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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Incredible continuation of explanations about the last events! Absolutely brilliant! Writing this after a big party with wine (friend turned 18). Ok the beginning was completely not expected....Mass Media showing everywhere Ogata Eiji...something about a scandal/another scandal of Menou lipsynch. Some police came to arrest Eiji and the hidden studio. Frank talked for first time and I have to say I like his serious voice. Misaki also at the same time released that story of Menou. Looks like the media are pushing things with Eiji by including the scandal of Rina that was covered up with the cigarette buying. Guess Tamaru was not too happy with Hiragii's methods nor with Misaki from how he reacted. Evaluation was rude to Yuka to cut her off earlier than she finished her show ( found it was nice how they inserted the song to show Kanzaki thinking about the past of her daughters). Rina was singing so nicely Natsuko's song. What followed was something I never though possible but only rumors from the game players....Eiji kisses Yuki! O_O What in the world is wrong with such a pig! Insulting part! Yuki never wanted this from her reaction and running to Touya! Also they kissed while both crying and emotional distress? WIHN (What In Heaven's Name) This is bad!  What makes me worried is that Hiiragi was in there as a security and it made me worried that he will go either after Yayoi or Yuki or Rina. What in the world happened to Rina with that drink....is she poisoned or has her voice damaged? From the looks of Hiiragi seeing this.Something interesting about the ED...you can those are the figures of Misaki/Haruka/Yayoi/Mana/Menou so I wonder where they are going with this here=> |
francismeunierDec 19, 2009 5:57 AM
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| lol, I love this show when it fcks the audience over~ xD Even though i saw the eiji x yuki thing coming, I never really materialized it inside my head. And when Eiji actually kissed Yuki I was like, "lol nooo, dont fuck with me pls". Too bad yuki doesnt like it though~ And in all honesty, I dont really get what the whole scandal is about. Menou confessed about her never sang a song and theres also that faked sex scandal about her. But whats up with Eiji? As far as I understood he is involved in something about trading those paintings and tax problems. but why makes such a big fuzz about it? and who made these rumors? Misaki? and why? And I dont get why he cant just come out and say its not true but i guess thats something of the 80s~ francismeunier said: I certainly like to know that as well. i sure hope for at least a somewhat happy end for Rina~ (me <--- never really cared about Yuki for one sec ... -_-)hat in the world happened to Rina with that drink....is she poisoned or has her voice damaged? From the looks of Hiiragi seeing this. francismeunier said: I find almost all the EDs pretty interesting, at least somewhat artful~ Like the one before last ep, a girl dancing in the rain, then suddenly takes off her clothes lol~Another thing is that at the very end of ED/preview You can see little Yuki being kissed by little Rina.....does it mean a possible Yuki x Rina? I dont know what Rina kissing Yuki here realy means, but i guess it has some relation to the kiss in this ep, and rina x yuki relationship feels for me like actually one of the deepest anyway and is being heavily hinted everywhere, in op, earlier eps etc... anyway, cant wait to see the end of this all as always :-) |
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| Franky's voice is not what I expected. Still, him speaking ripped a hole in the fabric of space and time. |
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MrRogers said: isnt it also the first time that we hear Menou's friend speak/sing?Franky's voice is not what I expected. Still, him speaking ripped a hole in the fabric of space and time. |
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| No it's not the first time she even talk or sing, she have singed in another episode too but the song was quite short. Yeah I like her voices wonder why she had talang but why did Menou lipsync for her songs. |
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| wow this show is so much better than First season its insane! i love this damn show. To bad its very underrated. |
| C'MON! I'm really hoping for a Touya X Rina!! i dont know why but i want it :) seems like the story is getting better and better and the end comes near... 2 more eps just really curious as to what happened to rina and what menou was talking about at the end |
| BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH....LOLOLOLOLOL FUCK YEA!!! PIMP THAT BIATCH, EIJI!!! WAY TO GO, EIJI!!! AWWW SHIT, THIS GUY'S TOO AWESOME FOR WORDS XDDDD And yea, Touya, she's not air anymore, she's crap now...TEH LULZ XD The songs are actually not that bad, but since I got the pleasure to hear too much awesome and lovely songs this weekend, WA's songs only sound like shit to my ears sadly, and what's more LULZworthy is how the girl was told to STFU by the neighbors LOL Ahhhh....Only bad thing is that punk bitch Sunohara is not dead, but a very satisfactory and FAPulously funny episode nonetheless... XD |
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| so many scandals, its so confusing! and whats wrong with rina? is she sick, i wonder? |
