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| *SIGH* Just when I thought Fate Fans had gone away...they strike with avengence. @Everyone else...I URGE you to IGNORE the ramblings and utter lunacy from Fate Fans and their never ending bitch fests. These people are NEVER content and are just annoying as fuck when their precious porn game isn't adapted to their insane standards. The crazy shit is that loli/Fate is not their precious Porn game and yet here they are yet again. The episode was fine enough...I was quite satisfied, but of course I'm not a "Fate Fan" who obsesses to no end and is probably miserable. |
| omfg so epic ahhhh. Emiya ost. UBW. Shirou kuro team up Sakura ahhhh miyugil Exalibur!!!! |
| @Fate Fans....you know, this Shirou was pretty damn bad ass, much more than Mr.People Die when they are Killed and of course the epic failure of the Porn Game adaptation Shirou. And Sakura once again proves why she will always be worst girl....I liked having Rin tend to her Husbando like that. |
| Well as expected that was pretty epic. Covered a lot more than I expected them to though but oh well Not sure what happened to the animation quality momentarily but whatever, it was still great |
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HaXXspetten said: Well as expected that was pretty epic. Covered a lot more than I expected them to though but oh well Not sure what happened to the animation quality momentarily but whatever, it was still great "Nope, this was the absolute WORST...cuz they didn't do it EXACTLY the way I want it, and they didn't adapt it exactly panel by panel just like the source material...also, where do these people get off not applying my insane standards?" -Fate Fans 2016 And yeah, my thoughts, this was damn entertaining, awesome action, Shirou was amazing (Best Fate Shirou as far as I'm concerned) and even though I was joking about Sakura, I was very happy to see her crazy Yandere alter ego. Overall, best Loli/Fate season by far. |
JustALEX said: HaXXspetten said: Well as expected that was pretty epic. Covered a lot more than I expected them to though but oh well Not sure what happened to the animation quality momentarily but whatever, it was still great Nope, this was the absolute WORST...cuz they didn't do it EXACTLY the way I want it, and they didn't adapt it exactly panel by panel just like the source material...also, where do these people get off not applying my insane standards? -Fate Fans 2016 And yeah, my thoughts, this was damn entertaining, awesome action, Shirou was amazing (Best Fate Shirou as far as I'm concerned) and even though I was joking about Sakura, I was very happy to see her crazy Yandere alter ego. Overall, best Loli/Fate season by far. You problem is that FANS of the series are disappointed about bad episodes? You are pretty much the whole problem why the studio focuses on loli scenes instead of what really matters. wow cancer |
ssjokg said: JustALEX said: Nope, this was the absolute WORST...cuz they didn't do it EXACTLY the way I want it, and they didn't adapt it exactly panel by panel just like the source material...also, where do these people get off not applying my insane standards? -Fate Fans 2016 And yeah, my thoughts, this was damn entertaining, awesome action, Shirou was amazing (Best Fate Shirou as far as I'm concerned) and even though I was joking about Sakura, I was very happy to see her crazy Yandere alter ego. Overall, best Loli/Fate season by far. You problem is that FANS of the series are disappointed about bad episodes? You are pretty much the whole problem why the studio focuses on loli scenes instead of what really matters. wow cancer Lmao....I'm the problem... I've said over and over that THIS season has been my favorite due to how much plot there is and how heavy the atmosphere has been compared to the other seasons that have focused more on fanservice. I EVEN MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT! Here, check it out: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1542894 Do me a favor and go back to your precious porn game pls. |
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JustALEX said: ANd yet you dont care when plot, characters, pacing and animation are screwed up but loli french kisses have top animation.ssjokg said: You problem is that FANS of the series are disappointed about bad episodes? You are pretty much the whole problem why the studio focuses on loli scenes instead of what really matters. wow cancer Lmao....I'm the problem... I've said over and over that THIS season has been my favorite due to how much plot there is and how heavy the atmosphere has been compared to the other seasons that have focused more on fanservice. I EVEN MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT! Here, check it out: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1542894 Do me a favor and go back to your precious porn game pls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0_WcnnL2Lk So shut the fuck up. If you dont care when an ep is really bad in everything you "praised" it for then you cant talk. And stop with the memes.They make you even more cancerous. |
