Ookami to Koushinryou II Episode 11 Discussion

Sep 19, 2009 12:17 AM

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Gah, they act so lovey-dovey couple like in this series.... they should just get with each other already, move it to the next base!

THIS. omg, Lawrence and Horo, please, just kiss or something already I beg of you!

Anyways, great episode as always. woah! A rebellion. Didn't expect that! How are they gonna resolve this whole thing in one episode?
hmm, How much you people wanna bet that they're going to end it with a cliff hanger? I bet they are~

Eheheh I'd say they can't end this series until Lawrence and Horo have at least kissed, sounds perfectly reasonable to me, and thus, I hope they won't do that until next season : D (if there is one... no wait, there Must be one : D)

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Sep 19, 2009 12:32 AM

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A good but really slow paced episode (at least it felt like to me). One can always tell that something bad is about to ensue but a rebellion is a bit large scale.

This is making me sad. HnG is over and this finale is about to follow suit.

Sep 19, 2009 3:54 AM

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Zilpzalp said:
Anybody care to tell me what's so bad about a rebellion?

It isn't, it's cool, rebellions are for cool people : D..

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Sep 19, 2009 8:24 AM

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I must say, I was also caught off guard with this rebellion situation and I was also pleased with the almost intimate bed play in their chamber. We discover that Horo is in fact scared to fall in love and therefore wants to leave before she gets too attached. But well, isn't this little rebellion convenient? Or is it a nuisance? I was very happy to be caught off guard with this episode. I expected a completely different sinario, that involved Abe stabbing Lawrence in the back for her little salt deal, and possibly a deal with the church to get their hands on Horo. And still I just can't be sure of anything going into the last episode.

Sep 19, 2009 9:02 AM

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Orion1 said:
I expected a completely different sinario, that involved Abe stabbing Lawrence in the back for her little salt deal, and possibly a deal with the church to get their hands on Horo. And still I just can't be sure of anything going into the last episode.

I still think you'll see Abe double-cross Lawrence and Horo somehow. Since the deal is likely to fall to pieces I am guessing that the church may still be involved. You are right, it's "too convenient" and my guess is that the rebellion will only serve as a convenient way for Lawrence to get physically injured. The guy is such a disaster magnet..

Sep 20, 2009 2:49 AM

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Salt is an integral part of producing fur - ie, tanners need it. That and also its rarity mean salt is worth a lot of money.. but i am equally stumped by how salt statues and salt smuggle could lead to more profit? To my knowledge salt has never been smuggled (Why, it was never illegal!). (And the salt quality does little to what tanning uses it for)

Can somebody explain this in detail?

Ok, sure the council decision must have pissed off local and foreign merchants, and that means no income, could mean a rebellion... but maybe this is initiated by the church to clean out the council and replace it with church followers? I am completely clueless now ;(

Sep 20, 2009 3:10 AM

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I don't want their journey to stop, doesn't that mean no third season?

Sep 20, 2009 4:56 AM

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eRe4s3r said:
Salt is an integral part of producing fur - ie, tanners need it. That and also its rarity mean salt is worth a lot of money.. but i am equally stumped by how salt statues and salt smuggle could lead to more profit? To my knowledge salt has never been smuggled (Why, it was never illegal!). (And the salt quality does little to what tanning uses it for)

Can somebody explain this in detail?

with salt being so expensive, you could probaly assume that the bishop would have wanted a large cut on the profits that importing salt would have brought. After all, the writers went to the trouble of telling us of the bishops ambitious and greedy nature last episode.

Sep 20, 2009 8:06 AM

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A rebellion!

and whats with horo, changing her mind again

Sep 20, 2009 8:46 AM

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kintoki said:

eRe4s3r said:
Salt is an integral part of producing fur - ie, tanners need it. That and also its rarity mean salt is worth a lot of money.. but i am equally stumped by how salt statues and salt smuggle could lead to more profit? To my knowledge salt has never been smuggled (Why, it was never illegal!). (And the salt quality does little to what tanning uses it for)

Can somebody explain this in detail?

with salt being so expensive, you could probaly assume that the bishop would have wanted a large cut on the profits that importing salt would have brought. After all, the writers went to the trouble of telling us of the bishops ambitious and greedy nature last episode.

