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| This evil organization sure has a thing for attracting perverse girls! That scene with the tres magias was something else 😅 Korisu has some pretty unusual medical procedures but it is effective! Haha Kiwi was sent straight to horny jail! |
| A rather wholesome episode this time around. I love Alice already. She does all those lewd things with such innocence and she a very good friend to Utena! I bet she just joined Enormita because they had a cute outfit and cool powers. The last scene with her mom was the best however. In both how her mom could read she got happier after meeting Utena and in how she didn't want another doll because she found someone to fix them. Of couse, there is the small possibility it's all just an act and she's actually the worst sadist in the world. But I don't really see that. Comedy didn't fall short either, be it Azure's expressions or Leoparde in Horny Jail! |
| mommy milkers lol but this episode felt a bit off compared to all the others. |
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| Venalita wanting both Utena and Kiwi to come to Nacht Base...and they're greeted by its 3rd member: Korisu Morino. How he managed to get her in...is by her whisking his tail and treating it like it's her own pet. But as is with any member of Enormita, Korisu gets her own unique make, like an alternate Alice in Wonderland. At the same time, the Magia Tres got caught in one of Korisu's traps with the cat doll, which evolved into a monster. Unfortunately, this is not enough to take down the rest of the monster dolls...and both Magenta and Sulfur have degraded to their childlike selves with Azure being the only sane one. It was all an illusion from Neroalice's dollhouse power, which is quite the OP power. All she needs is control, because she'll get tired if she uses her power too much. Both Utena and Kiwi being invited to Korisu's house, she's quite the loner also, living alone with her mother, and a whole fest of new and old dolls in her room. But the one doll that she has kept in a glass enclosure, it's a special one from her mother, and Utena offers to help her fix the doll. But in the process, Utena getting sick, and Korisu traps her in her dollhouse to get treatment done. So, in a way, depending on the good or evil person, it can help or be a detriment, though facing the same fetish treatment. And Kiwi...decides to take advantage of that, though too bad, not to her ideal. Korisu...I hate to say this, but she's a character who must be protected. |
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| holy shit man how the fuck is this series getting away with being so based |
| Love Alice as a character and her powers are super cool, but maybe the show shouldn't be sexualizing the non-verbal, possibly traumatized girl. |
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HyperlinkBlocked said: I think I can interpret this as just a less forceful way of turning Kiwi down, rather than an implication that they've stayed at a love hotel before.I'm not the guy who said Twitter would be up un arms about this. Also, this episode's subs are turning The Utena/Kiwi ship canonical. There was a whole line about going to a hotel where Utena flatly turns Kiwi down, and the subs say "not now", as if to say "later", and implying they've gone before. Khkie said: I didn't know they were allowed to broadcast that... O.O Still, I've heard there are some censored versions of this being broadcast, so I'm not sure where the uncensored version has and hasn't been broadcast.The transformation scene lmao... The whole time I was like "Its totally fine if they wont show it", but the studio has balls (unlike that certain ecchi show this season that cuts the whole thing). |
Reply to TheColonel76
We got introduced to Korisu in this one, I like the fact that they even made use of her forehead in her transformed look lol. And she seems innocent enough but that was before we saw what she thought up in her little dollhouse that trapped Tres Magia, definitely quite tasteful, it was kinda funny how the “husband” Magenta joined the “baby” Sulfur in her tiddy meal lol.
And the 2nd half we got to see Korisu’s room, and she has quite the doll collection but they’re very beat up, so it was nice of Utena to fix her favorite of the bunch but she ended up getting sick, this wasn’t a bad thing in hindsight lol. The whole doctor bit was pretty good, I did find it more silly that hot but it was still kinda hot, and the adult Korisu reminded me a bit of Kusuri from 100 Girlfriends which I liked as well.
And the 2nd half we got to see Korisu’s room, and she has quite the doll collection but they’re very beat up, so it was nice of Utena to fix her favorite of the bunch but she ended up getting sick, this wasn’t a bad thing in hindsight lol. The whole doctor bit was pretty good, I did find it more silly that hot but it was still kinda hot, and the adult Korisu reminded me a bit of Kusuri from 100 Girlfriends which I liked as well.
| @TheColonel76 the good family drink milk together. lol goth loli Sulfur is so cute. xD |
| Wow Kiwi actually went to Horny Jail this episode Korisu's ability seems really powerful. I'm excited to see how it's gonna be used in the future. Loved this episode, can't wait for more! |
Reply to BlueBullet178
Love Alice as a character and her powers are super cool, but maybe the show shouldn't be sexualizing the non-verbal, possibly traumatized girl.