ssjokg said: JustALEX said: ANd yet you dont care when plot, characters, pacing and animation are screwed up but loli french kisses have top animation.Lmao....I'm the problem... I've said over and over that THIS season has been my favorite due to how much plot there is and how heavy the atmosphere has been compared to the other seasons that have focused more on fanservice. I EVEN MADE A THREAD ABOUT IT! Here, check it out: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1542894 Do me a favor and go back to your precious porn game pls. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0_WcnnL2Lk So shut the fuck up. If you dont care when an ep is really bad in everything you "praised" it for then you cant talk. And stop with the memes.They make you even more cancerous. Jesus Christ...you guys know the Fate fanbase is notorious for being overly picky and just straight up annoying, right? That's exactly what I'm seeing here. "Stop with the memes".....keeps using the word cancer to describe things. OK. |
JustALEX said: Wanting good directing, pacing, animation and....well a good ep is being overly picky and annoying.ssjokg said: ANd yet you dont care when plot, characters, pacing and animation are screwed up but loli french kisses have top animation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0_WcnnL2Lk So shut the fuck up. If you dont care when an ep is really bad in everything you "praised" it for then you cant talk. And stop with the memes.They make you even more cancerous. Jesus Christ...you guys know the Fate fanbase is notorious for being overly picky and just straight up annoying, right? That's exactly what I'm seeing here. "Stop with the memes".....keeps using the word cancer to describe things. OK. THE MORE YOU KNOW That's not something a fanbase should care about but all viewers in general.But no, lets be triggered about the fans asking for what should have been the norm.. 5 mins on Namek was a ton of eps. There is nothing to prove in those pics. |
ssjokg said: ChaosVector said: 5 mins on Namek was a ton of eps.--- Ummm... What? There is nothing to prove in those pics. i think he means how little pressure they're under. in the manga, there was an ever-present sense of urgency, in that particular scene though, there was none of that. can't fault that too much though, text-to-action animation often loses some of the urgency. there's ways around it, but it's such a minor flaw in comparison that it's best to let it go. also, to justALEX, you appear to be getting upset that people are criticizing this episode, but i have to ask; why aren't you? criticism doesn't mean they hated it, it just means (and we all know) it could have been done better. even though they got practically everything right as far as adaptation, to fix all the animation issues present on the BD would be a monumental task akin to revamping/lengthening the entire episode. and seeing how rarely that's done for any anime, it's a rightful concern that this episode in particular has so many of them. |
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vlaine said: ssjokg said: 5 mins on Namek was a ton of eps. There is nothing to prove in those pics. i think he means how little pressure they're under. in the manga, there was an ever-present sense of urgency, in that particular scene though, there was none of that. can't fault that too much though, text-to-action animation often loses some of the urgency. there's ways around it, but it's such a minor flaw in comparison that it's best to let it go. also, to justALEX, you appear to be getting upset that people are criticizing this episode, but i have to ask; why aren't you? criticism doesn't mean they hated it, it just means (and we all know) it could have been done better. even though they got practically everything right as far as adaptation, to fix all the animation issues present on the BD would be a monumental task akin to revamping/lengthening the entire episode. and seeing how rarely that's done for any anime, it's a rightful concern that this episode in particular has so many of them. If you look closely and see which direction Illya and Kuro are facing in one scene, then the other scene 3 seconds later plus the panning out... |
| Shirou was cool when he defeated that annoying Gilgamesh wannabe. I didn't like Sakura, she was too creepy. |
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Ulquiorra said: There are reasons for that that will will probably never see.Shirou was cool when he defeated that annoying Gilgamesh wannabe. I didn't like Sakura, she was too creepy. And if the eps that show how are gonna be like this one I rather not see the next arc animated. |
| Welp, it felt disappointing animation-wise, at least compared to the other seasons or scenes we've seen so far. So much for the hype. Was nice seeing Sakura and a bit surprising. I still enjoyed the episode though. However way they wrap up the season, hoping they'll pull out all the stops since it's the final episode |
