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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- So, it's the final episode of the first cour isn't it? Since the BD sets end at episode 24. Haha, the panties joke. Thank you based DP. The opening with sound effects was pretty amazing. Anyway, nice filler with Suzie Q, I admit it was a nice touch. Especially for Joseph and Jotaro's developing. Also, the choice for the final soundtracks was perfect. OH THE FINAL TEASER FOR THANKS DP. The 2nd cour is going to be even better, hopefully we'll get some new OP or ED. (not sure about the latter though) |
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| It seems David Production continues its tradition to add sound effects to the (second-to-)last episode. I can't say I am a fan of it, but whatever. Polnareff's and Kakyoin's wonderful bonding moment was as fun as in the manga, though. The rest of the fight was also just as hilarious as in the manga. I also really liked the recap at the end with the map in the background while Stand Proud played, nice summary. Same for the filler scenes with Dio and Suzie Q, a welcomed closure for the upcoming break. And yes, this seems to be the final episode of this cour just like one could deduct from the BD/DVD episode listing. The final teaser was put in there to hype people up for the next cour, just like with Jojo 2012. |
NidhoeggrSep 12, 2014 9:01 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Jotarooooooooooooooooooo~ This is a pretty intense fight. Seems like there were even more punches than usual. The classic ORA ORA ORA ORA ORA always catches my attention and the jokes made their points. Looks like they did a short review of fights they've been through so far. EGYPT at long last. So should the MAL database set the finish date to today? Edit: they should remove the censors in the BDs. |
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| So, how do you rate this season overall? I am personally torn between a 7 and an 8 out of 10. This cour had better budget, some nice filler, equally good voice acting and (very important!) very well animated 2d Stands, but unfortunately it toned down the massive color changes and SFX a bit compared to the previous season. Not to mention that the first part of Stardust Crusaders - while still being creative and very entertaining - is just not as good as Battle Tendency or the second SC part imho. Still one of the best anime these past two seasons, though - which is saying a lot because competition was quite tough with Ping Pong, Mushishi, Sidonia, Space Dandy and a few select others. I personally can't wait to see what DP will do with the second part: Which songs will they choose? What small changes will they make? It should be paced faster than this season as well, given that we still have a lot to cover. PS: Get hyped for |
NidhoeggrSep 12, 2014 9:09 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| 100/10, amazing way to end the season. And yes, this was the final episode. It had information about when the series will come back in January at the end. We really need a mod to change the amount of episodes to 24. EDIT: Thanks mod! |
GyroSpinSep 12, 2014 9:41 AM
Nidhoeggr said: So, how do you rate this season overall? Uhmm, I'd say a solid 8/10 deserves it all. Also, if DP made this good the first half I really have no idea how much glorious the second one will be. That's why I'm quite confident that I'll end up to give it no less than 9/10. Saandro said: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gsxXvKnuZ7s I'm so excited for the next part. Watching this rather boring half just made me more excited to see the later fights. Haha, what a good way to say Goodbye to our weekly dose of JoJo. Dio has no faults. |
AkanezoraSep 12, 2014 10:13 AM
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| It looks like the MAL entry has been changed to 24 episodes now. |
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| Can't believe it finally ended. Shame it's a split course, but when it comes back in the new year Egypt is going to be awesome :D I just realized the second half of the second course will probably only be 3 fights. This season was a solid 8. One thing I didn't really like was everything being dragged out way more than it needed to. Some filler scenes were nice but other moments felt obnoxious in a way. It was still a fun ride though. The 20 second ora barrage was great and I'm looking forward to MUDA v ORA. |
| And I'm here to ask where did you find the episode? because Horrible didn't upload it yet. |
The_ClownPrince said: And I'm here to ask where did you find the episode? because Horrible didn't upload it yet. I watched it on Japanese TV. |
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
