DawnJ said: The Shaft style animation in Nisekoi is pretty much watered down. And yet fanboys are praising for Shaft being Shaft. How sweet of irony it is... Anyway, there's another reason other than animation style. Shaft has never been good at drama(while JC is pro at it). T3h v1su4l(which isn't even decent in this case) cannot be the salvation at all. I'm sick of Shaft fanboys who've only watched Monogatari series and MaMaMa. I actually think the reception of the SHAFT style is polarized. I read people saying it didn't fit and looked awkward as much as I read people saying they liked it and are watching it because of SHAFT. |
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| In my opinion, it's a little more restrained, the tone is a bit different but the dash of colour added seemed to be a good thing for the first episode at least. The story comes off rather flat for me but when I consider whether I want SHAFT animation or not, in most cases I'd prefer a more ordinary approach for this genre. Since the underlying concept of this anime doesn't seem to be tremendously good in the first place though, I almost feel like this is a pet project for them. I think given a few more episodes, the approach to the series will be pretty evident, whether it's enhancing the storytelling or making a load of crap look nice and fancy we'll see. |
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| i think i see whats happening here. half the people are watching because they like the manga, and half the people are here because they like SHAFT... but these are turning out to be two fairly separate groups. and in general: (empahsis on "in general") fans of the manga tend to be the sort that find SHAFT's style to be pretentious or superfluous, and are thus disappointed with the production fans of SHAFT tend to be the sort that find the original Nisekoi manga to be generic, shallow, and unoriginal, and are thus disappointed with the plot. |
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| I hate most SHAFTed shows, but I actually enjoy the artistic style of this one more than I did something like Monogatari or Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei. |
thedryness said: i think i see whats happening here. half the people are watching because they like the manga, and half the people are here because they like SHAFT... but these are turning out to be two fairly separate groups. and in general: (empahsis on "in general") fans of the manga tend to be the sort that find SHAFT's style to be pretentious or superfluous, and are thus disappointed with the production fans of SHAFT tend to be the sort that find the original Nisekoi manga to be generic, shallow, and unoriginal, and are thus disappointed with the plot. What about me, sir? I like both Nisekoi manga and SHAFT style |
| The so called "normal animation" takes up the overwhelming majority of shows in every given season (with the occasional exceptions of course) so I'm really glad to have the distinct SHAFT and Shinbou Akiyuki style. The visual media can be used in so, so many ways yet most shows stick to the basic formula. I'd love to see more experimentation within anime, sure some would be bad but I'm sure we would only win in the long run. |
| Shinbou style doesn't have anything experimental(yet it had though). It has existed more than 10 years and is pretty much settled, so it's no longer new or fresh unless you're pretty new to animes. He uses the same elements over and over, saves budget, and hits(Bakemonogatari) or misses(most of his other works). |
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Hisoutensoku said: What about me, sir? I like both Nisekoi manga and SHAFT style thedryness said: emphasis on "in general" |
| I like the manga and I watch the anime only because it's Shaft. |
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| GUY WHAT DOES SHAFT MEAN?!! >.< |
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ScazoN said: GUY WHAT DOES SHAFT MEAN?!! >.< Shaft is the animation studio that's doing this anime. |
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| Shaft is art |
| Manga is better >.> |
scytheavatar said: A "normal" Nisekoi anime would have been terrible because without the Shaft craziness the series is completely mediocre. Just conjecture added with personal bias. Still doesn't explain anything why Shaft animation works besides just being an excuse to watch Nisekoi. Keep in mind that I never said I dislike Shaft's style, but I'm questioning the people who says that "this works better" than your average animation. I am personally on the "why is Shaft doing this, this doesn't suit them, and that has made them to watered down their animation" side |
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| Anything is fit for Shaft animation, you just aren't used to see it too often. Quit the bashing guys, the animation is perfect and makes it more enjoyable to watch. The manga is great too, you don't need it to be absolutely original to stand out. As long as you enjoy reading it, it's fine. |
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| To be honest, I prefer the normal animation for Nisekoi but it's not like the Shaft-style animation was bad. In fact, it was awesome. I just think the normal animation suits the series better but either way is fine and I believe Shaft will deliver. I read the manga and I like Shaft. Just need to get use to it. |
| well the problem here is, despite it's popularity, Nisekoi is no more than your average romcom if Nisekoi animated with studio other Shaft (which is in my personal view, is totally different in terms of style with the other notable studio like KyoAni/JC Staff/A1) it'll be utterly bland i mean, look, there's too much romcom out there. without any X factor (in this case, animation), nisekoi has no chance against currently airing romcom like chuuninbyou, witch craft work, or golden time IMO unlike KyoAani/A1, whose occasionally sacrifice story aspect only to moe-ing the character, Shaft is good at balancing the charm of the character (look at Nisekoi's Onodera) and the depth of story , monogatari for example JC Staff, on the other hand, is good at story aspect, but most of them comes with bland, cheap animation for me, Shaft is an ideal studio for Nisekoi, which has crazy comedies and crazy conversations, something that Shaft is excellent at |
