focus. Also it is not escaping there reality in dragon ball. As it is part of there already existing universe. Bleach is an isekai? Eh I’ll let gigguk handle that one (see picture below) SAO just wouldn’t be a thing if it didn’t have the other world aspect meaning it is an isekai. Sao, Alo, Ggo and Pa are all are about escaping from reality, being someone you are not even if it is only for a short while. You can still call it not one if you are really that stubborn but just so you know, your wrong. But that okay, people are allowed to be wrong. In conclusion all isekai means is “another world” as long as it encompasses this as it’s main and the show can’t exist without that aspect, then it is considered an isekai. You don’t need reincarnation, you don’t need it to be a fantasy, you don’t need to be trapped in that other world, also long as there is that central core of another world, it is by definition an isekai. Thanks (the bleach thing is a joke, it’s clearly not an isekai as they are not escaping there reality as the soul society and hueco mundo are in there reality.) Bro read before tapping. Wdym escaping reality. Bleach clearly have another world concept, so does Dragon Ball and bunch of other show. Doesn't matter if that's not the main theme, but it have another world concept like u r saying. And for fate, all those Servants are either from mythology or created, there's heaven hell concept during Medusa which is clearly linked with another world. You are just agreeing and denying your own opinion. SAO have nothing like Escaping except the Aincrad arc. They just go to the Virtual world and comes back by their own will after 15eps. And What about the sci-fi mechanism?? Moreover they never go to any another world, their physical body still exists irl. Haven't you watched s2 how XaXa brothers kills their victims irl while they are on Full dive, and tell me about Ordinal Scale. So an Isekai? It's just their consciousness, their mind which shows them the virtual world. The Full Dive technology shows them the computer-created "virtual world INSIDE THEIR BRAINS" . It's 'NOT BRAINS INSIDE ANOTHER WORLD' . It's more like dreaming what everyone experiences. |
| Please watch Sword Art Online Progressive, it's the peak of SAO. |
| There is a difference between playing vidya and getting transported to another universe, hence why MAL also has the Video Game theme. |
Anayan_Kashyap said: SparCy said: “Defying the definition of an Isekai”, man the only definition of a isekai is “another world”. So I don’t see how that is defying anything. Whoever said it has to be a reincarnation? nobody cause isekai is a fan made term and is not an actual genre, it is just used to categorise media with a similar main them of another world. What do all isekai have in common? they are about escaping their reality into a new one. Fate isn’t an isekai as going to other worlds isn’t the point of the show. It’s the fight for the holy grail. You could technically say grand order is an isekai but thats up to you. Dragon ball at is core is about martial arts, not about going to other planets and other worlds that is only part of it not it’s main focus. Also it is not escaping there reality in dragon ball. As it is part of there already existing universe. Bleach is an isekai? Eh I’ll let gigguk handle that one (see picture below) SAO just wouldn’t be a thing if it didn’t have the other world aspect meaning it is an isekai. Sao, Alo, Ggo and Pa are all are about escaping from reality, being someone you are not even if it is only for a short while. You can still call it not one if you are really that stubborn but just so you know, your wrong. But that okay, people are allowed to be wrong. In conclusion all isekai means is “another world” as long as it encompasses this as it’s main and the show can’t exist without that aspect, then it is considered an isekai. You don’t need reincarnation, you don’t need it to be a fantasy, you don’t need to be trapped in that other world, also long as there is that central core of another world, it is by definition an isekai. Thanks (the bleach thing is a joke, it’s clearly not an isekai as they are not escaping there reality as the soul society and hueco mundo are in there reality.) Bro read before tapping. Wdym escaping reality. Bleach clearly have another world concept, so does Dragon Ball and bunch of other show. Doesn't matter if that's not the main theme, but it have another world concept like u r saying. And for fate, all those Servants are either from mythology or created, there's heaven hell concept during Medusa which is clearly linked with another world. You are just agreeing and denying your own opinion. SAO have nothing like Escaping except the Aincrad arc. They just go to the Virtual world and comes back by their own will after 15eps. And What about the sci-fi mechanism?? Moreover they never go to any another