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| Someone probably forgot to tell animators, that this season supposed to have 12 episodes, not 10. So they didn't have enough time to animated this properly. Expecting better quality in BD. |
ssjokg said: Wanting good directing, pacing, animation and....well a good ep is being overly picky and annoying. THE MORE YOU KNOW That's not something a fanbase should care about but all viewers in general.But no, lets be triggered about the fans asking for what should have been the norm.. 5 mins on Namek was a ton of eps. There is nothing to prove in those pics. I tend to agree. I don't think it's anything like being overly picky to note when the show falls short of its own standards. This show has managed to deliver during the big last fights in a series. Delivered against Berserker in season 1, delivered against Bazett (the whole thing) in season 2, delivered against Gilgamesh in season 3. Fell short here. There was a lot of quality issues. From the big stuff down to small errors like Miyu...flying beside Illya instead of standing on her mana footholds. Miyu can't fly SL. Honestly to fix it for the BD....they'd have redo the whole episode. Of course maybe they do. Maybe they find the time to get everyone they need and allocate the proper resources...but it's hard to bet on that. At least they probably know how many issues there were in this episode and will have the opportunity to fix it ahead of the BD. I doubt the response over there is any more forgiving. It was too far a departure from their normal level of work. I really do hope they fix as much as they can for the BD. After all if they get it right there, then the show holds up much better long term. At least the content and the story holds up and keeps it being a good episode. It falls hard on that visual perspective, but everything else is still good and enjoyable. Just too bad it wasn't an unbelievable episode which it could have been. |
JustALEX said: it doesn't have to be a fatefan to be disappointed in this episode, everything until previous episodes was done really well, but THIS only episode is on different level, to the point where one could question if it's the same studio that did the last 3 seasons.ssjokg said: ANd yet you dont care when plot, characters, pacing and animation are screwed up but loli french kisses have top animation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D0_WcnnL2Lk So shut the fuck up. If you dont care when an ep is really bad in everything you "praised" it for then you cant talk. And stop with the memes.They make you even more cancerous. Jesus Christ...you guys know the Fate fanbase is notorious for being overly picky and just straight up annoying, right? That's exactly what I'm seeing here. "Stop with the memes".....keeps using the word cancer to describe things. OK. |
| So here we have Silver Link's version of Shiro vs Gilgamesh. I didn't really expect them to surpass ufotable or anything, but honestly, they could have done better here. This is the penultimate episode with tons of fighting, at least make this look good. They could have afforded to slack off somewhere else but at least not here. The reason why Angelica was wary of Kuro was because of UBW, but Kuro doesn't know about that and Shiro here can't use it because he's probably too weak. Shiro here is about to turn into that white haired Archer and because of being next to the original heroic spirit, Kuro is able to fight in sync with Shiro and they defeat Angelica together. And then crazy yandere Sakura shows up to beat Shiro when he approaches Julian. Arrogant Gilgamesh-Miyu was cool. Need more of that arrogance. The Gilgamesh card doesn't need the magic stick because Gilgamesh doesn't need anyone's help because he's the nekoing King of Heroes. Shiro and Angelica have fought each other before too and their positions were reversed back then. This could mean that time when Julian and co were attacking to steal Miyu as this time it is Shiro who is attacking. And Shiro probably lost back then which is why Angelica was saying that he knows he can't keep up with her. And what was this about Faker and Counterfeiter? I get the faker thing could be Shiro because he makes fake copies of everything with his Trace On thingy, but what about calling Angelica counterfeiter? Is it about the card thing where they mimic the actual heroic spirit with that card installing? Saber Illya and Kuro have to fight all those heroic spirits while Rin tries to heal Shiro who just got blown away by Beatrice. And Illya ends the episode with an "Excalibaaaah". And god damn Gilgamesh got his other half back after snatching it from Miyu just before Julian tries to take it out to destroy it. That bastard was just waiting for the perfect time to make his entry and get his card back. All that Gilgamesh badass arrogance. He showed Miyu and Angelica how arrogance and badassery is done right. Now the question is, will he grow up or will he remain a shota as a side-effect of being pushed out before properly reincarnating? Kuro better be careful because Gil is gonna kill her soon lol. Based on what Julian said, I'm guessing Gilgamesh has done some messing with things here before