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reyhangustira said: i mean, look, there's too much romcom out there. without any X factor (in this case, animation), nisekoi has no chance against currently airing romcom like chuuninbyou, witch craft work, or golden time IMO No chance against witch craft work nor golden time? What? And you seriously think KyoAni is in the same level as A-1? Wow. |
| what are you talking about?! shaft to be normal art? meh... just dream about it.. shaft always different with all.. they has their own special :3 dont tell me you really dont like it :/ even the school almost look a like with school from adaptation from monogatari series XD |
sherlock5545 said: Quit the bashing guys, the animation is perfect and makes it more enjoyable to watch.. What makes it perfect? what makes it "work" much more than normal animation? Try answering that without sounding like Nisekoi needs a crutch named SHAFT. reyhangustira said: if Nisekoi animated with studio other Shaft (which is in my personal view, is totally different in terms of style with the other notable studio like KyoAni/JC Staff/A1) it'll be utterly bland Love Hina, by Production IG Seto No Hanayome by Gonzo Both are in the suggestions, and both are well received. Also: Toradora by JC Staff School Rumble by Studio Comet Nyan-Koi by AIC Do these Romcom title needs "SHAFT" to work? No, and that's a fact. Still everyone who said yes failed to explain why SHAFT would work better besides fanboying and Sucking SHAFT's...shaft. |
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| I think everyone would have is own opinion but c'mon different is better, where is the point if every anime's animation looks the same XD makarov52 said: what are you talking about?! shaft to be normal art? meh... just dream about it.. shaft always different with all.. they has their own special :3 dont tell me you really dont like it :/ even the school almost look a like with school from adaptation from monogatari series XD Hahaha, and also the head movements looked very similar to the movements that Senjougahara uses to do XD |
Estiviwinkinson said: I think everyone would have is own opinion but c'mon different is better, where is the point if every anime's animation looks the same XD But what makes different better? What's so different about Nisekoi that it needs to be different from other romcoms? Is Nisekoi so forgettable that it needs a crutch? (Nisekoi is still one of the newest long running romcoms titles still serializing in Shonen Jump ) My problem is not those opinions but the lack of explanation behind those opinions. Also to anyone who says that Nisekoi is bland/forgettable that's just your personal bias talking, it's manga sales have surpassed the sales of To Love Ru's original manga series when it was still in Shonen Jump. (It's now in Jump SQ, different magazine under the same company) |
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kaimax said: Estiviwinkinson said: I think everyone would have is own opinion but c'mon different is better, where is the point if every anime's animation looks the same XD But what makes different better? What's so different about Nisekoi that it needs to be different from other romcoms? Is Nisekoi so forgettable that it needs a crutch? My problem is not those opinions but the lack logic and lack explanation behind those opinions. Sorry but it was only a opinion about how the animation looked for me. I personally haven't read the manga so the few I know of the story it's what I have seen. If you want to know my opinion I always have thought that animation is a very important aspect so the better or different it is the more special the anime could be. Obviously is not the only fact and the anime could be a master piece without it, but for me is like i said "different is better". A different animation than usual could be atractive and makes the anime look different than the whole other romances at least in the animation XD |
kaimax said: Estiviwinkinson said: I think everyone would have is own opinion but c'mon different is better, where is the point if every anime's animation looks the same XD But what makes different better? What's so different about Nisekoi that it needs to be different from other romcoms? Is Nisekoi so forgettable that it needs a crutch? (Nisekoi is still one of the newest long running romcoms titles still serializing in Shonen Jump ) My problem is not those opinions but the lack of explanation behind those opinions. Also to anyone who says that Nisekoi is bland/forgettable that's just your personal bias talking, it's manga sales have surpassed the sales of To Love Ru's original manga series when it was still in Shonen Jump. (It's now in Jump SQ, different magazine under the same company) You seem to miss the whole point. Would Shaft make it worse? No, the animation is perfect as it is. My post was countering those who said Shaft's animation couldn't work out with this anime, which is utter bullshit. It works, and it certainly has a positive impact on Nisekoi. The first thing that stands out are exactly the backgrounds. What's so different? Nothing. Does it have to be special to deserve Shaft's attention? No. You people seem to believe only peculiar shows fit Shaft's way of doing things. |
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| I expected a different animation also but I like this kind of animation that was used in 'Monogatari Series' is still too early to tell, but I hope to continue to maintain the quality of the manga and add new points to the plot .. _______ eu esperava uma animação diferente também mas gosto deste tipo de animação, que foi usado em 'Monogatari Series' ainda é cedo demais para dizer, mas espero que continue a manter a qualidade do mangá e acrescente novos pontos ao enredo .. |
