Sword Art Online (light novel)
SignsOfSuicide said: should we ready consider isekai as a genre?Well Isekai means like "another world" and the game as the setting fits that role. I'm not too big a fan of using Isekai as a genre myself but a lot of people do it cause it is convenient. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: You wanted to say trans-human speculations, surely. Although a tremendous amount of arguing could bring it to the "post" human dimension, in theory. It deals with both and takes the transhumanism like for granted (and techno bubles it) but the goal (I think) is to tell what happens next, what lays beyond: the ghost part of the Ghost In The Shell. PS Naaah, you got me. There is no weaselling out from this, I actually wanted to say trans-human. |
alshuMay 1, 2020 4:30 PM
| Good news because if SAO is isekai. Next season of Isekai Quartet, SAO is the next anime featured in. |
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DHD534 said: SignsOfSuicide said: should we ready consider isekai as a genre?Well Isekai means like "another world" and the game as the setting fits that role. I'm not too big a fan of using Isekai as a genre myself but a lot of people do it cause it is convenient. Like I said, I really don't use it a genre tag since its more-so a setting device than anything else. Its just trendy to do so since people automatically know what group anime you are talking about when Isekai is said for the most part. Its kind of similar to how "school" anime is a "thing". Not technically correct but its a thing. SAO to me is a Game/Fantasy/Adventure anime for example but lumping it in under the Isekai umbrella is just easier therefore the norm. |
SignsOfSuicideMay 1, 2020 7:59 PM
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| It is a subgenre of isekai to be stuck in a game world. The world their minds are in is not the same world they're used to and it has the same fantasy elements that we associate with isekai. By the majority of definitions it counts as one. |
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Heldengeist said: xMyst93 said: In SAO unlike in the Matrix, the virtual world feels detached from the real world from the protagonists perspective. What happens in the real world is of no interest and the show largely ignores it, while in the Matrix a large part of the story plays outside and is very important. The Truma Show is fundamentally different, I don't really get why did you chose that as an example since there are better ones. As for Bofuri, I haven't seen or read it and I have no intention to.Would matrix, truman show, bofuri all be isekais ? I chose those examples to get an idea of how the other guy thinks of "isekai". Wannabiteme said: @Heldengeist @xMyst93 Bofuri is just your VR game (you can logout whenever you want). Bofuri and SAO are exactly the same (im not talking about the plot but the system) |
| SAO is the world of VRgame. Same thing with Log Horizon, Accel World. This ain't isekai. The game world is built by human hands...they still have physical body in the real world. Unless they died and reincarnate or physically transport to another world. Then it is isekai. |
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ShadowBladeX said: Sword Art Online: Alicization is an isekai. i could agree with this... because of time accelarete and living AI stuff |
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xMyst93 said: Wannabiteme said: @Heldengeist @xMyst93 Bofuri is just your VR game (you can logout whenever you want). Bofuri and SAO are exactly the same (im not talking about the plot but the system) Machines might be very similar but the ability go to & from "another world" (ability to log out and log in later) is what set SAO & Bofuri apart (of course part of the SAO series). Or maybe you don't need "trapped" part in the Issekai? bondtux said: ShadowBladeX said: Sword Art Online: Alicization is an isekai. i could agree with this... because of time accelarete and living AI stuff While those 2 things are nice but they don't define Issekai. is what makes it Issekai. |
WannabitemeMay 2, 2020 1:59 AM
| The fact that SAO is considered an isekai is mainly justified as SAO is a show about Kirito and his gang going into virtual reality. Which, in fact is not our world. Hence it is given the category of isekai. But you can consider it more of a half-isekai or not an isekai at all. Up to you to decide. |
| Im just going to quote myself because people still in the thread be saying being trapped in the game like if that’s important Deknijff said: I think of Zero no Tsukaima in which Saito isn’t trapped in the world he is in. He can easily travel between the 2 worlds with the correct circumstances or magic Then you have people saying well they trapped in a game so it has to be an isekai Except being trapped or not is irrelevant. It has to be an actual real different world separate from the regular world of which earth exists in so no not in universe games, heaven or hell or pocket dimensions It does not matter how many times you use the word LIKE a fantasy world when referring to the video game and that his brain is trapped by a machine Looking like something isn’t actually being something I’m sorry people The New Workd from Overlord looks like the game of Yggdrasil at times but it’s not the game itself It’s not hard to understand the difference of being and looking like something |
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| Ah, the classification of SAO as an isekai is so persistent in Japan because of its well documented influence on the webnovel community of shousetsuka ni narou. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dsetsuka_ni_Nar%C5%8D I guess that's not a conversation for MAL, though. |