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kage-bunshin said: The kye here is...what was that drink she drank...some poison in th tea? It looked like green tea activated by hot water but what was it mixed with before the hot water went inside?so many scandals, its so confusing! and whats wrong with rina? is she sick, i wonder? vinesage said: lol, I love this show when it fcks the audience over~ xD Well it did quite a number on me since I was drunk from a friends party. vinesage said: Even though i saw the eiji x yuki thing coming, I never really materialized it inside my head. And when Eiji actually kissed Yuki I was like, "lol nooo, dont fuck with me pls". Too bad yuki doesnt like it though~ Yeah I was more, you pig swine get off of her, now you dirtied her. vinesage said: And in all honesty, I dont really get what the whole scandal is about. Menou confessed about her never sang a song and theres also that faked sex scandal about her. But whats up with Eiji? As far as I understood he is involved in something about trading those paintings and tax problems. but why makes such a big fuzz about it? and who made these rumors? Misaki? and why? And I dont get why he cant just come out and say its not true but i guess thats something of the 80s~ I think it could be those guys from the past that tried to ruin Rina and somehow Hiiragi, maybe that person working for Kanzaki or someone who does not like Eiji that has connections. I do agree with you friend that Eiji should just admit but I think he took first steps already by calling police to turn himself in. francismeunier said: what in the world happened to Rina with that drink....is she poisoned or has her voice damaged? From the looks of Hiiragi seeing this. vinesage said: I certainly like to know that as well. i sure hope for at least a somewhat happy end for Rina~ (me <--- never really cared about Yuki for one sec ... -_-) Yeah, I though Hiiragi would go more for Yuki and Yayoi.... francismeunier said: Another thing is that at the very end of ED/preview You can see little Yuki being kissed by little Rina.....does it mean a possible Yuki x Rina? vinesage said: That was also strange....but this tops them all.I find almost all the EDs pretty interesting, at least somewhat artful~ Like the one before last ep, a girl dancing in the rain, then suddenly takes off her clothes lol~ vinesage said: Yes that is exact and it will be interesting to see where it goes.I dont know what Rina kissing Yuki here realy means, but i guess it has some relation to the kiss in this ep, and rina x yuki relationship feels for me like actually one of the deepest anyway and is being heavily hinted everywhere, in op, earlier eps etc... vinesage said: Of course count me in too, we should try to synchronize with the last episode to comment a lot on it. anyway, cant wait to see the end of this all as always :-) |
francismeunierDec 13, 2009 2:15 AM
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| This is just so messed up. I really hope Yuki and Touya won't get back together, since all they are looking for right now in each other is consolation. And that moment between Eiji and Yuki, the same, he was just looking for comfort and probably very out of his mind. Just desperately trying to grasp at anything to forget everything. To evade the truth. I still like the soundtrack the most of this show, I always look out for the OP every week, and the sweet insert song sung by Yuki.. almost makes you forget she's voiced by Hirano. And oh, not one mention anymore about his dad? Are you that cold, are you truly made out of stone not to lament the fact that your father died? And hey dingo Francis, put that pic in a tag please, you already spoiled it for me :') |
desolatoDec 13, 2009 5:10 AM
| Wow, what an episode but that is nothing-less I expected from WU, really WU like. The only thing I am disappointed in this episode was that I feel like there is something missing unexplained. What exactly wrong with the scandal that made Eiji so confused about, didn't seem to be explained well. I am not really sure who was the one that do something to Rina at the end, maybe someone doesn't want her to sing at Venus? The only thing I can really see in this episode is that Menou is trying to get rid of everything. By "everything" I mean both companies. |
 "A Legend is but a tale of a beautiful lie." |
Siva said: What exactly wrong with the scandal that made Eiji so confused about, didn't seem to be explained well. Maybe it's true and he is confused about whether to confess or hide but it looks from the end that he turns himself in....wonder if he will solve all this? Siva said: I am not really sure who was the one that do something to Rina at the end, maybe someone doesn't want her to sing at Venus? I though so too but why would Hiiragi get involved? I though it was something to do with Yayoi/Yuki? Siva said: Probably because it ruined her family a lot. I can see that somehow with Kanzaki thinking about her when she was at the airport leaving her side.The only thing I can really see in this episode is that Menou is trying to get rid of everything. By "everything" I mean both companies. |
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| Wow... Touya asking what number goddess Menou is... that really pissed me off... time to add another person to my "shit list" I am totally hoping for a nice boat ending! |
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| the drama THE DRAMA :''D Damn I'm just laughing like hell ...and ENJOYING this. |
