Witch Craft Works Episode 12 Discussion

Vooo said:
What a crappy ending! Should have kissed her on the lips! Wuss....

Qpax said:
I know I am really bad anime audiance and I am tick-head even to understand simple plot but if there are really kind and humble animelist outta there then would they kindly explain me two things I didn't get about in this about?

omega_d94 said:
Eh decent ending though it felt rushed all of a sudden. Come on, kiss already...

6.5/10. The directing and execution felt like it went to quick, like fast scene changes and characters talking to fast.

Also i kind of lost sympathy towards Kagari after episode 7. Her over protectiveness towards Honoka, kind of got me annoying, and also she won't even let Honoka trained to be equal with her. It is probably the reason why I don't like Honoka since the beginning of the season, when he is always watching Kagari doing all the work and standing behind her. I mean yes she is beautiful and OP but please let Honoka help you out instead of standing behind her.

There are a lot of characters in here which is pretty forgettable when they have no development.

Well at least there is some progression on Takamiya and Kagari for their powers, but a little romance won't hurt.

dmrch said:

As a precaution, I add a spoiler tag.

Qpax said:

Thanks for the answer and taking your time to write response back but I still don't understand Chronoire's purpose they were trying to imply or what was her reason to attack as Weekendo-sama mentioned -w-''

krownklown said:


I don't know what her overall plan is, but Chronoire wanted to kill Weekend for using her. Its not complicated. Weekend got Chrono to make the pill and give it to Honoka to move along her plan. Chrono has a lot pride, she is a top witch, so she got pissed that someone like Weekend would use her, and would have killed her in retaliation if Kazane hadn't stepped in.

Teckmeister said:
Okay, after watching this episode, I have a question. A big question.

I think those of you who have seen both manga and anime would understand the plot better. At this point, it is kinda confusing to me.

So basically, Honoka asked the White Princess for power to save the city. And in return, he would have to give up his life. But at the last moment, Kagari sacrificed herself so he didn't die. Then the other characters said using another person's life (i.e. Kagari's) to fulfill contract with White Princess shouldn't have been possible.

Then towards the end, we saw a scene between White Princess and Young Kagari. They made a promise that if Honoka ever asked White Princess for power and it looked like he might die, the contract between Honoka and Kagari would be annulled. It seemed like that would return lost power to Honoka if I read the English subtitles correctly.

Now, to make sure I understood the plot, I would like to ask the the following questions:

1) So Honoka did not die even though he made a pact with the Princess was because Kagari's previous pact with the White Princess kicked in and returned power to Honoka?

2) And Kagari's previous pact with the White Princess meant that the power Honoka used to save the city belonged to him in the first place, so that's the loop hole that allowed Honoka to live, right? His pact with the Princess was for her (Princess) to grant him power in exchange for his life, BUT since he used his own power in the end, that rendered his pact with the White Princess ineffective?

Teckmeister said:
-snip-

dmrch said:
I have a different thought because Chronoire noticed that Weekend used her from the first. Maybe the reason is that she got hungry or she tried to prevent Weekend achieving the purpose or Weekend achieved her role for Chronoire. Yeah, Medusa, Chronoire and Weekend have no responsibility to each other. Their purposes were different among the three, why they want Honoka's power and how they get it. But those are unopened yet. And according to the author, Weekend's purpose will not be revealed forever.

krownklown said:
Nah I still think Chorno was ticked off, but since she felt she could beat weekend whenever, its more satisfying to defeat/kill her at the end, kind of giving hope and then taking it away.

ichii_1 said:
Chronoire was tricked and was mad so she was gonna kill weekend but kazane interrupted and medusa is unpredictable so using her in a plan is stupid.

Kyuutoryuu said:
Have Kagari's boobs always been that big? Especially prominent when seen with her lying down...

ao_no_exo said:
The end... so will this continue or is it a stop here?

ZodiacBeast said:


The source manga is only 5 chapters beyond where they stopped in the anime (it ended at chapter 27, with a little modification in the very last scene). Tanpopo wasn't supposed to get back with the other members of Medusa's crew, but they could easily shoehorn in some line about that if they make more anime later and viola, problem solved.

There is an OVA that comes out on July 7th, but we don't know what it'll be yet. It could be some sort of fanservice thing or it could adapt the next three chapters (28, 29 and 30) before what seems like the next major arc starts in chapter 31.

If they can manage to adapt 28-30 well enough in the OVA without compressing them I'd rather them do that. I feel that when/if they do a season 2 in a few years it would be better to start with a strong arc instead of another episode or two of chapters that aren't that important to plot. Chapter 28 has some important points but 29 and 30 don't, so...ugh, I can't decide.