Nidhoeggr said: So, how do you rate this season overall? -/10 until I see the rest of it. How MAL splits shows that are the same thing into two seasons drives me crazy. So far it's been near flawless though. Everything is adapted perfectly, no fights skipped, filler is actually good and adds merit, improves on source material in a significant way from time to time. Can't ask for much more. The VAs are also great, and the OST is pretty solid (although part 1/2 OST was more memorable for me). If they remain consistent throughout the next half it will be an easy 10/10 overall for me, but I am rather biased towards this part and the characters. |
Nidhoeggr said: The_ClownPrince said: And I'm here to ask where did you find the episode? because Horrible didn't upload it yet. I watched it on Japanese TV. I see. They do it on purpose I think to not release Jojo on time,oh well I'm going to wait.. Edit:They have production issues. |
-Feitanx-Sep 12, 2014 10:56 AM
| Ugh, I have to wait another year to complete this disappointing arc of JoJo? Just will point out, I watched this episode RAW, and I mostly don't understand Japanese, but frankly it didn't matter by this point. The dialogue and sequence of events is extremely predictable (plus there's plot synopses online). Slightly disappointed that they didn't decide to give a better look at who Midler is, but the manga didn't do that anyway (though the Capcom JoJo game did in contrast). Good points: +Good voice acting +Phenomenal Soundtrack +Fabulously dramatic visuals Bad points: -Character development is extremely limited -Pacing is downright terrible. Monster of the week with virtually no effort to make any of it feel significant for the time spent. -Plot is frankly...just not very smart. How many times have they been completely caught off guard by new Stands? Also Joseph is mostly clueless in spite of his supposed experience in life and battle. If the visuals and sound quality wasn't better, I'd be debating on something like a 4/10 because holy hell, this arc just is nowhere nearly as well written as the previous two. But I did overall enjoy the art, music, and voice acting and found it all appropriate and funny. 7/10 I think is fair, possibly more than what the show deserves. It can be enjoyable, but the story overall clearly doesn't have nearly as much thought put into it as some other longer Shonens. HxH for instance is way longer than JoJo part 3, but has way fewer episodes feeding you content that feels mostly irrelevant. |
A2ZOMGSep 12, 2014 1:26 PM
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| I can not wait until next season! This season has been so fun <3 |
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| Egypt half hype (officially) begins. |
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A2ZOMG said: The dialogue and sequence of events is extremely predictable (plus there's plot synopses online). Slightly disappointed that they didn't decide to give a better look at who Midler is, but the manga didn't do that anyway (though the Capcom JoJo game did in contrast). You mean after her face was smashed? Did they show that in the old capcom game? (I'm genuinely asking since I haven't played it yet) Also yes, in the manga Midler's face was shown before being smashed. Anyway, as for SC. For the most part it's predictable yes (not entirely though, there are some deaths you simply can't predict). It is really simple and linear as concept but that's because it's experimental, and obviously if you are experimenting something, the best way to do that it's by doing it on a very simple story. Also, JoJo is quite the comedy actually, the fights till now were made completely for a comedic and creative purpose and therefore the "episodic" concept worked perfectly imo. As for the character development, if we're talking about Jotaro .. I fear yes. I never really liked him before the anime, since the lack of development was a huge let down in my case but DP is improving that slowly, like showing Jotaro who starts to care for Joseph and Suzie Q in the filler scene at the end of this episode (and for his companions of course, but we won't see that anytime soon). While Polnareff I think had the biggest spotlight for the character development. Ah, about the comparison between HxH and SC. I don't find it too fair in all honesty. SC was written like 10 years before HxH, on a "rivolutionary" and experimental wave of those years. If you feel that HxH has fewer "irrelevant" episodes, I think because it's not using the JoJo formula, while SC mostly wants to entertain in amusing and creative ways the spectator; HxH wants to engage the spectator in more or less complicated stories that twist on the main storyline. So what I'm trying to say is, even if they are both shounen they are two completely different works. |