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| Oh my god! That show is just awesome. It's being the best of the year to me. I can't belive a fuck on what my eyes are seeing, it's just awesome. One of the best shows ever \o/ But now lets' speculate about "Lina's" (Rina) juice. To be honest, I haven't realized that the security guy (Hiiragi right?) might have set up in to Ogata's drink, at the moment I just thought that she had only choked with it, but after reading francismeunier, all started to make sense... Then comes the question, was it poison or was it just to spoil her voice. Well, considering that it is an anime, i think that they wouldn't go too far, then the juice is probably just spoiled and will fuck with her voice, the chance of her dying or get sick by poisoning is low. But can also happen. So imo she will not be able to sing at Venus but that will be all. Another point what called my attention was Eiji kissing Yuki, was a very strong scene, not expected by (before the hug behind the coach) and was cool to see her going to Touya's place to apologize with him, and tell the whole story then Menou walks out of the room. Was another shocking scene. So this time they managed to assemble lots of strongs scenes in the same episode, without loosing balance, the episode was good form the start to the very last second (including jikai) now let's see how will be Yuki's reaction, cuz something cool will definitly happens! And now looking forward to the next episode! PS - Sry if i wrote something wrong, english isn't my 1st language. |
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| So much drama!!!! I loved this episode XD muahaha! |
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jdigital said: But now lets' speculate about "Lina's" (Rina) juice. To be honest, I haven't realized that the security guy (Hiiragi right?) might have set up in to Ogata's drink, at the moment I just thought that she had only choked with it, but after reading francismeunier, all started to make sense... Then comes the question, was it poison or was it just to spoil her voice. Consider herself lucky since the pig didn't drug her juice then brought her to a deserted place and erm-you-know-what her, that's the kinda vibe I always get whenever I see those pigs anyway... And amusing enough, they 90% do what I expect them lowly shitty pigs to do 8-) |
If he's not with us, he's AGAINST us!!! |
| I think Yuki liked it and felt bad, unlike scumbag. And it was a pretty neutral kiss. Read my anime scumbag post about Makoto vs. Touya. School Days stuff, though, so warning. http://myanimelist.net/blog/Yandere |
YandereDec 14, 2009 8:13 PM
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| I just confirmed two things in this episode: - Touya doesn't care so much about Yuki anymore. - Rina is an incredibly strong and complex character, plus she's voiced by Mizuki Nana, making her the main reason to watch this show (apart from the very dark and well-depicted atmosphere). The developments were good and the rythm is accelerating a bit, so I'm really looking forward to the end. Even more when you take into account that anything can happen from now on, good or bad. I'm wishing for a nice boat ending as a lot of people here but I have the feeling we'll have a very conventional, maybe romantic ending. |
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| ....holy shit this show is one hot mess. |
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Wasabi said: but it's amazing.. and i'm always excited to see the next one......holy shit this show is one hot mess. |
argilium said: We all are at this point.Wasabi said: but it's amazing.. and i'm always excited to see the next one......holy shit this show is one hot mess. |
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| So.. Does that mean Menou's career is over? O.o Wait what? Did I miss something? Why're there police running around searching for Eiji? O.o Oh well, since when did I expect to understand this anime to the fullest?xD Oh I see, that's what it was. Wait what? Touya's gone mad? Is there anything wrong with Haruka now all of a sudden? Baaaawwww Akira's alive D: "I don't want to lose anything anymore." I hope he means he doesn't want to lose Yuki either? Or.. Actually.. How the heck is he going to make sure he doesn't lose anything at all? =.=' Friggin' impossible. I won't write about the intricate stuff. I don't feel like it x) Anywho, Menou's pretty sweet anyway. And.. Yayoi.. Damn I really don't like her D: Piggy photographer guy btw lol. He doesn't really cut it as a policeman, huh?xD WHAT? Eiji.. Excuse me but wth are you doing? ٩(͡๏̯͡๏)۶ And what? Who's putting acid in Rina's "coffee"? ಠ_ಠ |
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| This was a hilariously bad episode. The "we don't have time to sufficiently answer questions, so here's Kanzaki and Rina discussing everything absolutely out of character" was crazy, and yet they still managed to be unclear about a few salient points. The first being that Kanzaki seems to have schemed up this whole mess with Eiji, thinking that he was actually going to commit fraud and he didn't. When Rina reveals that he isn't guilty of foul play, she should have been shocked. Otherwise, what exactly did she think her endgame was going to be, framing Eiji for crimes he didn't commit, and making it public? Then Yuki's dumbass goes to look for Eiji, let's him kiss her, then backs off as though he did something the didn't expect. She was all about that kiss for a little bit. Dumb bitch...then she goes running to Touya. They are now exactly alike. And WHAT THE FUCK! How is Akira alive, let alone unscathed? That