Whatever they do I'm sure it'll be good enough that I'll be satisfied with it.

ao_no_exo said:
Wow thank you, I was not expecting such a nice reply.
I see so basically an OVA would be nice to fit last 3 chapters. But it might also be just something about them. I would rather see the OVA about the 3 chapters.

As of a new season.. well I do hope there will be one as I quite enjoyed Takamiya's white stuff that the witch girls were trying to extract xD the show and wouldn't mind seeing more.

ZodiacBeast said:


I'd swear that somebody said something like that, but it could have been somebody speculating and saying "hey, this part indicates blah blah blah". I'm reading through again just to see if anything like this was said but now I doubt it. There's nothing through chapter 18 and fighting Weekend would be too busy to talk about something like that.

krownklown said:
Yes the author confirmed that witches once they reach a certain level of power ascend into Godhood and leave the mortal realm. However, some witches despite having the ability to move on decided to stay, and took on the title "end". Ie Weekend.

However, over time it seems like witches became weaker and so end starting to just refer to witch who got a lot hype, kind of like the title 7 warlords in one piece, specifically buggy. But in theory the possibilities still does exist.

LayedBack said:
Wow umm... Talk about a great way to end the show, have the MC be too much of a little bitch to kiss his woman on the lips even when he's under the impression that a kiss is the only thing that would save her life. The anime industry and perhaps even Japanese society itself needs to get over being so awkward and shy about intimacy. Its not cute and it certainly isn't the way to end a season. And it was just so much worst within the context of that situation.

But that was the only thing I disliked about this anime. It was a good mindless type of fun and I was even gonna give it 8/10 for entertainment value alone but I might knock it down one because of the wimped out ending.

krownklown said:
Sigh I already explained this once on another thread, but will do so one more time here.
WCW is a deconstruction/inversion. Essentially Kagari is actually the male character/role while Honoka takes on the female role. Its not hard to pick up, Kagari is stoic, over protective, physically large, the one does the fighting etc. Honoka is emotional, shy and lacking self confidence, and basically a damsel in distress. Basically this is a shoujo romance overlapped on an action setting, with the gender roles reversed.

So Honoka as a shy "female" character can't kiss "her" love interest because "she" is too pure and shy. Its not poor character development, its actually really good character writing.

LayedBack said:
Yeah well I didn't appreciate the joke if that was what it was. And I even got the whole inverse thing, that much was obvious. Its just a matter of principle, kiss the girl or "guy" when put in that situation. Anime pulls this type of crap all of the time and it just comes off as annoying. And I don't really see WCW as much of a parody so the joke really seems misplaced. I'm sure their are plenty of casanovas in Japan, but conversely its also got one of the lowest birth rates in the world to the point where there economy is in a lot of danger in the future if things keep up this way. Multiple factors are contributing to that, but their ability to have romance and healthy relationships is one of them. Part of that is probably because they used to be an arranged marriage culture.

To reiterate, I don't see why it would be any more amusing if a female were put in that situation and acted that way. It would still be irritating. Also I don't see why the show having 'frienemys' would make a difference in our discussion. Their were still a few villains who would kill without remorse.

LayedBack said:
Yeah well I didn't appreciate the joke if that was what it was. And I even got the whole inverse thing, that much was obvious. Its just a matter of principle, kiss the girl or "guy" when put in that situation. Anime pulls this type of crap all of the time and it just comes off as annoying. And I don't really see WCW as much of a parody so the joke really seems misplaced. I'm sure their are plenty of casanovas in Japan, but conversely its also got one of the lowest birth rates in the world to the point where there economy is in a lot of danger in the future if things keep up this way. Multiple factors are contributing to that, but their ability to have romance and healthy relationships is one of them. Part of that is probably because they used to be an arranged marriage culture.

To reiterate, I don't see why it would be any more amusing if a female were put in that situation and acted that way. It would still be irritating. Also I don't see why the show having 'frienemys' would make a difference in our discussion. Their were still a few villains who would kill without remorse.

dmrch said:
That is the comedy part that Honoka couldn't kiss her lips even though he had the courage to sacrifice himself to save the entire city.

Old_Raven said:
I just now realized. Honoka has the determination and ability to make a decision that few, if any, characters can make: sacrifice 1 or 2 to save thousands. Whats more, he was regrettably willing to even sacrifice one he undoubtedly has feelings for. I already respected Honoka before that realization but he just friggin skyrocketed up my favorite characters list. Also, the music playing during his believed sacrifice is friggin god-tier and I NEED IT! Dammit why do we have to wait til 21 May for the OST!?!?

krownklown said:

WCW is a deconstruction/inversion. Essentially Kagari is actually the male character/role while Honoka takes on the female role. Its not hard to pick up, Kagari is stoic, over protective, physically large, the one does the fighting etc. Honoka is emotional, shy and lacking self confidence, and basically a damsel in distress.