world, their physical body still exists irl. Haven't you watched s2 how XaXa brothers kills their victims irl while they are on Full dive, and tell me about Ordinal Scale. So an Isekai? It's just their consciousness, their mind which shows them the virtual world. The Full Dive technology shows them the computer-created "virtual world INSIDE THEIR BRAINS" . It's 'NOT BRAINS INSIDE ANOTHER WORLD' . It's more like dreaming what everyone experiences. At the end of the day isekai is a fan made term, meaning it is very subjective. So you can have your opinion about sao not being an isekai that’s up to you. There evidence to disprove your claim, but it is so subjective that anyone can just ignore/deny it to support there own opinions. At the end of the day isekai does just mean another world, but it’s up to you to define what another world actually means in fiction. I think it means any other world/verse created in a story as the main narrative/plot point. And you define it as a fantasy world that is not the original world of the story. So it’s fine we don’t have to agree that chill. Thanks for this weird ass rant where we just shouted the same points over and over again at each other for no reason. (Also just out of curiosity what are you overall opinions on sao?) |
| @SparCy You never answered any of my questions and being firm with your own opinion doesn't give the answer, I asked your opinions about about Ordinal Scale, Alicization, Full Dive Sci-Fi mechanism of SAO, and all these are what what doesn't make it an Isekai. But if you want to end this conversation i would be glad. And for what I think about SAO, please msg on my wall, I would like to chat there as that is off-topic. |
| Please watch Sword Art Online Progressive, it's the peak of SAO. |
Kaiokek said: wrong, as soon as a character is transported to a different world/reality, just like in sword art online, re:zero, no game no life, shield hero, mushoku tensei, it is an isekai, it is the definition of isekai. although it doesn't really matter, SAO is kinda bad So u r comparing NGNL with SAO? In NGNL are disappeared from real world and gets transported in another world. If you are saying isekai means 'transported to a different world/reality' then that applies to all those shows you mentioned except SAO. Because they never gets transported to any fantasy world. Because they are just unconscious in real world. Because transport means transfer from one place to another but they just lie in their bed and everything happens inside their mind, and they can even feel loud noise and even their body while they are unconscious. |
| Please watch Sword Art Online Progressive, it's the peak of SAO. |
| Who tf trusts Wikipedia these days? And No. SAO IS NOT AN ISEKAI. |
| SAO is not really a isekai throughout since after the 1st arc they are pretty much just playing VR games. The 1st arc actually allows a case to be made since they are trapped, but after that it would lose such a tag. |
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SparCy said: Anayan_Kashyap said: Wikipedia says doesn't mean it is. Also it doesn't say it "IS AN ISEKAI" it says it just made the genre popular. Moreover it's just people who is editing the page. Sometimes people confuses Isekai with typical fantasy, just like psycological with horror. At the time SAO was released, people didn't know much about isekai, and started babbling nonsense about SAO being an Isekai. All isekai mean is “another world” which is literally the premise of the whole show. Isekai’s don’t have to be reincarnation there are multiple different types. If someone is transported to another world is is an isekai. Therefore sao is an isekai Lol that means dr stone could be considered an isekai, because although they don't travel to another world they do end up in a world that is very different from the modern world. |
Houtblokje said: well no as there world is still theres just in the future.SparCy said: All isekai mean is “another world” which is literally the premise of the whole show. Isekai’s don’t have to be reincarnation there are multiple different types. If someone is transported to another world is is an isekai. Therefore sao is an isekai Lol that means dr stone could be considered an isekai, because although they don't travel to another world they do end up in a world that is very different from the modern world. |
| Well, it is and is not an isekai anime. Its a tough predicament indeed. |
SparCy said: Obviously i was joking lolHoutblokje said: well no as there world is still theres just in the future.Lol that means dr stone could be considered an isekai, because although they don't travel to another world they do end up in a world that is very different from the modern world. |
Houtblokje said: oh shit 😂. Sry didn’t realise. It’s hard to tell when people are joking on this site.Obviously i was joking lol |