At this point it could be anything. To my knowledge, salt statues were carved out of rock salt. That could maybe imply a salt mine is nearby? I do know there was a medieval salt mine in Krakow, Poland (which incidentally was granted the episcopal bishopric). I doubt that has anything to do with anything, just thought it was a funny coincidence since the show seems to be based on a fictional country that speaks a Germanic language :)

My best guess is that the low-grade salt just implies that Abe has connections with a mariner, because she probably would be getting such salt from a saltwater beach (I think?). Which could simply imply that she has a quick means to escape the rebellion. As eRe4s3r pointed out salt of any quality was used to tan hides, so this affirms her "fur trading" occupation to a degree. How or why Abe would make statuettes of religious icons out of it, I have no idea.

Sep 20, 2009 3:49 PM

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I hope Holo isn't serious. Maybe she did it because he told her to wait a little more. She might want to make him realize that is not nice to wait for a later that may not come.

The rebellion in the end really was unexpected. It looks like we are gone a have a very strong last episode. And the statues are from salt. Am still not getting it completely.

We need Spice and Wolf III, NOW!!!

Sep 20, 2009 5:01 PM

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Monad said:
I hope Holo isn't serious. Maybe she did it because he told her to wait a little more. She might want to make him realize that is not nice to wait for a later that may not come.

It's even sadder given that Lawrence has already been resigned to the idea that they will part ways when they get to Yoitsu (more obvious in volume 4 of the novels, which the anime skipped so far). His only expectation seems to have been to stay by her side until they get to Yoitsu. But kudos to him for still being there for her, even though it's obvious how much her sudden decision pains him.

It's pretty clear now that something awful is going to happen to keep them together. My bet's on him confessing to her after doing something heroically stupid (or just plain stupid). I can't see her crying like she does in the teaser for anything less. Well, not long now before we find out (hopefully).

Sep 20, 2009 5:03 PM

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If horo dies I wont watch anime for some time I think :)

Sep 20, 2009 6:00 PM

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SquareZ said:
If horo dies I wont watch anime for some time I think :)

Where the fuck did that came from? Are you on drugs?

Sep 20, 2009 6:50 PM

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Well wow, I did not expect that. Came out of nowhere but they were foreshadowing the political and social turmoil in the town for a while so I should have expected that.

How much of this Abe could sense? The deal seems like a good deal on the surface but if she knew that something like this would have happened, it would have made the deal a lot less favorable. And we finally find out what the deal with the statues are. So does that mean Abe made a much bigger profit because salt is a lot cheaper than stone?

Although the drama starts, one good thing that might end up happening is that Lawrence has an excuse to continue with his journey since the deal fell through.

Sep 20, 2009 10:10 PM

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Monad said:

SquareZ said:
If horo dies I wont watch anime for some time I think :)

Where the fuck did that came from? Are you on drugs?

If that happened, it would ruin the whole culture of anime O.o So I'm asking the same thing to SquareZ, have you eaten some strange colorful mushrooms or something recently?

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Sep 20, 2009 10:11 PM

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SquareZ said:
If horo dies I wont watch anime for some time I think :)

HORO NEVA DIES.

Sep 21, 2009 4:40 AM

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Well that was certainly unexpected. I didn't expect a rebellion though I was expecting something to happen shows how much i know. I'm also curious about why Horo was crying that much I doubt it was something minor. Well only 2-3 days till we find out.

Sep 21, 2009 8:22 AM

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Horo stop thinking that way and put off the decision to leave Lawrence or not till you get to where you are going.

Otherwise I thought we were well on our way to where the show could not be only 12 episodes till the last minute.

Luckily they are in a random church so they should be able to get out of that town easy.

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Sep 21, 2009 2:28 PM

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*FTGT just watched the episode and is shocked beyond words*

What (the hell) just happened between Horo and Lawrence? 0_0

Just let me explain again how I understood Horos behaviour during the last episode 10:

With this in my mind I watched one of the most meaningful conversations in S&W so far.... and was confused by it.
This is what we all saw and read (together with what went through my mind watching it):

Please help me to understand this. Is Horo really serious about leaving Lawrence because of something cheesy as "It's always best to leave when things are at their best"?
Or is it just another trick and she is in fact trying to provoke Lawrence even more until he cant stand it any longer and says: "I love you, please stay by my side until I die"?

BashZeStampeedo said:

Heh.. I can imagine him talking to his friend Weiz later: "I was about to bone my girlfriend out at the inn but when I grabbed her tail she screamed and she said there was no way."