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Akanezora said: A2ZOMG said: The dialogue and sequence of events is extremely predictable (plus there's plot synopses online). Slightly disappointed that they didn't decide to give a better look at who Midler is, but the manga didn't do that anyway (though the Capcom JoJo game did in contrast). You mean after her face was smashed? Did they show that in the old capcom game? (I'm genuinely asking since I haven't played it yet) No they didn't show it |
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Akanezora said: The Capcom JoJo game didn't necessarily show that. It did however have some extra images that generally gave a better idea what Midler's face looked like.You mean after her face was smashed? Did they show that in the old capcom game? (I'm genuinely asking since I haven't played it yet) Also yes, in the manga Midler's face was shown before being smashed. Anyway, as for SC. For the most part it's predictable yes (not entirely though, there are some deaths you simply can't predict). It is really simple and linear as concept but that's because it's experimental, and obviously if you are experimenting something, the best way to do that it's by doing it on a very simple story. Also, JoJo is quite the comedy actually, the fights till now were made completely for a comedic and creative purpose and therefore the "episodic" concept worked perfectly imo. As for the character development, if we're talking about Jotaro .. I fear yes. I never really liked him before the anime, since the lack of development was a huge let down in my case but DP is improving that slowly, like showing Jotaro who starts to care for Joseph and Suzie Q in the filler scene at the end of this episode (and for his companions of course, but we won't see that anytime soon). While Polnareff I think had the biggest spotlight for the character development. Ah, about the comparison between HxH and SC. I don't find it too fair in all honesty. SC was written like 10 years before HxH, on a "rivolutionary" and experimental wave of those years. If you feel that HxH has fewer "irrelevant" episodes, I think because it's not using the JoJo formula, while SC mostly wants to entertain in amusing and creative ways the spectator; HxH wants to engage the spectator in more or less complicated stories that twist on the main storyline. So what I'm trying to say is, even if they are both shounen they are two completely different works. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=78faUc8QoE4 (start at around 4:57) You want to say part 3 was experimental? What were parts 1 and 2 then? The point is part 3's writing overall is nowhere nearly as creative or cohesive as the previous parts of the series. More time is spent throwing details that can quickly be forgotten. There is also much less time spent actually really expanding on character personalities, except for basically Polnareff, the supposed comic relief character. And even if JoJo was a comedy, which it strictly isn't, a lack of compelling characters doesn't make it funnier or more interesting. Joseph Joestar in part 2 makes the story function and appeal to the audience because his character is extremely well fleshed out with a background that also doesn't feel tacked on or random, and there's only extremely few instances where he runs into situations that are quickly discarded as irrelevant. Heck, even though Jonathan is a predictable Determinator in part 1, he and Dio in like four episodes are made far more complete characters than Jotaro in all of 24 episodes. Even though JoJo isn't a comedy, I'd wager that overall Parts 1 and 2 are definitely more humorous as a whole given the characterization is far clearer and more compelling. So when Dio for instance asks Zeppeli "how many breads have you eaten", the viewer REALLY understands how completely hideous of a statement that is. Whereas with Jotaro the only real thing you get out of him is that he's pissed and annoyed 99% of the time, thus the only really "interesting" thing they could get out of him was the one or two moments he decides to laugh. There isn't really an excuse for poor writing. Part 3 just wasn't very creative period. The anime is passable strictly on visceral enjoyment though. Art is alright, voice acting is pretty good, and most importantly the soundtrack is very very good. Good action shows have good soundtracks, which Stardust Crusaders at least manages to do. |
