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Sep 15, 2009 2:47 AM

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Well that was kinda of boring yet also kind of interesting. From watching it I get the feeling that Abe has something planned and its not necessarily to buy the fur.At least that would be my guess since I had a weird feeling throughout the whole episode.
Sep 20, 2009 8:05 AM

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Certainly I thought Abe knew about Horo's real identity and by knowing that, blackmailing Lawrence about giving her money. I was wrong, although I'm still wondering why she's lying, her hands were shaking and that just shows me off that shes not even sure about this deal.
Sep 23, 2009 3:17 AM

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this is only a thought, but I have a feeling that merchant is working for the church and this is only a smart ploy for the church to snatch Horo. Only a theory though.
Sep 24, 2009 3:03 PM

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ForbiddenSins said:
Has anyone noticed the art style change? Or is it just my imagination? Just seems like the art in this episode was a bit off than usual and in the bad way too. Hope it doesn't stay this way since Lawrence and Horo look awful in this episode.


agreed,the art sucked in this episode >.<
i found Horo's face really weird in some parts o.o
i hope its just this one
Oct 1, 2009 9:51 PM

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Ok ep. Abe definitely has something up her sleeve. Last few eps should be fantastic.


Oct 17, 2009 2:12 PM

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Why would they sell Horo? Damn, what will happen in the end?
Why are they solo calm about this? Don't they understand the consequences? If they lose, Horo would be gone forever!

This boyish merchant sure has some tricks up in her sleeves. Hope Horo would go wolf form and beat the crap out of them. XD
Oct 20, 2009 6:55 AM

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A very large risk..selling Horo to get a lot of loan..
Oct 20, 2009 10:32 AM

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Oh, the joys of politics, that episode was satisfying because of every one of Lawrence's conversations.
Nov 10, 2009 4:07 PM
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The undertones here are pretty dire. Horo just pulled a complete about-face on everything she's said in the last few eps, and pushed Lawrence into a situation he doesn't want to be in. Everything she says implies that she's ready to ditch him after one last score, and the poor idiot can't read between the lines.

Watching Lawrence get more and more anxious as he investigates things saved this ep for me. It's clear that he doesn't really want to do this. She really has his reigns - he's being completely honest there.
Feb 2, 2010 2:30 AM

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"I will take care of you when you breathe your last"

So, she doesn't plan on abandoning him <3

Their eyes looked weird at times in this episode... wonder why.
Feb 14, 2010 4:21 PM
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Horo's obviously confused (and aroused, to quote Zapp Brannigan). She doesn't really want to abandon him, yet she sorta does. At least that's the only interpretation I can make from her crazy behaviour.
Jun 19, 2010 10:13 AM

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This arc is boring so far. No action, no clever dealings. Nothing.
Sep 2, 2010 10:30 AM

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It was very anxious episode. I'm afraid that something cruel will happen.
And... Horo X Lawrence was pretty cold.
Oct 8, 2010 7:30 PM

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Nitre said:
I can't say that i didn't like the episode, but it wasn't as good as some of the previous ones.

Exactly what I think.

CDRW said:
I just hope that Lawrence gets back some of his skills. It seems like the more he sticks around Horo, the more mistakes he makes in his business.

... I was also thinking this.

Haha, I guess I have little to contribute that is new. XD Actually, though, I didn't think the animation was that bad in this episode, as some others seemed to think... but it did seem a little... different. Anywho, wondering where things'll go from here. Somehow, I'm not too excited about it either (while previous episodes had me practically itching to watch the next episode right away). Guess I'll watch and see where this goes anyway...
Dec 8, 2010 11:09 AM

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werr-y said:
"I will take care of you when you breathe your last"

So, she doesn't plan on abandoning him <3


That line made my day :3
Jan 6, 2011 10:29 AM

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its kinda suspicious that the owner of the inn wants to give the whole inn o him, which means their probably planning a huge scheme that involves betraying som ppl and than ditching the place. or somthing to that effect.