too. And Gilgamesh called Erica "The Mud Doll of Calamity" which means that there really is more to her than just being a mere loli. Gilgamesh said the right thing, Julian wants to save humanity, but right now someone looking on can't tell whether he's really a good guy or not. And that also probably means that the wish they have in mind for the Grail probably won't save humanity. And with that, Gilgamesh has seemingly taken a back seat, again, and will show up when he finds a good opportunity to butt in for his own interests. He now has no need to help Illya and friends because his mission of retrieving his card has been completed. For all he cares these guys could just die. And if he helps Illya, it would be for his own interests because Gilgamesh isn't exactly the kind of guy who would help people out of pure kindness because he's nekoing Gilgamesh after all, unless his time with Illya changed him which is highly unlikely based on this guy's ego. As if a mere loli would change him. He's just going to have fun seeing these people in their futile attempts to pursue their ideals and then reach the conclusion he thinks is obvious from the start. They didn't tell Gil's advice though. I wonder what advice he gave to those poor creatures. Tanaka is still there somewhere as she had woken up last week. And she should be showing up at any moment. Gilgamesh showed up and then disappeared which means that Illya's gang has lost a very strong member who has been of great help all this time. Unless he really didn't disappear. It's up to Saber Illya to save the day then. She'll have to defeat Julian and deal with Erica too, after, of course, taking care of those heroic spirits out to get her and friends. As an anime only viewer, I didn't really get any feeling that this was fast. I'm not sure how this would have fared with more episodes. It felt alright to me. Maybe they could have extended the fight with Angelica a bit and showed more of Gilgamesh Miyu in action against yandere Sakura, but I think this was fine as is. Of course it would have benefited from looking better but it's fine this way in my opinion. |
Yamada2 said: As an anime only viewer, I didn't really get any feeling that this was fast. I'm not sure how this would have fared with more episodes. It felt alright to me. Maybe they could have extended the fight with Angelica a bit and showed more of Gilgamesh Miyu in action against yandere Sakura, but I think this was fine as is. Of course it would have benefited from looking better but it's fine this way in my opinion. It's pretty much a solid adaptation of the manga cutting out things that weren't necessary for the plot(and aside from how the animation could've been better, like way better). One reason this was such a disappoint was because almost everything in this episode was so much better in the manga and most of the fight scenes this season seemed... "meh" which made people to believe they were saving their budget for this part of the story which was the supposed "highlight" of this season. Although as mentioned by others prior the part with Miyu installing lil Gil's card and Shiro having a proper monologue were the good parts of this episode. |
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| I really really wish SL will redo the entire episode in BD. I really can't swallow the fact that it's the same thing as previous episode. All those derp face All those GoB yellow sword All those... *sighs* I don't really mind if it were just derpy face alone, but even the cinematography just suddenly get suck. Like the whole episode is done by different studio. :/ |
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| Honestly, I was still hyped by the episode solely due to the source content. As a person who hasn't read the manga but has gone through the 3 routes in the FS/N VN, corrupted FZ berserker Sakura definitely got my 'holy shit' attention. There were too many things going on though, the fight with Angelica was concluded too quickly imo and Shirou went from "insane badass" to "5inches from death" in like.. 3 minutes? There was also the part about Erica being a mud doll or something which I assume that which means she is the cause of the "shadow"? (from Heaven's Feel) Aside from that, Miyu getting taken over by gilgamesh made me "wtf" but it was literally resolved in 30 seconds which immediately removed any trace of impact from the scene. So from my point of view, it was a good episode because of content but animation was definitely horrendously lackluster. The animation thus far in 3Rem has been kinda bad overall tbh and I thought SL was saving the budget to go all out with the last 2 episodes like the previous seasons which brought us stellar action sequences that pump you up and make you go 'omg this is pretty sick'. Guess I will need to take a look at the manga |