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| It is because the characters are trapped inside an online world, not a real world. |
| @Daniel_Naumov "Virtual" world has its roots in science-fiction, not fantasy. As such, there is no "another" world. Sci-fi or fantasy - it doesn't matter. In many of those issekai we don't really know how "another world" has been created. It is still not an "another world" narrative, especially considering everyone knows everything about what is going on. You are wrong. spoiler from 1st season spoiler from 1st alizization arc https://myanimelist.net/anime/36474/Sword_Art_Online__Alicization |
WannabitemeMay 2, 2020 12:59 PM
Deknijff said: koichis_pen said: Id like to just mention some of the Japanese consider Hestia a loli with huge tits just because she slightly short So it's pretty presumptuous to think you know more about a Japanese concept than Japanese people.  That's... not a mistake. Loli =/= lolita. The word loli comes from lolita but it has evolved. It went from lolita complex => lolicon (attracted to petite body no matter the age)=> loli (target of lolicon feeling). loli only refers to the size of the body. So the one making a mistake here is you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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| Isekai literally means "another world" if you search it up. In SAO, you get transported to another world digitally. |
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Daniel_Naumov said: alshu said: It deals with both and takes the transhumanism like for granted (and techno bubles it) but the goal (I think) is to tell what happens next, what lays beyond: the ghost part of the Ghost In The Shell. PS Naaah, you got me. There is no weaselling out from this, I actually wanted to say trans-human. Ha-ha my first ever internet argument victory! Nice. xkazutox said: SAO is the world of VRgame. Same thing with Log Horizon, Accel World. This ain't isekai. The game world is built by human hands...they still have physical body in the real world. Unless they died and reincarnate or physically transport to another world. Then it is isekai. While you are right about Sword Art Online, as far as I am concerned Log Horizon still has not confirmed whether they still exist outside that world or not. notamalia said: Isekai (Japanese: 異世界, transl. "different world") is a subgenre of Japanese fantasy light novels, manga, anime, and video games revolving around a normal person from Earth being transported to, reborn, or trapped in a parallel universe. Great definition. Note the "parallel universe" part. In Sword Art Online, there is no such thing. As per definition,... For Log Horizon, I thought they were trap a game world where there Players and NPCs. Especially with the death system that Players have. Is there more to it? |
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| Because the idea is nearly identical to every other isekai. People needing to try and live in another world, in this case a VR game, one with technologically advanced mechanics. That only their minds are trapped and that they're actually still on earth doesn't change that it's basically an isekai imo. Maybe if it tried a bit harder to differentiate itself I would be more convinced. |
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| SAO is 1000% not a isekai honestly i think its stupid to even think it is. Their mind is trapped in their characters in a VR game, Their physical bodies are still on earth, it only counts as a isekai if they actually go into another world and get trapped/reincarnated ETC. In SAO they aren't in another world they are trapped in a VR game, its simple as that but too many Normies these days like to call some anime different things than what they really are, its honestly a bit disappointing to come across Normies who are ignorant of the Way of the Anime/Otaku or simply wannabe anime fans, but to each their own, everyone can have their own opinions but doesnt really change the facts that SAO isn't a isekai. and yes i'm a Elite NEET Hardcore Anime Otaku that spends 95% of the time i'm awake watching anime, for the majority of my life (which is over 29 years btw. I'm also a shut-in who despises society with a passion and hates interacting with people IRL. |
| isekai => other world they start by getting trapped in a different world SAO is litterally the defenition of an isekai |
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| SAO is literally the story of a guy who cannot get out of his bed. That's not really the definition of isekai. Quite the opposite in fact. SAO is the least isekai anime ever. |
| Okay it's not an isekai but it did start an isekai trend kinda like evangelion in that regards oh shit did i just compare eva with sao |
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| Well, it's got all the isekai tropes, I do consider SAO an isekai. "pipipi they're not physically on another world". I don't care. SAO is an isekai, see you. |
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| The characters are trapped in a different fantasy world. Why else? |
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Zefyris said: Deknijff said: Id like to just mention some of the Japanese consider Hestia a loli with huge tits just because she slightly short That's... not a mistake. Loli =/= lolita. The word loli comes from lolita but it has evolved. It went from lolita complex => lolicon (attracted to petite body no matter the age)=> loli (target of lolicon feeling). loli only refers to the size of the body. So the one making a mistake here is you. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But if 'loli' only refers to the body size....I'm actually confused as to why they'd call Hestia a "loli" as well; she doesn't have the body of Shana or Shiro or Illya who are all flat-chested and very short? Hestia looks like an average teenager with big boobs? |