Jan 21, 2011 6:44 AM
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Well this doesn't look good. But as expected, lawrence goes along with the plan (even at holo's blessing). Maybe she does want Lawrence to have his shop and making sure he has his dreams and wealth before they one day part.

I'm surprised he's still willing to risk this deal (even though Holo can get out of it at any moment if she wants) considering the emotional wreck he turned into in the last arc.

She always seemed worried about Lawrence obtaining his shop (because it didn't include her). Weird that now she would be pushing for it. (unless as stated, she's "trying" to prepare what she thinks is the inevitable separation - which we all know she is full of shit - she needs Lawrence as he needs her)

Love her jealousies of L. After L told her about barmaid (or was it Eve), she said she should go down there and mark her territory. Then she hands Lawrence a clothe filled with her hair so he has her scent all over him, that was cute.

i think it's safe to say we are going to see holo being taken away from L and he'll have to do something (desperate/creative) to get her back.
May 12, 2011 6:46 AM

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I'm surprised to see Holo agree to all of these. Wondering what will happen next~

Nov 2, 2011 8:55 AM

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It's picking up again, but I seriously doubt they'll end this season with Lawrence and Horo separated.
Dec 14, 2011 6:50 AM
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How are people this deep into the series and expect something completely different? After watching the first few episodes of season one you should know what you're getting into. Expecting anything different is your own fault.
Jan 19, 2012 2:29 AM

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The animation in this episode was ok with me, I don't know why you are so much against it. And the episode itself is one of my most favorite ones - all the intrigues, all the risks involved in the traveling merchan't job... That's probably the best reason I like this anime for. Abe proves, that she's as mysterious person as she was in the first moment Lawrence met with her, with every next episode. I'll probably feel bad when this arc is over - Abe is just making this show great in most of the means I'm watching this anime for.
Aug 27, 2012 7:21 AM

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I guess its the no risk no reward thing, but still. Risking Holo! I know that even they lose, Lawrence will find a way to keep Holo, but still! D=.

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Sep 28, 2012 10:04 AM

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Interesting start of the development to the end I do wonder how it will develop and well only with 2 episodes left I doubt we'll ever see her in her wanted location, that makes me wonder if there would ever be a 3 season, but well let's see what we'll get in these 2 last episodes!
May 5, 2013 9:23 PM

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This sounds like a horrible plan bound to go wrong.
I don't like their round a bout non direct way of confessing their feelings to eachother.
May 17, 2013 3:07 PM

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That's incredible trust Holo has to be gambling her life like that for Lawrence. I guess she feels indebted to him since she feels she's been selfish and she wants to do this for him. I kinda wish Lawrence would show more love toward Holo. I mean the nice words are well, nice but it's the second season already. Can we get a little more physical touching?!
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May 20, 2013 2:56 AM

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This deal looks fishy to me. Only two more episodes to go. I hope the ending wont leave me half empty like some other anime did.
Jul 21, 2013 7:50 PM
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Assuming the deal plan is because I'm not exactly sure what is was,

"Sell" Holo for a large amount of money -> use money to buy fur -> sell fur at another town for large profit

I can't believe that Lawrence accepted the deal. It's incredibly risky because 1. his partner is some random merchant he just met, 2. he's selling his lover (Well, it's more like Lawrence is asking for a loan, and the loaner is asking for Holo as an insurance policy of sorts in case the loaner is cheated by Lawrence.), and 3. the Shiek girl is not taking any risk at all. I don't even think that the Shiek girl is even needed in this deal. Sure, she came up with the plan, but who cares, Lawrence can just do the deal on his own and not split the profits.

There are problems with this deal. It's very easy for Lawrence to be cheated by the Shiek girl because she's not investing any money into this business plan, so she not required to stick to the deal plan. Lawrence is investing a large amount of money after "selling" Holo, so he's forces to continue with the plan until he gets his profits. The Shiek girl can just steal the gold that Lawrence got for selling Holo at any moment, and Lawrence doesn't have anything to keep the Shiek girl from doing that such as blackmailing. It's going to be a large amount of gold, so killing 1 man is going to be worth it because it'll be easy to get away from killing a peasant in Medieval times, especially if you have a lot of money.