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sherlock5545 said: You seem to miss the whole point. Would Shaft make it worse? No, the animation is perfect as it is. My post was countering those who said Shaft's animation couldn't work out with this anime, which is utter bullshit. It works, and it certainly has a positive impact on Nisekoi. The first thing that stands out are exactly the backgrounds. What's so different? Nothing. Does it have to be special to deserve Shaft's attention? No. You people seem to believe only peculiar shows fit Shaft's way of doing things. You're missing MY point, because I never said it would make it worse. I just want some solid answers from these people claiming it's "perfect". Why is it perfect? What makes it perfect? What is this positive impact you're talking about? If there's no difference then why are you saying that Shafts animation is perfect for this anime? what's wrong with normal type animations? If it isn't special, why are people making it sound that Nisekoi will flop without Shaft? Opinions still needs a good explanation, if you can't do that that's just the same as pulling stuff out of your ass. |
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kaimax said: sherlock5545 said: You seem to miss the whole point. Would Shaft make it worse? No, the animation is perfect as it is. My post was countering those who said Shaft's animation couldn't work out with this anime, which is utter bullshit. It works, and it certainly has a positive impact on Nisekoi. The first thing that stands out are exactly the backgrounds. What's so different? Nothing. Does it have to be special to deserve Shaft's attention? No. You people seem to believe only peculiar shows fit Shaft's way of doing things. You're missing MY point, because I never said it would make it worse. I just want some solid answers from these people claiming it's "perfect". Why is it perfect? What makes it perfect? What is this positive impact you're talking about? If there's no difference then why are you saying that Shafts animation is perfect for this anime? what's wrong with normal type animations? If it isn't special, why are people making it sound that Nisekoi will flop without Shaft? Opinions still needs a good explanation, if you can't do that that's just the same as pulling stuff out of your ass. Why does it matter? Any animation style would be fine, however, Shaft's technique is more peculiar, it's pleasant and it certainly gives off a different impression to the anime. Mind me, I'm not talking about the plot itself, that would be the same regardless of animation styles. I like Shaft's way of doing things, so to me it's nice to have a manga I like to be animated by them. Two preys with on stone, win-win. Your questions are a concatenation on whys which'd never end. So, let me rephrase, why would Nisekoi NOT need Shaft? |
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| My opinion may be unwanted on this heated debate you are having over Shaft being not good for this kind of show but here I go. I'm quite the Shaft fan and I've also read the manga to what's been translated. Havig said that I must say that yeah, I'm somewhat confused about Shaft's approach to the series. There where nice moments and bad moments during hte whole episode. The prime example of a good moment being the beginning sequence of the promise and Chitoge's landing on Raku. But there where some bad touches like the sparkling some escenes had and the overall design of the school's indoors. That isn't a normal highschool which was one of the important points in the manga. Just now, I'm simply expectant of what can happen in the future. Seems like Shaft is seriously taking a bet and trying to redefine what is a romcom harem anime. What everyone must get excited with, in my humble opinion, is that someone is trying to do this. The harem genre is getting stale atm and SHAFT putting their hands on the fire for something like this is something I'm grateful to then. I wonder if the whole season has been done already or they are waiting to get some reaction from the viewers. Of course there is also the possiblity, and it has the bigger chance, that this will be a disaster but hey, better trying that not letting it rot. |
-MgZ_ said: reyhangustira said: i mean, look, there's too much romcom out there. without any X factor (in this case, animation), nisekoi has no chance against currently airing romcom like chuuninbyou, witch craft work, or golden time IMO No chance against witch craft work nor golden time? What? And you seriously think KyoAni is in the same level as A-1? Wow. i'm not trying to comparing those 2 studio, i'm an avid KyoAni fan FYI what i want to talk about is, those 2 studio often moe-ing show, which is sacrificing the depth of story itself kaimax said: sherlock5545 said: Quit the bashing guys, the animation is perfect and makes it more enjoyable to watch.. What makes it perfect? what makes it "work" much more than normal animation? Try answering that without sounding like Nisekoi needs a crutch named SHAFT. reyhangustira said: if Nisekoi animated with studio other Shaft (which is in my personal view, is totally different in terms of style with the other notable studio like KyoAni/JC Staff/A1) it'll be utterly bland Love Hina, by Production IG Seto No Hanayome by Gonzo Both are in the suggestions, and both are well received. Also: Toradora by JC Staff School Rumble by Studio Comet Nyan-Koi by AIC Do these Romcom title needs "SHAFT" to work? No, and that's a fact. Still everyone who said yes failed to explain why SHAFT would work better besides fanboying and Sucking SHAFT's...shaft. agree, not all the romcom need Shaft to work, but just read Nisekoi's manga a chapter or two, Nisekoi is...like this guy said scytheavatar said: You guys haven't been paying