I Loled :D

Man, I dont want this show to be over. What an enormous loss for my weekly routine. ;(

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Sep 21, 2009 2:48 PM

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FTGT said:
*FTGT just watched the episode and is shocked beyond words*

What (the hell) just happened between Horo and Lawrence? 0_0

Just let me explain again how I understood Horos behaviour during the last episode 10:

With this in my mind I watched one of the most meaningful conversations in S&W so far.... and was confused by it.
This is what we all saw and read (together with what went through my mind watching it):

Please help me to understand this. Is Horo really serious about leaving Lawrence because of something cheesy as "It's always best to leave when things are at their best"?
Or is it just another trick and she is in fact trying to provoke Lawrence even more until he cant stand it any longer and says: "I love you, please stay by my side until I die"?

BashZeStampeedo said:

Heh.. I can imagine him talking to his friend Weiz later: "I was about to bone my girlfriend out at the inn but when I grabbed her tail she screamed and she said there was no way."

I Loled :D

To summarize what I mentioned elsewhere, I think it's just that both of them are missing each other's cues. If Horo wants sex to consummate their relationship, she should just grab him and sex him up (she must have noticed by now that he clearly wants it).

I think what he wants is for her to decide whether she wants to have a long-term relationship. And he's avoiding getting closer to her because it would hurt him (them) a lot more if they got that close and broke up at Yoitsu.

Besides, he's a twit. And a busy one, he can't possibly catch all of her double-meanings when he's worried that she might be sold off. If she could be less proud and more obvious, it would go a long way. I think he's going to have to take the plunge and say the magic words. There been a bit of possible foreshadowing indicating that he's about to (conversation with the nun convincing him to pursue Horo as his actual dream, her tears in the trailer, his daydream at the start of the arc where he hugs her, etc).

Sep 21, 2009 7:06 PM

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BashZeStampeedo said:

Heh.. I can imagine him talking to his friend Weiz later: "I was about to bone my girlfriend out at the inn but when I grabbed her tail she screamed and she said there was no way."

HAHA FUCKING LOL'D

Anyway, that rebellion twist really scared the crap outta me. The music, things were too intense! I hope things work out between Horo and Lawrence, and all this new crazy business, wah.

Sep 22, 2009 4:17 AM

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I enjoyed the first season a lot more because of it was much more intricate in plot and situations that Horo and Lawrence were apart of. However, I've still really enjoyed this season as well, and will be saddened to see it end. It seems as if it just started, and now saying goodbye again.

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Sep 22, 2009 6:51 AM

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So much better than the last 4 episodes. It went downhill FAAST after the sixth episode probably because I was expecting something as awesome as the previous "arc".

Anyway, I'd hate to see it end here. Just one more season and we're 'kay eh?

Sep 24, 2009 6:53 PM

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Awww ... so Horo wants to part ways ><?

Plus a rebellion O_O? And why was Lawrence so surprised after tasting that material off the holy mother's statue O_O? hmmm ...

Oct 2, 2009 11:03 PM

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Kinda boring ep though the last scene was interesting. A rebellion eh? Didn't see that coming.

Oct 8, 2009 6:21 PM

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The beginning of the episode started so much differently than the ending with two major issues at once! No idea what will happen the next episode but looks like it'll be a dramatic one.

Oct 17, 2009 2:43 PM

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Lol rebellion. Lawrence of the Rebellion, hell yes.

Lawrence touching Horo's tail out of a sudden was just funny. Loved how Horo reacted after that.

I wonder what'll happen in the ending. Why did Horo say that she'll end their journey here? Doesn't she want to travel with him until they reach Yoitsu?

Looking forward to the finale.

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Oct 20, 2009 7:25 AM

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Crimsonwill said:
Awww ... so Horo wants to part ways ><?

Plus a rebellion O_O? And why was Lawrence so surprised after tasting that material off the holy mother's statue O_O? hmmm ...

It's a salt, i kept on wondering where did Abel hide those salt, so she craft the salt into the statue, make sense..

Horo wanted to make a decision will Lawrence follow her and take a new step of relationship or just stay as stalmate..

Oct 20, 2009 11:02 AM

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Sad how they kinda decided to end it. Coups don't help profits most of the time.

Hear the word

Nov 10, 2009 5:30 PM

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Ugh, this was as painful as ep 2-6. Rather than a kid, this time it seems a nun will save their relationship. Horo has been disappointing all season, but this just takes the cake. Too scared to be honest with the guy you fell in love with? Just go into denial, come up with a some lame and self-serving excuses, and run!

And what excellent timing, too. Not only does he have a risky plan to deal with, complete with the possibility of being double-crossed, he now has to figure out whether (and how) to save his relationship with Horo. And to top it off, the ever-present threat of a rebellion finally comes to fruition.