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DodeDagon said: Yamada2 said: As an anime only viewer, I didn't really get any feeling that this was fast. I'm not sure how this would have fared with more episodes. It felt alright to me. Maybe they could have extended the fight with Angelica a bit and showed more of Gilgamesh Miyu in action against yandere Sakura, but I think this was fine as is. Of course it would have benefited from looking better but it's fine this way in my opinion. It's pretty much a solid adaptation of the manga cutting out things that weren't necessary for the plot(and aside from how the animation could've been better, like way better). One reason this was such a disappoint was because almost everything in this episode was so much better in the manga and most of the fight scenes this season seemed... "meh" which made people to believe they were saving their budget for this part of the story which was the supposed "highlight" of this season. Although as mentioned by others prior the part with Miyu installing lil Gil's card and Shiro having a proper monologue were the good parts of this episode. Its not even just animation. The cinematography was shit. The choreography was shit. The pacing was shit. Miyu installing Gil card was GOOD, except more than half of it was cut or rushed, to the point that we had no gradual take over and it just randomly happened and then was done in a blink of an eye. Shirou monologue was great but it was accompanied with literally the worst choreography SL had in whole 3 seasons AND his whole fight went too fast. This episode should have been TWO episodes AT LEAST. The confrontation with Angelica alone deserved a whole episode. Bad animation can be excused if overall directing and content is good. This whole episode felt like it was done by an ENTIRELY different studio and production staff. |
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| Well that was pretty disappointing, it just came off as real empty and lifeless. |
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| All that horrendous animation for this episode aside, this might be a proof that SL is currently working for more than 3 projects. Just see SL's past works last year. They could handle 3 shows in a season just fine, without outsourcing that lot. |
Fai said: Its not even just animation. The cinematography was shit. The choreography was shit. The pacing was shit. You right. Almost everything that mattered was shit. This may just be a nitpick from me, but one of the things that disturbed me during the episode was Sakuralot's voice. It didn't give that creepy but sweet feeling when you hear it unlike what I thought when I read the manga. Just a slight nitpick but it still bothered me a lot lol. Fai said: Miyu installing Gil card was GOOD, except more than half of it was cut or rushed, to the point that we had no gradual take over and it just randomly happened and then was done in a blink of an eye. Shirou monologue was great but it was accompanied with literally the worst choreography SL had in whole 3 seasons AND his whole fight went too fast. This episode should have been TWO episodes AT LEAST. The confrontation with Angelica alone deserved a whole episode. Bad animation can be excused if overall directing and content is good. This whole episode felt like it was done by an ENTIRELY different studio and production staff. Exactly what I felt, especially when I compare it to the past seasons that SL has done(especially that one from the 1st season that was linked already, the Illyarcher vs Saber. |
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| This isnt even about being on par with the the source material. Shirou and Kuro have he same height ffs The animation is bad compared to the previous seasons and eps.The anime NEVER was as good as the manga in the designs but we could ignore it because they were trying. Shirou's attacks here remind me of Deen's animation and they may even be worse. |
| - Sakura - Miyuverse Shirou tag team with Kuro - Miyu as a Gilgamesh - Gil gets second card - Illya uses saber's Noble Phantasm That was amazing but the part of graphic style is so bad, compare to the 6th episode in 1st season |
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| Too many great things about the episode. No where to start. Shirou in action. Archers combo. The surprise appearance of Sakura. The return of Gil-kun. Miyu-archer/Gilgamesh And closing with that beautiful "Excalibur !!!!!!!!!". Only one more chapter, what a pity. And yet nothing do not know, for sure, Tanaka. |
| I am Argentine, so is not very good my English, sorry for the many typing errors. |
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Now that's a cancerous video. "hey guyse a single episode is representative of WHOLE season!11oneone" |
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Fai said: Now that's a cancerous video. "hey guyse a single episode is representative of WHOLE season!11oneone" You misssed the point of the video. |
