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| Ok, I can understand the reason why Oscar wants to be a man, but maybe it isn't the right one. Loving a guy doesn't make someone a woman, and the fact that someone was taught to be a man doesn't make them one. It isn't wrong that Oscar wants to change her gender, but since she wants to do it because of Fersen, and not for feeling like a man, it isn't the correct approach. So in this episode, André tried to show her this (even if it was a little too much). I would like to believe that the "saying" of the rose was meant to be that she will continue to be herself, and that can't be changed, it doesn't matter what her gender is. The problem now is that Oscar may misunderstood what he was trying to say. Also, that thing about "love that brings suffering" really hit hard lol. |
| Dramatic and tragic love with Oscar struggling to forget her female feelings for Fersen and André dealing with his right eye going blind (I hope it's because of the sudden strain and just needs some time to get used to having just one eye) while trying to convince Oscar a point that she can't change who she is and also finally coming clear with his love for Oscar (though in the worst way possible). |
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| Andre is very close to hitting bottom here. Not condoning what he did (way to confess your deepest secret you numbnuts. Real bad way to show it) but his blindness and the collapse of his world with Oscar leaving him is hitting him hard. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| OMG This was just too good! Loved the scene with Fersen finding out about Oscar's feelings, it was so good. Andre is soon to be fully blind, which is quite sad, though I did love the part when he showed Oscar that shes a woman and will never be a man, would have been even better if he fucked her, that would have really put her in her place haha. amazing! |
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| Andre..? what the heck, you ruined everything I always wanted them to love each other and for oscar to notice him but he ruined it, that's literally harassment Ah... why and I despise his line "a rose will forever stay a rose" anyone can be whoever they want to be (although this seems to be the whole point of the show and OP?) |
| bruh .... Andre ... as someone earlier eloquently put it that was very anti-smooth and as one of the posters said ,, I guess he wanted to see her tits before he went blind ... Andre drunk driving the horse was LOL ,, pretty cool --- Fersen the heartbreaker taking girls hearts and dipping Oscar just needs to accept her harem at this point .. then everybody's happy |
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| bro Andre, what the hell, I was rooting for you,,, that was just unnecessary and if I was Oscar, my trust would be broken |
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Alcoholicide said: Lol at the beginning, Andre staring directly towards the sun and then wondering why his eye is blurry. But this episode is probably my new favorite so far. Very dramatic and tragic, with Oscar facing Fersen, Andre facing Oscar and losing his second eye too. The scene at the end was very strong, especially the epic slap. I guess Andre wanted to see her tits even once before he went blind, lol. Andre is such a pitiful character :( I feel his pain. Hi was wondering the same thing when I saw the beginning(°▽°) |
on Alcoholicide said: Lol at the beginning, Andre staring directly towards the sun and then wondering why his eye is blurry. But this episode is probably my new favorite so far. Very dramatic and tragic, with Oscar facing Fersen, Andre facing Oscar and losing his second eye too. The scene at the end was very strong, especially the epic slap. I guess Andre wanted to see her tits even once before he went blind, lol. Andre is such a pitiful character :( I feel his pain. Btw one of the best comments of this topic lol. |
| Everyone getting confronted with their unrequited love with Marie's pledge setting the tone for the rest of the episode and what a tragedy! It even got an epic slap scene! The feelings! Andre knew he screwed up. |
| the only love, is the painful one!!! kekeke |
| damn, what an ep. Only one kind of love out there boys and gals. The love of agony, lol. Wasnt expecting Andre to rip Oscars shirt off. I playing it up as an accident as he is losing his vision, its dark in there, and he isnt thinking clearly so he tried to pull his hand away i guess. Also, Oscar pulling a Fersen. Trying to run away from these emotions. |
"Perfection is perception. For me, humanity's imperfections is what makes it perfect"  |
| Waah, waaa! The tension this episode had! This is the "finally" episode for all of them. I didn't expect at all that Andre would kiss Oscar but I think it's because there were so many mixed feelings for him at the time. Aaaa but I hope Andre won't go blind! Please, at least don't let him go blind! |
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Reply to Ryu-B
Ok, I can understand the reason why Oscar wants to be a man, but maybe it isn't the right one. Loving a guy doesn't make someone a woman, and the fact that someone was taught to be a man doesn't make them one. It isn't wrong that Oscar wants to change her gender, but since she wants to do it because of Fersen, and not for feeling like a man, it isn't the correct approach. So in this episode, André tried to show her this (even if it was a little too much). I would like to believe that the "saying" of the rose was meant to be that she will continue to be herself, and that can't be changed, it doesn't matter what her gender is. The problem now is that Oscar may misunderstood what he was trying to say.
Also, that thing about "love that brings suffering" really hit hard lol.
Also, that thing about "love that brings suffering" really hit hard lol.
| @Ryu-B Great assessment. Wanting to identify as the gender you feel you actually are, isn't bad. The issue is that she's equating feelings and romance to being a woman. She thinks that only women can fall for women, and that men can't fall for men. That's... Not good thinking at all. Rosalie and Charlotte alone, prove that wrong. Both of them were girls who had a crush on Oscar. Charlotte and Rosalie left, because they didn't want the fate of being married to a man (granted, he was a sick and perverted man that even non-lesbian women wouldn't want, but still). Men can obviously fall for men. So her wanting to identify as a man, is rooting in problematic thinking. |
| First, I will say that I truly feel awful for Marie Antoinette. Dealing with a sick child is one of the worst things in the world. I remember the lady that did my sister and I's hair, telling us that she buried her parents before she buried her grandparents. One of the saddest things we've heard. Fersen isn't horribly written, but he is annoying. He's basically trying to go to Oscar, when Marie Antoinette gave him the boot. Though I can't feel too bad for Oscar, but she allows it to happen. Andre... Oh my God... So much went wrong for you this episode... He's a well written character, but he isn't enjoyable anymore. He's right to call out Oscar for only identifying as a man, to avoid her love for Fersen. That has horrible implications:
Uh... Yeah... Though telling Oscar that a person born as a certain sex, can't identify as another gender, is just wrong. He also basically pinned her down and brutally ripped her shirt off. Andre is complete trash. Though maybe that's the point of his character. Just because he was seemingly nice for a while, doesn't mean that he's the ultimate nice guy. Also, just as Oscar could've gotten over Fersen, he likewise could've gotten over Oscar. So I ultimately feel no sympathy for him. |
| Andre lost his mind along with his eyesight. Didn't he realize that there was no going back from doing that? It was a dumb move. About people debating in the comments about whether what Andre did was because he wanted to do it or he was just teaching Oscar a practical lesson. Remember that Oscar was raised to fight. She can handle things very well even if she is physically weaker (she is a woman after all) and she has been in fights before. He didn't manage to push her down and rip off her clothes because he was stronger. Oscar was simply terrified. There's a difference between a fist fight and attempted rape. This is the most terrifying assault a woman could face. |
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