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Akanezora said: -snip, for space- Quality post, 10/10 A2ZOMG said: You want to say part 3 was experimental? What were parts 1 and 2 then? The point is part 3's writing overall is nowhere nearly as creative or cohesive as the previous parts of the series. cohesive writing =/= experimental. Part 3 was actually a lot more experimental than Parts 1 and 2. When Jojo first came out, there were tons of manga and anime where characters had similar powers to The Ripple (Hamon). Things like Dragonball, Fist of the North Star, etc where all the characters used the same abstract "energy". Jojo Part 3 was extremely experimental, because it was one of the first manga, certainly the first one to reach that level of success, where each character was given their own unique ability. When Araki came up with this, he was more focused on making the fights as unique and interesting as possible by coming up with crazy powers, and ways to use them (such as them shrinking in The Lovers fight, which I don't think stands ever do in the entire manga after that), etc. Don't get me wrong, I totally agree that the story of Part 3 falls completely flat after Part 2, and I also agree that Part 3 barely has a plot, but Part 3's experimental and dynamic system of fighting (stands) is, in my opinion, far superior to The Ripple and the fights in Part 1 and 2. You should also wait on your opinion of Part 3 until the end, because Egypt is much better than everything before Egypt. Hopefully Part 4 will be animated soon after 3, because it is far superior to both Part 2 and 3. |
| First cour have been amazing, Jojo deserved an adaptation like this. Egypt hype is here! |
Akanezora said: Nidhoeggr said: So, how do you rate this season overall? Uhmm, I'd say a solid 8/10 deserves it all. Also, if DP made this good the first half I really have no idea how much glorious the second one will be. That's why I'm quite confident that I'll end up to give it no less than 9/10. Pretty much this. |
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I'm sad they didn't use Midler's official design Araki made later. Looking forward to watching the episode in English, though this episode only reminded me how a number of Jotaro's victories are really kinda asspulls. It seems silly to suggest that High Priestess couldn't have regrown her teeth or that Midler fell unconscious and couldn't fight after that. |
A2ZOMG said: Part 3 just wasn't very creative period. Hard to tell if you are being serious. Part 3 introduces one of the most unique and versitiale battle systems in the entire medium. The first two parts are derived (albiet excellent) battle series that may as well be Hokuto no Ken side stories. Stardust Crusaders however is packed full of unprecedented creative and wild ideas. There is no comparison between which season brings more new ideas to the table. I'm not here to get into the silly "which part is better" debate but to say Stardust Crusaders is not a creative work is simply not an accurate assessment. It has problems but a lack of unique ideas is certainly not one of them. |
Kellhus said: A2ZOMG said: Part 3 just wasn't very creative period. -snip- to avoid giant posts I think I'm feeling what he means, in a way. Part one/two felt like they were being very creative with a single concept, whereas part 3 they ditch that and create an entirely new concept which expands on itself as the series goes along. I think I preferred the first two parts. I enjoyed seeing all the different stands and such but... only for a single episode. The gimmicky nature of most of the mechanics introduced in this part didn't really hold well past a single episode where it was dealt with in, for me at least. Still a great series and definitely stands apart from most things I've seen, just wasn't feelin' the freshness as much this season, started getting a tad stagnant towards the end. If Joseph wasn't in this season I'd have probably not went through the trouble of keeping up to date. |
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| I agree. Felt like the whole stands idea came out of nowhere. Nonetheless still a great series. 8/10 |
| I really don't understand the new fans, some of these comments are just crazy. |
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Juusan13 said: I really don't understand the new fans, some of these comments are just crazy. In future, if you could be a good sport and play the part of veteran elitist properly, educate the new fans on why their comments are crazy. Shit posting snarky remarks doesn't really help them 'see the light'. Where's the JoJo ardour gone? ;o Anyway, looking forward to the next installment, I hope this journey was worth it :D |
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Vexper said: I think I'm feeling what he means, in a way. Part one/two felt like they were being very creative with a single concept It's puzzling to me that you would consider PB/BT to be "very creative". PB/BT is straight copypasta of other stuff that was going on at the time (or prior), but managed to rise above that overall due to Araki being gifted with fight choreography and character design/interaction. Stands are what sets Jojo apart. For the record I wasn't saying which part is better or whatever. Mileage varies with this stuff and that's all good. Was just saying that the "it's not creative" thing holds no weight. |