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| They are trapped in another world, might be a video game but still it fits the isekai theme. |
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Like come on fellow MAL users  There is ignorance on a topic but this is mental stupidity. need to quote myself it would seem Deknijff said: Because people are either too lazy to actually think what isekai means, they just say it because they want to group in SAO because it supposedly started the trend itself Then you have people saying well they trapped in a game so it has to be an isekai Except being trapped or not is irrelevant. It has to be an actual real different world separate from the regular world of which earth exists in so no not in universe games, heaven or hell or pocket dimensions Deknijff said: The point of the drug comparison is to show that altering the perception of the brain like the VR Gear in SAO is doing in which characters aren't seeing reality and being shown fake experience and being brain stimulated into thinking its real isn't being in an actual real parallel universe If you want parallel universe you'd need something like Slayers where there are 4 different universe all created by one Supreme being in which they are indeed separate plains of existence  Not this fake reality of which your brain is being forced to experience |
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| I agree, SAO is NOT an isekai, it just has many traits of one. I’m pretty sure it gave rise to the isekai phenomenon, but again I don’t consider it one myself. SAO is my favorite anime, but if someone were to ask me what my favorite isekai is, I’d tell them Slime. Just because it may have inspired something, doesn’t mean it fits all the correct criteria. That said, the aincrad arc of the show is isekai. If the series had ended there I would call it an isekai but since it continues on after that arc, where the characters have free control over entering and leaving the respective gaming worlds, then I’d call it a sci-fi/fantasy. I mean, if SAO is an isekai, then so would this years Bofuri, right? Again, in my opinion, it’s not. Then again, I don’t consider Spirited Away an isekai and many people agree that’s where the isekai fascination might’ve began. But, even though Chihiro can’t leave the spirit realm, she’s still on earth. “Isekai” means “another world”, not “different realm”. I feel like spiritual environments and beings belong in the “supernatural” category, not with the ever increasing isekai genre. That’s my take anyway. :) |
| Because while it is technically not an Isekai, in principle, it works just like one. |
Hrybami said: SAO is literally the story of a guy who cannot get out of his bed. That's not really the definition of isekai. Quite the opposite in fact. SAO is the least isekai anime ever. This made me laugh because it's true. xD He really did spend the whole time in a bed. |
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| It's cuz it is another world which is a close translation of isekai. |
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| They are still transported to another world so technically it's an isekai. |
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Chiibi said: Zefyris said: That's... not a mistake. Loli =/= lolita. The word loli comes from lolita but it has evolved. It went from lolita complex => lolicon (attracted to petite body no matter the age)=> loli (target of lolicon feeling). loli only refers to the size of the body. So the one making a mistake here is you. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ But if 'loli' only refers to the body size....I'm actually confused as to why they'd call Hestia a "loli" as well; she doesn't have the body of Shana or Shiro or Illya who are all flat-chested and very short? Hestia looks like an average teenager with big boobs? She's a loli with big breasts, or an oppai loli as they call them. Hestia is very short.Way shorter than Shana actually,as IIRC Shana's cannon height is nowhere near as short as many characters in anime. |
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| Because they heard someone say it is an isekai, and instead of checking for themselves if it is one they just parrot it. |
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| It's more sci-fi fantasy than isekai. Maybe you could argue that Alicization is isekai but that's not true. SAO is the least isekai anime ever. |
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| Isekai is typically categorized by the theme of a character or main protagonist being "transported to another world typically one in which he's trapped" so it fits with SAO since the main character is transported (in a sense i know its VR but still) to a different world that being the online game of sword art online |
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| don't know what's the perfect description of isekai is and nor do i care but it's pretty isekai-ish to me |
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Zefyris said: Shana's cannon height is nowhere near as short as many characters in anime. 凛々しいまたは可愛らしい顔立ちと称される東洋系の少女。見た目の年齢は11 Are you sure you have the right Shana? She's described with "the appearance of an eleven-year-old girl". In that case, Hestia would have to look like an EIGHT-year-old...and....uh...she clearly doesn't. |
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