attention.... the manga itself is famous for all the head tilts, reaction faces and slapstick humor, it's more or less in the same vein as any typical Shaft series and is the perfect target for the Shaft style. It would have made for a mediocre anime if not for Shaft saving it. that's why normal treatment won't show it's full potentials and then, the romcom you've just shown to me is ,well let's see...love hina (2000), Seto No Hanayome (2007), ToraDora (2008), NyanKoi (2009)... yeah as you see that , all of them have around 5-10 years before the time Nisekoi getting animated, of course it'll be worse if Nisekoi is executed with the same methods with the show you're comparing to OVanBruce said: Just now, I'm simply expectant of what can happen in the future. Seems like Shaft is seriously taking a bet and trying to redefine what is a romcom harem anime. this is what i really want to expect from Nisekoi |
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| I thought the episode was so average that the only saving grace was the Shaft's animation/style. |
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sherlock5545 said: why would Nisekoi NOT need Shaft? Simple as in there are other anime studios that have been proven able to handle romance comedy and have a longer experience dealing with it. In reality Nisekoi's material is so easy that it could work with any studio including Shaft. Keep in mind that my questions were born from people who claims that "Shaft is perfect for Nisekoi" and "Without Shaft Nisekoi is bland and not memorable" Now it's your turn again to try and answer my questions, don't try to shrug away my answers by asking back. Why is it perfect? What makes it perfect? What is this positive impact you're talking about? If there's no difference then why are you saying that Shafts animation is perfect for this anime? what's wrong with normal type animations? If it isn't special, why are people making it sound that Nisekoi will flop without Shaft? Please try to remove any personal preferences on your answers because it's irrelevant. reyhangustira said: that's why normal treatment won't show it's full potentials and then, the romcom you've just shown to me is ,well let's see...love hina (2000), Seto No Hanayome (2007), ToraDora (2008), NyanKoi (2009)... yeah as you see that , all of them have around 5-10 years before the time Nisekoi getting animated, of course it'll be worse if Nisekoi is executed with the same methods with the show you're comparing to In what way normal animations hinders it's full potential? Do you honestly think because "oh the manga has head tilts,reaction faces and slapstick" it's suddenly a show suited for Shaft? Then why was Seto no Hanayome received well by the public, when it's not done by shaft who someone claims it's the perfect target for shaft? How can it be worse for Nisekoi, if it's been proven for 5-10 years that shows like that has been received well? Why the sudden decision that the same setting won't work for Nisekoi? Please try to remove any personal preferences on your answers because it's irrelevant. |
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| I don't really care that much As long as I understand what happening in the story and the animation quality is decent I don't really care what "style" they use. Obviously, if it's something as bad as "naruto vs pain" style then yes I would be upset but so far it's nothing that critical. |
ambient said: Honestly, getting shafted is imho the best thing that can happen to Nisekoi. Gives it an edge over other romcoms, too. I also hope that SHAFT will save it from ending up like manga. Not art-wise, but plot-wise. This is a much more important issue than some petty animation preferences. Leave it to JCStaff, and you'll get another Golden Time. With the same issues, most likely. Or you'll get another Negima. I love how blind fanboys tend to forget bombed animations created by Shaft existed. Or, they never watched any Shaft anime other than Monogatari series and Madoka. |
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| Doesn't matter about what art I prefer. Its about the story and characters, not the art. Except if it's really old though, sometimes. |
| I felt like the over artsy-ness doesn't really suit this series, but I don't really care tbh. |
sherlock5545 said: ScazoN said: GUY WHAT DOES SHAFT MEAN?!! >.< Shaft is the animation studio that's doing this anime. ohhh thanks , i guess everyone hates it :/ |
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kenshin_sama said: Not only is it refreshing to see this genre handled differently, but Shaft's animation is still pretty fun. I can see why it would bother some people, but I love the change of pace. Especially considering how the style is different from the manga (I peeked a little). Still, pretty fantastic how Shinbou can maintain his style while keeping faithful to the writing. Guy's a damn genius. i go with you! |
| By the time I watched this I completely forgot it was done by Shaft and didn't realize till 5 minutes i nthat it was Shaft. They definitely toned it down but before I even realized it was done by shaft I couldn't shake the feeling that I loved the artistic direction they were taking in the show. The mark of a truly great company would be their versatility, and that is precisely what we're getting to see here from Shaft. I didn't find it to be awkward at all, but then again I've felt pretty off throughout today. |
| Ehhh? I thought it actually fit pretty well. Rather, if it was normal I think it'd be too generic... SHAFT's animation is what makes it so fun to watch. |
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Zeally said: wtf is "normal" animation apparently not SHAFT animation... lol |
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| The animation was one of the strongest points in the first episode in my opinion. I like shaftstyle. |
| shaft is kind of obnoxious but i kind of like it |
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