Kellhus said: Vexper said: I think I'm feeling what he means, in a way. Part one/two felt like they were being very creative with a single concept It's puzzling to me that you would consider PB/BT to be "very creative". PB/BT is straight copypasta of other stuff that was going on at the time (or prior), but managed to rise above that overall due to Araki being gifted with fight choreography and character design/interaction. Stands are what sets Jojo apart. For the record I wasn't saying which part is better or whatever. Mileage varies with this stuff and that's all good. Was just saying that the "it's not creative" thing holds no weight. They should read/watch Hokuto no Ken before commenting about Jojo part 1 and 2 xD |
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Kellhus said: And why are Stands new? Just because they came out in the 1990s? Please, superpowers are as old as civilization itself. Don't try to pull that nonsense on me. Stands are like any other poorly explained superpower. The author needed an excuse to make weird superpowers, and his terrible excuse is Stands. So no, you can't argue that Stands are creative and what set Jojo apart. There's other MORE important things that separate Jojo from other series. Vexper said: I think I'm feeling what he means, in a way. Part one/two felt like they were being very creative with a single concept It's puzzling to me that you would consider PB/BT to be "very creative". PB/BT is straight copypasta of other stuff that was going on at the time (or prior), but managed to rise above that overall due to Araki being gifted with fight choreography and character design/interaction. Stands are what sets Jojo apart. For the record I wasn't saying which part is better or whatever. Mileage varies with this stuff and that's all good. Was just saying that the "it's not creative" thing holds no weight. JoJo's Bizarre Adventure first and foremost is known to be a "fabulous" series. Why exactly is that so? Because of the characters, art style, and straight faced over the top execution. Part 3's characters however are bland and overall uninteresting, which makes being over the top a lot less impactful when the author evidently couldn't really decide how to seriously define his main characters. Just for the record, there is absolutely no such thing as a creative story premise. So blaming a story premise like PB and BT for being similar to other things isn't really relevant, when FRANKLY, EVERY THING THAT WAS EVER WRITTEN ALREADY EXISTED SOMEWHERE. Creativity comes down to the execution, and the work put into making the viewer feel legitimacy and thoughtfulness from the creation. Both PB and BT are very well written AND creative, in creating compelling characters who can be over the top simultaneously with a story that isn't just simply bizarre, but also coherent. The problem with Stardust Crusaders is effectively 90% of the story is Monster of the Week fluff and basically tells you almost nothing about the main characters. What do Stands do for the series? They're just superpowers. But the story itself is overly simplistic, mostly predictable, and just feeds you random information that doesn't even remain relevant most of the time. It's not seriously creative. It just feels like it probably could have been written very quickly. |
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A2ZOMG said: The problem with Stardust Crusaders is effectively 90% of the story is Monster of the Week fluff and basically tells you almost nothing about the main characters. What do Stands do for the series? They're just superpowers. But the story itself is overly simplistic, mostly predictable, and just feeds you random information that doesn't even remain relevant most of the time. It's not seriously creative. It just feels like it probably could have been written very quickly. As someone who quite enjoys Stardust Crusaders, even I can admit that this is a weakness. 24 episodes in, DIO has done nothing to really establish himself as a main villain like he did in Phantom Blood, which really seems to be setting him up to be pushed into the Monster of the Week role as well. Additionally, aside from Polnareff, the characters' pasts are never really delved into. We don't get a lot of information about Kakyoin, for instance. How do his parents feel about him traveling to Egypt to kill a vampire? Did they even notice their son was acting weird when they returned from there last time? And so on. Made even worse is the fact that we get even less insight into Jotaro. The best idea of his character we have upon their arrival to Egypt is that he's a really stoic guy who likes Columbo and beating the daylights out of people who piss him off. On