truck seemed to be heading at him quickly, and he has a band-aid on his head. No one's dying. The show doesn't seem to have the balls to do that. If someone does die, it will only undermine the way they've dealt with Akira, Misaki, and I'm guessing Rina. So now I'm going to go through vinesage and Siva's comments to see if I can clear anything up. vinesage said: And in all honesty, I dont really get what the whole scandal is about. Menou confessed about her never sang a song and theres also that faked sex scandal about her. But whats up with Eiji? As far as I understood he is involved in something about trading those paintings and tax problems. but why makes such a big fuzz about it? and who made these rumors? Misaki? and why? And I dont get why he cant just come out and say its not true but i guess thats something of the 80s~ All the shady business Kanzaki was doing with the paintings was an attempt to extort money out of Eiji. I'm guessing that they're version of the IRS saw weird accounting in Eiji's books (getting rid of paintings, selling Kanzaki Rina and the studio, etc.) and pursued him on it. He just hasn't been upfront with his expenditures, and when you run a business, you have to be meticulous or crap like this happens. It's not a matter of Eiji coming out and saying it's a misunderstanding, because now he seems to have realized that his childish, mentally unsound decisions have cost him his lively hood. Thanks to Yuki calling out his delusion on the paintings, he's realized that not only has he worked toward nothing, but that he gave everything up for it. That the cops are after him is an absolute afterthought. He's just running away from his problems like a chiild. Siva said: The only thing I am disappointed in this episode was that I feel like there is something missing unexplained. What exactly wrong with the scandal that made Eiji so confused about, didn't seem to be explained well. It wasn't really explained well. Leave it to the show to forego coherence in order to maximize impact. I am not really sure who was the one that do something to Rina at the end, maybe someone doesn't want her to sing at Venus? The only thing I can really see in this episode is that Menou is trying to get rid of everything. By "everything" I mean both companies. I don't think Menou cares about anything at this point. And looking at the track record of the show, I'll just guess that Rina didn't expect the tea to be so hot, choked on it, and burned her tongue. |
| thank God Akira's alive. I was a bit displeased with it at first, but then realized we didn't see what happens and Akira most likely just got scared bu the car and fall from his bicycle (he's new at riding it afterall) why Eiji's so confused? I think it's just like he said himself: "I can't go on... Everything's gone... My paintings, my hideout, my company, my name, my Rina, and my dreams" He lost his shell and just like a newborn child who's seeing the world for the first time, he's confused. Besides, it wasn't just a shell. It was his PRECIOUS shell. In other words noteDhero said: he's realized that not only has he worked toward nothing, but that he gave everything up for it. That the cops are after him is an absolute afterthought. He's just running away from his problems like a child. Jacut said: - Touya doesn't care so much about Yuki anymore. I strongly disagree. In fact, this is the very first time when Touya cares about Yuki so much. This is the very first time she became his saviour-goddess. And the more I think about it, the more I come to a conclusion that during the previous years they were so close that they lost that feeling of preciousness between the two. And now, after all these events, after being separated, after having so many regrets about their doings they now have a chance to jump to a new level in their relationship they couldn't reach earlier. But what I'm a bit scared about is that they will leave something hidden and unexplained even after the end.... of all things the least one I want is an open or unfinished ending. And I kinda expected them to start telling a lot at the last episodes - they were hiding too much during the whole series. So it's finally time to open the kinder-surprise choco egg and see what's inside ^^ |
noteDhero said: And looking at the track record of the show, I'll just guess that Rina didn't expect the tea to be so hot, choked on it, and burned her tongue. I have thought that and thinking that maybe she was thinking too much. Maybe I am thinking too much LOL. Well we will see it. noteDhero said: I don't know if I remember it correct but I think she stated it somewhere during the last couple episode that she love Touya(something like she wants him for herself alone). And the way she was acting in these last couple episodes is questionable. More than just self-destructed, it is like she is plotting for Touya and her own happiness alone.I don't think Menou cares about anything at this point. |
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| When I said anything, I meant in relation to what you said about her trying to destroy both companies. I don't think she cares about how her actions affect M&M and Ogata. Like I said a few episodes ago, she's doing it all for her "happiness" and in this show, Touya is happiness. |