This feels like the armor arc from season 1 that almost caused Lawrence to go into bankruptcy again. Lawrence really has no insurance policy to keep his partner in check, so they can literally dispose of him at any time and take the profits all for themselves, which was what happened during the gold smuggling deal.

Lawrence should learn to not work with random, shady partners on "high risk, high rewards" plans unless he has some sort of insurance policy.
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Jul 21, 2013 8:47 PM
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night97 said:
Lawrence should learn to not work with random, shady partners on "high risk, high rewards" plans unless he has some sort of insurance policy.


Did you miss the entire plot point that he WASN'T going to do it until Holo pushed him into it? Holo basically emasculated him into doing something stupid that he didn't want to do on his own. He accepted it only because Holo wouldn't have it any other way.
Sep 22, 2013 1:04 AM

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Horo is dumb, Lawrence hesitated & Horo convinced him to go for it GEEZ
Nov 15, 2013 5:07 PM

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I don't like the look of this one bit.

Jan 15, 2014 3:25 PM

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They play a risky game, it's win all, or lose all. And by losing, he would lose his loving one.

I wonder how it will go. I'm not sure if they can truly trust Ève. There's still that salt thing that annoy me. Why would she hide that she trade salt?
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Jun 13, 2014 10:36 PM

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I don't know why but this season is just too stressful for me. The constant friction of the possibility that Lawrence might lose Horo is driving me crazy. I really like this show but wish it was slice of life without such serious relationship hindering plots.
Jun 14, 2014 11:11 PM

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So what's up with Eve/Fleur having salt?
Nov 29, 2014 11:11 AM

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So the deal was indeed to literally sell Holo, or rather, to use her as collateral for a loan.

The deal sounds good in theory, but at this point I would be more shocked if things went smoothly than if Fleur betrayed him or something. The salt trading in particular seems fishy. I do like that for once there are no connections around town to bail Lawrence out, though.

I think Holo's efforts are misguided. She wants Lawrence to trust her, yet her roundabout way of doing things just confuses him or raises caution. What's wrong with him not wanting to risk her? It's not even just that he would expect her to be angry (which would be reasonable), but that he actually does care about her and doesn't want to chance losing her.

So, again, they just need to be plain with each other. I know Holo trusts Lawrence, but there's no need to be reckless to get that trust reciprocated. She's becoming more and more desperate because of her pride.
Dec 5, 2014 1:11 AM

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Such a very risky plan.. Nothing else left to say that hasn't been said in this thread except, good luck..
(Although it reeks of failure or worse; betrayal)
Mar 16, 2015 4:06 PM

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appido said:
I don't know why but this season is just too stressful for me. The constant friction of the possibility that Lawrence might lose Horo is driving me crazy. I really like this show but wish it was slice of life without such serious relationship hindering plots.

The majority of this season has been just one big headache.
May 4, 2015 11:43 AM
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Dangerous plan, hopefully Lawrence doesn't fuck it up. Eve is fishy as hell. ( the way she dressed also smells trouble )
May 8, 2015 3:59 PM

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Hmmm, yeah I don't trust this blond chick, she definitely seems like shes gonna try and double cross them. Hopefully Lawrence's planning ahead will be sufficient enough to thwart w/e it is she might be scheming :/.

Though even if it turns out shes being sincere I still don't like that hes gambling with Holo's freedom, just seems way too risky to me >_>.
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Shape430 said:
Hmmm, yeah I don't trust this blond chick, she definitely seems like shes gonna try and double cross them. Hopefully Lawrence's planning ahead will be sufficient enough to thwart w/e it is she might be scheming :/.

Though even if it turns out shes being sincere I still don't like that hes gambling with Holo's freedom, just seems way too risky to me >_>.


the whole slavery thing too me was upsetting :'(
Jul 25, 2015 3:13 AM

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The male beggar was the best part of the episode for me. He's happy with the little he has and wouldn't risk what's most important to him for cash, like Lawrence is doing right now.
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Dec 19, 2015 11:49 AM

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Oh my gosh why the fuck would you agree to this....it's basically slavery and I have it engraved in the back of my head that all anime porn involves rape.