the topic of Stands, I have to admit that I'm a sucker for these. However, I can also admit that that's primarily because I know how much better Araki gets at writing them. Stands in Part 3 are very basic, and I can see why someone would be hard on them when Jotaro's Stand just punches, Polnareff's Stand just cuts, Joseph's Stand just grabs things, and Avdol's Stand just shoots fire when it comes to fights. Kakyoin's, I'd say, is the most interesting in terms of utility, but even then it's basic to a lot of what comes later. In terms of what Stands do for the series, I'd say that they serve to help limit the abilities of characters. If you were to take a look at the things Joseph does with the Ripple in Part 2, you'd see that he develops and loses various abilities as the plot demands, including being able to deflect bullets with hair. I believe Stands were meant to give the characters more consistent powers, though Araki likely wrote himself into a corner with Star Platinum, which is why it just seems to develop the abilities it needs to win fights (I'm looking at YOU, Star Finger). So, overall, I'd say these are valid complaints. It's true that Stardust Crusaders is quite fun, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone wasn't immediately sold on all of the changes. That being said, I hope you find Egypt more enjoyable. |
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A2ZOMG said: Stands new? Just because they came out in the 1990s? Please, superpowers are as old as civilization itself. Don't try to pull that nonsense on me. Stands are like any other poorly explained superpower. The author needed an excuse to make weird superpowers, and his terrible excuse is Stands. So no, you can't argue that Stands are creative and what set Jojo apart. There's other MORE important things that separate Jojo from other series. Yes, Stands are new because Araki was the first to do them in this context. It's not nonsense, but your argument sure seems to be. Everything you are saying here could just as easily by applied to parts 1/2. Hamon is surely a more "terrible" excuse for superpowers than the wildly imaginative encounters and designs that Stands bring to the game. Also they came out in the mid-80s, not that the date is especially important. Most of what you are saying here seems to be driven entirely by opinion as well. Pulling the "nothing is original" card after getting called out doesn't help your case either. Phantom Blood is literally an amalgamation of various popular media at the time, namely Hokuto no Ken and Castlevania. To consider a dude going around punching zombies Kenshiro style more creative than the Stand battles that SC presents is frankly asinine. I'll also point out that BT handles back-story more or less in the same manner as SC. We know very little about Caesar until his tiny back-story arc, Joseph is presented in the same manner as Jotaro but with a different personality, no development for anyone overall really. No characters throughout the entirety of the PB/BT arcs receive much of any notable or significant character development that is worth contrasting against SC. If anything Polnareff is the most developed character so far so the point is moot anyway. But that's not the focus here and isn't required for it to be entertaining. It's not fine literature, it's about punching people in the face, and Jojo delivers that in spades. |
| Really looking forward to next season. Part 3 is amazing and I won't hear otherwise :P I do have a complaint for this episode though. I'm not sure why they thought it would be cool to add a filler scene and then censor is so severely that it was prettymuch just a black screen for 10 whole seconds. That was retarded. |
| Oh to hear Dio's sweet silky voice, even if it was just a couple lines. MMMMMNNNN I'm gonna miss this so SO DAMN MUCH! At leased the last episode of the year had all the best components of part 3 JoJo; Dio's heart melting voice, a badass ora ora rush, A DUDE WITH A SPEEDWAGON HAT, gratuitous Joseph Joestar Engrish, and most importantly, Polnareff and Kakyoin acting like a couple of weirdos. Now I just gotta make it to JoJo January....LET'S GO!!! |
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| Was liking this anime until around episode 16. Huge fucking let down overall though, and this season finale was garbage. I have no clue why this anime is so fucking padded out. Honestly wish I knew that going in so I could just watch up to episode 3, and just wait for the Dio fight. 1/5 |