| Wow that was rushed. I thought I missed an episode for a second there. noteDhero said: All the shady business Kanzaki was doing with the paintings was an attempt to extort money out of Eiji. I'm guessing that they're version of the IRS saw weird accounting in Eiji's books (getting rid of paintings, selling Kanzaki Rina and the studio, etc.) and pursued him on it. He just hasn't been upfront with his expenditures, and when you run a business, you have to be meticulous or crap like this happens. Correct, Tamaru's dad mentioned in a past episode that Eiji was looking for buyers for his paintings but there was rumors that Eiji had money problems and was doing shady business under the table. The paintings where also rumored to be fakes. If someone like Tamaru's dad heard rumors like that then it would be easy to see the police catching wind too. The accusations are fake though so Eiji just needs to be audited. Eiji acted like a child and went into hiding. Looks like now he's going to face the police head on and explain though. Akira being perfectly ok was a big surprise lol. This is one reason why I thought I missed an episode. Yuki was an idiot this episode. She confronts a man having a breakdown and acts like she's interested in him. What's even more stupid is she runs back to Touya LIKE NOTHING WAS EVER HOLDING HER BACK. If she was in love with him she should have done that episodes ago for god sakes. Now Touya has a crying Yuki crying out words that are easily misunderstood. I'm thinking he may misunderstand and think she was raped by Eiji and find her undesirable. They're both retards so they should still stick together though....just don't bread. Menou apparently sees Yuki as the real....(goddess?). Again waaaay to much info to comprehend and come up with theory's now. |
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DeathfireD said: Menou apparently sees Yuki as the real....(goddess?). yup, I think Menou was saying there: "So, you've finally appeared (become)... the real... (Goddess)" - Yuki had always been just an Air for Touya, but never a Goddess. noteDhero said: and in this show, Touya is happiness. Lol, somehow made me think: now Haruhi is the Goddess, and Touya is the God. Time to spread the 'Touyaism' religion ^^ |
| Just wanted to say: Fantastic Job on analyzing all this guys/girls....keep up the work for next episode! I made some material available |
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| francis.. You know.. People usually go on to the next episode as soon as they've watched the episode, you don't have to advertise that you've made a thread for the next episode. |
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| that sure was a twist init ? |
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Oosran said: Forget it, you don't get it.francis.. You know.. People usually go on to the next episode as soon as they've watched the episode, you don't have to advertise that you've made a thread for the next episode. |
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| Yuki's song had once again make me moved... |
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francismeunier said: argilium said: We all are at this point.Wasabi said: but it's amazing.. and i'm always excited to see the next one......holy shit this show is one hot mess. LOL I can't hardly disagree with all of you because I feel the same! |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| Yuki seems to be confused just about everything. |
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| This episode wasn't confusing. It was just all over the place. |
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| Murder scene c'mon! Last hope to save the series, its not too late!!! |
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| Oh wow Yuki... I didn't expect that... but well cheating is just the main theme here so to be honest we can expect it from any character now. |
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| Woo! Akira is still alive! Although he's a lot less hurt than I thought someone would be after getting hit by a vehicle. He looks like he barely has any scratches! When Touya started to run out of the hospital room to Yuki because he was worried made me laugh. You don't give a shit about her. Who are you fooling? Looks like Touya didn't have sex with Menou. That's fine I guess. At least he can keep it in his pants once every billion times. Didn't expect Eiji to kiss Yuki. I was like "NOOOOO!" but she pushed him back. What the hell was in that drink that Rina drank? I was wonder what the hell she was outting in the cup as she was filling it up. It was green so maybe really hot tea? It couldn't have been something really acidic, can it? I hope she can still sing. |
| Eiji is only 28? Dont get me wrong, he looks young and all. I just thought that with him being the owner of a big music company, I thought that he would be close to the age of the owner of M&M. But I guess not. So I guess that his hair color is dyed then. So Yuki and Eiji huh? I like that couple :) And Yuki is allowed to cheat since Touya has been cheating first. So its fair game. On a serious note, the last 3 minutes were great, from the moment Yuki entered the apartment-hideout that Eiji was in. With the two of them going through so many emotions, that scene between the two of them and the kiss between of them was GREAT. Well done! |
oooo3333Jan 10, 2022 4:13 PM
| Didn't like this episode. Eiji can't have Yuki. She's in Touya's harem. It doesn't matter what Touya does. I want some action and fanservice from Menou. And Mana. Especially since Yayoi hasn't made an appearance in ages. Too bad Akira is still alive. And that idiot fat guard who poisoned the green tea, kill him off already. |
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