Like you serious dawg? Is it just that Japanese people LOVE rape?
Just need to find out how to quote this every time so I can dodge the stupid 30-character limit.
Dec 31, 2015 6:38 PM

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Seeing how Lawrence basically botched all deals, this one will hardly be an exception, unless they want to skip fixing the mistake, which usually takes another episode or two, which they do not really have if they want to show anything else.

I also don't quite get why Lawrence is doing this. Yes, Horo basically pushed him to it, but why did he even consider it? It's more dangerous than most if not all of his previous deals right off the bat, he knows less about the involved actors than usually (like, whats up with that salt trading Fleur is doing? She didn't mention that at all), and he does not need money right now. In fact, he should be pretty rich with his winnings from Kumersun.

With the roads to the north being open right now because there isn't much snow and the tales from the books, there isn't anything to keep him from venturing further north.

Instead, he gets in another shady deal that can cost both their freedom and/or live. Even assuming they *can* gain thrice the amount they paid, that would be about 4500 silver coins assuming they indeed get 1500 for Horo. Given that he has to share with Fleur and maybe the innkeeper, thats not that much anymore. Heck, they have to pay back the loan, too, given that Horo is just used as collateral and not actually sold, and maybe interest on top of that..

Overall, in his current situation, the potential earning should be far outweighted by the risks (including the risk of it snowing again and being unable to travel, not just risks from the trade itself). Somehow, Lawrence and to some extent, Horo (she is probably not keeping track of all that in such detail, she was more like "do what you want"), think otherwise.
Jan 1, 2016 11:29 AM
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I also don't quite get why Lawrence is doing this. Yes, Horo basically pushed him to it, but why did he even consider it?


She fast-talked and guilt-tripped him into it, because he was getting a store out of it (the old man's inn/warehouse, since he was leaving) PLUS money, and she "wanted what's best for him as a partner". He was agonizing over it like any smart person would because it didn't add up, but once Holo reassured him that things would be fine, he decided to openly trust her intellect and be the risky "alpha male" she always wants him to be (and, as you've noticed, isn't what he's cut out to be). It makes more sense in hindsight, but you're right to suspect these things.
Jan 5, 2016 1:42 PM
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Horo and Lawrence are a confusing couple...
Aug 3, 2016 3:34 AM

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Let's hope this plan works out. Nothing ever seems to go right for poor Lawrence.

Fleur still seems as shady as ever, even more so in this episode. Looks like she's hiding something from Lawrence and as others have said, it seems as if she did something which annoyed the church.
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Feb 16, 2019 5:04 PM

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Marking her territory wasn't enough haha.

But interesting, I didn't expect Holo to push the idea just to prove something...

And besides, the whole deal seems fishy af. Wonder how it will play out.

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Mar 9, 2019 12:56 AM

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Boring. I don't understand what's going on. Waiting for this anime to be over.
Jul 6, 2019 9:31 AM

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BashZeStampeedo said:
NwAurion said:

I also don't quite get why Lawrence is doing this. Yes, Horo basically pushed him to it, but why did he even consider it?


She fast-talked and guilt-tripped him into it, because he was getting a store out of it (the old man's inn/warehouse, since he was leaving) PLUS money, and she "wanted what's best for him as a partner". He was agonizing over it like any smart person would because it didn't add up, but once Holo reassured him that things would be fine, he decided to openly trust her intellect and be the risky "alpha male" she always wants him to be (and, as you've noticed, isn't what he's cut out to be). It makes more sense in hindsight, but you're right to suspect these things.


no matter what thats one line i wouln't cross, she can ba as mad as she wants but i would refuse
Aug 22, 2019 10:32 AM

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Selling Holo that sure is selfish.
Oct 7, 2019 10:45 AM

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Holo's tail alone should fetch for more than that, it's high quality fur after all!
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