| And so ends the first half with a sneak peek of Iggy... Overall, I thought the first half was VERY well done. They added some things that made the characters have a bit more to them than in the manga. It's the tiny changes that boost my enjoyable just a tad... and of course the performances of the voice actors. The animation of course was pretty much top of the line. They took the 2012 anime's animation and boosted the overall artwork and animation and it really shined throughout... and do I even have to mention the soundtrack? I don't think I do. The pacing was of course somewhat episodic but it did give a bit of insight into cultures around the world and the battles were fought with strategy more than brute force even if the strategies sometimes involved brute force. It has a lot of complexity to it but... I'd lie if I said I'd prefer this over good pacing... They made the pacing too slow for my liking. The pacing is strictly my ONLY problem with the show though and I hardly noticed it. The characters are just as lovable as how I read them(maybe even more so), They go through slight developments, are fully fleshed out and have remarkable chemistry with each other. Overall I give this first half a very respectable 8/10 and I cannot wait for January.. arg.. Why did they have to do this to me? ; ; |
| I'm a bit disappointed that this started to feel like it dragged on a bit but it's still a solid 8/10. Can't wait for the rest. |
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| Well its over. I wasn't sure it would end today, but I think they picked a good place to end it! As for my overall rating of the show...I'm going to have to give it an 8.5/10. It was doing pretty solid 9 territory, but the last few stands kind of brought it down a bit. I think the best part of the season were the middle episodes with Tower of Grey to The Sun. I'm pleasantly surprised with this series though. Considering I didn't really like the first two parts very much, and was hesitant to watch SC. I'm glad I did! Its superior in nearly every way. The introduction of Stands gave the series the special push it needed to be fantastic. Well until January it looks like I'll be...Walking like an Egyptian! |
Kellhus said: A2ZOMG said: Stands new? Just because they came out in the 1990s? Please, superpowers are as old as civilization itself. Don't try to pull that nonsense on me. Stands are like any other poorly explained superpower. The author needed an excuse to make weird superpowers, and his terrible excuse is Stands. So no, you can't argue that Stands are creative and what set Jojo apart. There's other MORE important things that separate Jojo from other series. Yes, Stands are new because Araki was the first to do them in this context. It's not nonsense, but your argument sure seems to be. Everything you are saying here could just as easily by applied to parts 1/2. Hamon is surely a more "terrible" excuse for superpowers than the wildly imaginative encounters and designs that Stands bring to the game. Also they came out in the mid-80s, not that the date is especially important. Most of what you are saying here seems to be driven entirely by opinion as well. Pulling the "nothing is original" card after getting called out doesn't help your case either. Phantom Blood is literally an amalgamation of various popular media at the time, namely Hokuto no Ken and Castlevania. To consider a dude going around punching zombies Kenshiro style more creative than the Stand battles that SC presents is frankly asinine. I'll also point out that BT handles back-story more or less in the same manner as SC. We know very little about Caesar until his tiny back-story arc, Joseph is presented in the same manner as Jotaro but with a different personality, no development for anyone overall really. No characters throughout the entirety of the PB/BT arcs receive much of any notable or significant character development that is worth contrasting against SC. If anything Polnareff is the most developed character so far so the point is moot anyway. But that's not the focus here and isn't required for it to be entertaining. It's not fine literature, it's about punching people in the face, and Jojo delivers that in spades. I can only agree with everything Kellhus has said in all of his previous posts. I think the main problem YOU have is that what MAL share with you in general: You irrationally hate episodic storytelling. And sure, Part 3 has a weak plot, nobody ever denied that. But each Stand fight in itself is well-written, tight and cohesive. Just like it was before and really: Hamon is - and I said this in another thread before - simply Chi energy with some electricity sparks and some dude shouting "[Random color + substantive] OVERDRIVE!" at the enemy. It was flamboyant and that is what it made out, surely not the creative approach of the first part (who is basically a carbon copy of HnK) and the second (more creativity here, but still very much a product of its time). Do Stand have generic superpowers at first? Yes, because well.. everything has to start with the basics first. Nen, devil fruits and some other stuff were also pretty basic