astroprogs said: Fai said: Now that's a cancerous video. "hey guyse a single episode is representative of WHOLE season!11oneone" You misssed the point of the video. To gain views and get money? To create more "funny maymays"? To shit on otherwise very legitimate season? The dude';s first few vids were, funny, but his shtick ran old years ago. This episode was shit and there's nothing funny about it. I wish it was funny but it is not. Especially not when this episode being so shit is used as a chance to attack the rest of the show. Especially all the hypocrites who use this SINGLE episode as an example of "why Ufo is so based" and shit and people who decided to make money off this disaster by making videos about it shitting on the studio overall. Somehow a single episode is an end of the world and dooms SL forever. Yet 26 freaking shitty episodes "were still the best ufo could do, dont hate ont hem :(" There's nothing funny about this. Nothing meme about this. Just a legitimately incomprehensibly shockingly shitty episode which feels like it was animated in some alternate reality were SL did NOT deliver three seasons of very consistent and great show. Did Type Moon Pull a Bethesda? Did SL animators ran out of time or budget? Was this production mistake or WHAT? How does this shit even happen is the only thing that is interesting about this. |
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Fai said: To gain views and get money? To create more "funny maymays"? To shit on otherwise very legitimate season? The dude';s first few vids were, funny, but his shtick ran old years ago. This episode was shit and there's nothing funny about it. I wish it was funny but it is not. Especially not when this episode being so shit is used as a chance to attack the rest of the show. First, yes, it's funny. Second, yes, the entire point of it is just to be funny. Third, no one attacked the whole show. Fourth, it's a meme video. They're not supposed to be taken seriously. Calm down. |
Pfft. That's pretty bad. I'm up to date with the manga but stopped at episode or 5 of the anime. I don't think I'm continuing. |
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TheDeadApostle said: Pfft. That's pretty bad. I'm up to date with the manga but stopped at episode or 5 of the anime. I don't think I'm continuing. Oh, you definitely should continue. Even this episode has some pretty great moments. |
| Well, I didn't had my hopes up for the anime to leave the same impact like the manga had. Overall it was decent, but it also was disappointing. In the manga you had a strong impact when Julian said Shirou's name, in the anime it was really weak. Miyugamesh and Shirou were also very medicore compared to their manga versions. This episode also gets to prove that they should've made this a 13 episode series for at least the final battle part of this arc. And... I really wanted to see Shirou complaining about Kuro's clothes. :< |
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TheDeadApostle said: Pfft. That's pretty bad. I'm up to date with the manga but stopped at episode or 5 of the anime. I don't think I'm continuing. If we exclude Ep 11, the show is still great. EP9 and Ep10 literally are some of THE best fate episodes ever. |
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| I don't really get all the complaints. To those saying that SL is messing up, or that they can't animate fight scenes, that's just stupid. First seasons had amazing animation quality. Sure on this episode the animation was disappointing and it felt rushed, but honestly it's quite understandable. It's already the 4th season of a show that is quite niche despite being a Fate series. It's obivous that they must be short on budget, and it's completely pointless to compare to UBW or Fate/Zero animation. Both were guaranteed mass success. Here we have a show that is the 32nd show this season in terms of popularity, behind Cheer Danshi... Even if it doesn't reflect Japanese audience, it still means something. If anything we're already lucky that a show like this made it until a 4th season. Also, they obviously had production problems for this particular episode, that's why it came late. Honestly i'm not as disappointed about this episode as i'm surprised that they managed to keep such high quality for so long, especially for this type of anime. |
| I did make a small post criticizing the episode too but aren’t you guys taking this away too seriously ? I mean its fate/kaleid after all, a loli spin off…… |
astroprogs said: TheDeadApostle said: Pfft. That's pretty bad. I'm up to date with the manga but stopped at episode or 5 of the anime. I don't think I'm continuing. Oh, you definitely should continue. Even this episode has some pretty great moments. Fai said: TheDeadApostle said: Pfft. That's pretty bad. I'm up to date with the manga but stopped at episode or 5 of the anime. I don't think I'm continuing. If we exclude Ep 11, the show is still great. EP9 and Ep10 literally are some of THE best fate episodes ever. Hmm I guess I'll continue then. |
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| Lmao, the episode was so bad even based Aron made a video about it. The true messiah of the Fate fanbase. |
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Ulquiorra said: sakura's always been creepy bruh....Shirou was cool when he defeated that annoying Gilgamesh wannabe. I didn't like Sakura, she was too creepy. |
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