Feb 14, 2010 11:45 AM

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Huh... One more test from Horo? I hope Lawrence get sharper and don't let off her.

Also this heartbraking tears in trailer ((

BashZeStampeedo said:
To summarize what I mentioned elsewhere, I think it's just that both of them are missing each other's cues. If Horo wants sex to consummate their relationship, she should just grab him and sex him up (she must have noticed by now that he clearly wants it).

Lol)) It seems to me that she wants that Lawrence do it instead of her ^_^

BashZeStampeedo said:
I think what he wants is for her to decide whether she wants to have a long-term relationship. And he's avoiding getting closer to her because it would hurt him (them) a lot more if they got that close and broke up at Yoitsu.

Thats right. I think the same.

@BashZeStampeedo
Btw, I really like to read your posts.

Feb 15, 2010 11:14 AM

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Kenaya said:
Btw, I really like to read your posts.

Well thanks, that's rather unexpected :)

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Lol)) It seems to me that she wants that Lawrence do it instead of her ^_^

That would be a shame, because she hands out so many mixed signals I'm not surprised to see him act so confused. Almost every time he tries to pull a move she makes him feel inadequate, or she lets him believe it's still a game to her. But it's obvious that he's gonna snap sooner or later after the last few episodes :)

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Apr 19, 2010 2:44 PM

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AWSOME 5/5, one more to go

Jun 19, 2010 10:16 AM

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It was depressing when Horo brought up the subject of ending their journey together.

Did you know every time you sigh, a little bit of happiness escapes?

Jun 26, 2010 6:45 AM

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I gotta agree the "selling Horo" idea was kinda weird but Lawrence being so calm was weirder :\ .

A rebellion ! <3 gotta love the chaos !

Aug 22, 2010 8:14 AM

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I don't know why but I keep reading fleurs (whatever you want to call her the trader woman) subs so she has a lisp and can't say her r's. I just don't know why.

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Oct 9, 2010 6:44 AM

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Yes! A twist. :D This episode was much better than the last, IMO. Everything was going a little too smoothly, as Horo and Lawrence were saying at one point in the episode... It's not really exciting unless they're dealing with additional problems, I guess. XD Things and problems like this help them grow more~ Or at least, reveal more about them, which is great.

What Horo said, though... D: So sad to think about it. The little Lawrence x Horo moments are still adorable, though. Like the tail scene. :) Hopefully this can all be wrapped up nicely in just one more episode... (I have high hopes~)

Jan 6, 2011 11:05 AM

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wow, didnt expect a rebellion, but it makes sense since a lot of ppl didnt like the decision that was made for the fur trade.
so does this mean that the deal is off than??

Jan 21, 2011 11:13 AM

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Horo didn't find a happy ending in those books. But Deanna said there were many happy endings, let's hope they just haven't discovered them yet.

Lawrence (or rather the writers) really get frustrating to watch sometimes. Time to throw caution to the wind and make a move.

Feb 23, 2011 11:05 AM

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A rebellion? omg. 1 moar episode to go Q_Q

Mar 9, 2011 12:13 AM

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Wow, so many twists in this ep. Even Holo being the one wanting to depart, when she was allways afraid of being alone..

Only one more to go.. This is getting more painfull than the first six episodes. T±T

May 12, 2011 7:08 AM

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A rebellion? omg. 1 moar episode to go Q_Q

+1

Aug 8, 2011 5:29 AM

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Could say this was the best episode so far.

I definitely have superpowers. I can feel it in my balls.

Nov 2, 2011 8:56 AM

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It was an average, okay episode, until the end which did feel kinda scary. And nice cliffhanger btw.

Jan 21, 2012 12:21 AM

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Holo said some really sad words, but she's kind of right imo. I just wonder how will her decision go now, after this plot twist. And I came to like Abe even more. Maybe more than Lawrence himself.

Mar 1, 2012 1:44 AM

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Are you srs? Only one more episode!? Goddammit. L> a season 3! ;-;

Apr 19, 2012 4:48 PM

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Wow!
So in the next episode Holo will leave and Lawrence ll live with the blond girl.
It ll be nice :p

May 8, 2012 7:37 PM

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OriginANIME said:
Are you srs? Only one more episode!? Goddammit. L> a season 3! ;-;

Well, at least I have the LNs to look forward to afterward....

Jun 21, 2012 3:16 PM

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Wow, a riot? Didn't see that one coming.

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