at the start. However, Stands literally stand out because of their unique design and approach that was quite new in manga back then in 1990! During the past 25 a lot has changed, including shifting demographics, several crisis and bloom preiods of the industry, etc. It's ignorant to disregard the novelity during its publication based on a warped modern perspective. And if you are familiar with the series you will know that during the next parts Stands will get CRAZY and indeed very bizarre, a small taste of what is about to come will be delivered with SC's second half. And it's not like series made it clear that the story is not the main meat of the story. Jojo is a franchise that changes what it wants to every single Part. Change is the only thing shared by all parts. I mean, Part 4 is a SoL, Part 7 a Western, the entire cast is always replaced and most of the main characters and villians change personalities, goals, etc.! And as with a lot of episodic shows the overarching plot is sometimes less important than the lessons learned from each encounter. Same for Joseph getting old. A lot of people cannot deal with change and that's ok. But Jojo is full of transition and changes because - and that is actually a confirmed main theme by Araki himself -it is a "celebration of humanity". And humanity has been subjects to changes. Araki wants to portray how people prevail in all kinds of changing circumstances and he combines it with smewhat corny morality, pathos, raw emotion and tight fight choreographies. That's the essence of Jojo to an extent. Vexper said: Juusan13 said: I really don't understand the new fans, some of these comments are just crazy. In future, if you could be a good sport and play the part of veteran elitist properly, educate the new fans on why their comments are crazy. Shit posting snarky remarks doesn't really help them 'see the light'. Where's the JoJo ardour gone? ;o Anyway, looking forward to the next installment, I hope this journey was worth it :D I have just done that, consider yourself enlightened. cyclone1993 said: Well its over. I wasn't sure it would end today, but I think they picked a good place to end it! As for my overall rating of the show...I'm going to have to give it an 8.5/10. It was doing pretty solid 9 territory, but the last few stands kind of brought it down a bit. I think the best part of the season were the middle episodes with Tower of Grey to The Sun. I'm pleasantly surprised with this series though. Considering I didn't really like the first two parts very much, and was hesitant to watch SC. I'm glad I did! Its superior in nearly every way. The introduction of Stands gave the series the special push it needed to be fantastic. Well until January it looks like I'll be...Walking like an Egyptian! Indeed, it is the best break point. I am also glad that a lot of people seem to have liked The Sun. It was always one of the fights I personally really lvoed but was disregarded as lame filler by a few others. If I had to pick my high and low points Stand-wise, The Sun would be up there at the top. And yes, the first SC part has quite a few Stands that people are not fond of like Judgement. Dp managed to bring out the best of them, though. |
NidhoeggrSep 13, 2014 12:47 AM
| Steel Ball Run anime when? |
| Solid episode,Kakyoin and Polnareff were hilarious with the hand signs and the ORAORAORA was so good.The thing that I didn't like was the censhorship in the end,but the BD will make up for that/ Well for the series I'll give an 8,I was between 7-8 because of the last episodes,but the overall enjoyement is high. The hype is real for January! |
| So, how did Jotaro talk underwater... Did I miss something? Anyway, good series all around but S1 was a lot better. The whole stand thing is a bit eh. |
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| Man, 4 months without my saturday morning dose of Jojo... Anyway it was a good adaption but I never liked part three much so this gets a 7/10. Next season is going to have quite a few more awesome fights, so looking forward to that. |
Tyrel said: So, how did Jotaro talk underwater... Did I miss something? He talked underwater before this, in the episode with the sea captain way back in the first cour. They explained it briefly then, although I really don't remember exactly what the reason was. It was some bullshit about stand powers, though. |
| Good first half, DP did a great job of adapting part 3 so far. I guess I'll give it an 8/10 and see how it goes from here in January. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| What a great journey it has been and it will continue to be |
| I gotta wait 4 months for the next arc?! As joseph joestar would say "HORY SHET!!" At least itll be a nice thing to look forward to during christmas |
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