SparCy said: Nah doesn't matter 😂 I realised shortly after i posted it "Oh shit, people might not realise im joking 😂"oh shit 😂. Sry didn’t realise. It’s hard to tell when people are joking on this site. |
| There's a reason it is called virtual reality and not an alternate world. The author himself has said that it is not an isekai. "But their mind has gone into the alternate world" - this argument makes no sense. Anyone who is playing a game or reading a book if has enough concentration won't be noticing anything happening around them unless they are shouted at or physically shaken. So by that logic their mind is isekai'd too. Sao is akin to someone forcing you to play a game in your pc in a dark locked room without anything around you. |
GreiLugaj said: Isekai literally means another world. Idk why people are even arguing sao isn't an isekai...it's so dumb. sao mostly takes place in a game which has its own rules so you can say they are in another world. especially in s1 where they couldn't log out. |
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| It’s a heavily debated topic. IN MY OPINION, I count the Alicization arc as isekai because he was for all intents and purposes stuck in an alternate world and he had no say as to whether he entered the world or not. My view on season 1 is, even though they are trapped in another dimension, they went there by choice and knew where they were and how the world worked. That does not count as isekai to me. So yes and no |
| It’s a heavily debated topic. IN MY OPINION, I count the Alicization arc as isekai because he was for all intents and purposes stuck in an alternate world and he had no say as to whether he entered the world or not. My view on season 1 is, even though they are trapped in another dimension, they went there by choice and knew where they were and how the world worked. That does not count as isekai to me. So yes and no |
| I’m sure this is a popular back and forth, but I don’t understand why. SAO is an Isekai. End of discussion. Where does the story take place, our world or a (sci-)fictional one? Has the character always lived in this new world? Is the new world brought about with plot elements rather than existing outside of the main character? If you can answer those, you probably realize where Isekai applies and doesn’t apply. Kirito IS thrust into a world he isn’t entirely familiar, he IS stuck there, the story did transpire in normal life and then plot elements pushed the MCs perspective into this fictional land. I see Isekais as anime about a character entering a land they’re not entirely familiar with. Most the time, being stuck there. SAOs only point for not being Isekai is that he’s PHYSICALLY not in another world and if that’s really where we draw the line then I better change the tags I search for because when I look for Isekai those are the criteria I look for. Not if logic applies |
| “One ought to hold on to one's heart; for if one lets it go, one soon loses control of the head too.” |
| I firmly count SAO as an isekai. Isekai is to be sent to another world. Whether that works is a literal physical place or not, the world of SAO is most definitely “a world” that he was trapped in and had to survive. |
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GreiLugaj said: official_brown said: I like when SAO haters call it an isekai/harem when it’s neither of them. They try to use the worst perceived genres to hate on it. I’ve always been telling people this isekai isn't a genre, its a theme, and it means "another world", so by definition, sao is an isekai It’s not though, it’s VR. That’s saying VRMMO Junkie is also isekai. While isekai literally does me another world, it’s still the theme of dying or teleporting to another world. |
| The right mindset when watching an anime is hoping that it will break your top 10 |
Daninokuni said: official_brown said: I like when SAO haters call it an isekai/harem when it’s neither of them. They try to use the worst perceived genres to hate on it. I’ve always been telling people this You say that as if being an Isekai was a bad thing. Digimon Adventure would be an Isekai and it's pretty good. Well no, it’s not a bad thing but it’s perceived to be bad and is used as an insult. |
| The right mindset when watching an anime is hoping that it will break your top 10 |
official_brown said: GreiLugaj said: isekai isn't a genre, its a theme, and it means "another world", so by definition, sao is an isekai It’s not though, it’s VR. That’s saying VRMMO Junkie is also isekai. While isekai literally does me another world, it’s still the theme of dying or teleporting to another world. Japan labels everything that features another world an isekai series. If you wanna express your hate for isekai by excluding sao, fine by me, but there's no need to deny a concept as simple as this. |
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