| @BlueBullet178 I must have missed where that happened. Unless, I'm guessing, you think the human body is an inherently sexual thing if not covered up? In which case it's you/society doing that. |
| Korisu looks cute but I don't know what to think of her personality at the moment with her being mute. Not sure i should be worried about her or it's just meant to make her seem mysterious and cute. That was sweet of Utena to fix Korisu's doll. That's some wild power to be able to have a little mini world to control and even heal the common cold. I laughed for Kiwi being sent to horny jail. HyperlinkBlocked said: The subs for this series are atrocious, as usual. Jesus Christ. Now they've got Utena talking like she's actually already doing lesbian stuff at hotels, when she's actually turning the other girl down flat. Utena said いけないよ ikenai-yo. Now im not claiming to know Japanese but looking it up and understanding Japanese is very contextual I can get a few things. I don't fully grasp the meaning in this context but how is that a flat rejection? It seems more ambiguous avoidance speak from what i gather. Not sure the best way to translate that but something like "we gotta go do this though" or "we can't though" might do. I think when they used "not now" what was actually meant by the translator likely was dismissal of even listening to what was said and the person translating probably didnt see the scene just read a script so they didnt see how Utena said it which is why it read that way for some people. https://bondlingo.tv/blog/ikenai%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-and-naranai%E3%81%AA%E3%82%89%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-how-to-say-must-or-need-to-in-japanese |
| oh my !! why always so interesting every episode !! |
| Loved the chapter. Alice is cute as heck! Utena wanted to do the Rena thing and take Alice home~ This time the anime adapts chapters 9 and 11. Some changes compared to the manga: - When Utena was sick and Korisu used her powers transforming into an Adult-Nurse Alice, we got an extra anime-only scene where Alice puts ointment on Utena's breasts. - Korisu's transformation scene was censored in the manga and she didn't said Trans Magia in the manga. - Korisu's birthday and her mom wasn't shown in the manga. - Tres Magia's training in the 11th chapter was also skipped. - Also, they skipped showing the rest of Enormita evil girls that showed up at the end of ch 11. - Judging from the title of ep 6 we'll get chapter 10 adaptation there. |
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Reply to traed
Korisu looks cute but I don't know what to think of her personality at the moment with her being mute. Not sure i should be worried about her or it's just meant to make her seem mysterious and cute.
That was sweet of Utena to fix Korisu's doll.
That's some wild power to be able to have a little mini world to control and even heal the common cold.
I laughed for Kiwi being sent to horny jail.
Utena said いけないよ ikenai-yo. Now im not claiming to know Japanese but looking it up and understanding Japanese is very contextual I can get a few things. I don't fully grasp the meaning in this context but how is that a flat rejection? It seems more ambiguous avoidance speak from what i gather. Not sure the best way to translate that but something like "we gotta go do this though" or "we can't though" might do. I think when they used "not now" what was actually meant by the translator likely was dismissal of even listening to what was said and the person translating probably didnt see the scene just read a script so they didnt see how Utena said it which is why it read that way for some people.
https://bondlingo.tv/blog/ikenai%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-and-naranai%E3%81%AA%E3%82%89%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-how-to-say-must-or-need-to-in-japanese
That was sweet of Utena to fix Korisu's doll.
That's some wild power to be able to have a little mini world to control and even heal the common cold.
I laughed for Kiwi being sent to horny jail.
HyperlinkBlocked said:
The subs for this series are atrocious, as usual. Jesus Christ. Now they've got Utena talking like she's actually already doing lesbian stuff at hotels, when she's actually turning the other girl down flat.
The subs for this series are atrocious, as usual. Jesus Christ. Now they've got Utena talking like she's actually already doing lesbian stuff at hotels, when she's actually turning the other girl down flat.
Utena said いけないよ ikenai-yo. Now im not claiming to know Japanese but looking it up and understanding Japanese is very contextual I can get a few things. I don't fully grasp the meaning in this context but how is that a flat rejection? It seems more ambiguous avoidance speak from what i gather. Not sure the best way to translate that but something like "we gotta go do this though" or "we can't though" might do. I think when they used "not now" what was actually meant by the translator likely was dismissal of even listening to what was said and the person translating probably didnt see the scene just read a script so they didnt see how Utena said it which is why it read that way for some people.
https://bondlingo.tv/blog/ikenai%E3%81%84%E3%81%91%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-and-naranai%E3%81%AA%E3%82%89%E3%81%AA%E3%81%84-how-to-say-must-or-need-to-in-japanese
| @traed it's 行かない not 行けない |
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Reply to TimeFliesAway
@SuperAdventure
deaf? where has it been shown she's deaf?
bruh are you seriously being dysability-phobic?? you don't have to talk to be a character, and talking isn't the only voice people have. Guess you also don't see sign language as a language??
mom? whose mom? It was either grown-up Korisu or a doll.
SuperAdventure said:
A deaf-mute
A deaf-mute
deaf? where has it been shown she's deaf?
SuperAdventure said:
But a new character that doesn't even contribute dialogue isn't really a character
But a new character that doesn't even contribute dialogue isn't really a character
bruh are you seriously being dysability-phobic?? you don't have to talk to be a character, and talking isn't the only voice people have. Guess you also don't see sign language as a language??
SuperAdventure said:
Then her mom.. examined Utena.
Then her mom.. examined Utena.
mom? whose mom? It was either grown-up Korisu or a doll.
| @TimeFliesAway Dude are you Woke "dysability" (misspelled) phobic... I don't do political correctness so if my opinion offended you, good, be offended. The episode showed her mom then showed a grownup woman examining Utena so it implied that it was her mom and didn't explain or make obvious she wasn't. Then the next scene they show her mom come home and offer to buy her a doll so it really implies the girl fantasized about her mom doing that to Utena. IDGAF it's an interpretation how I saw the episode. If they wanted me to see different, then that failure is on the episode not mine It's barely worth discussing because it was a badly made shitty episode |
| Alice is really overpowered. She cured Utenas cold through pretend play! |
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| Tbh the most boring and weirdest episode so far. Tres Magia in that dollhouse was just straight-up weird. People seem to be surprised about the transformation scene but legit if you already have watched obscure anime instead of always mainstream stuff this is the least surprising thing here. The curing cold scene just had me looking at the screen wondering what the point is. |
| How tf this is even legal |
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Reply to Phantom_373
Gotta say I’m starting to really love kiwi-chan almost as much as I love Utena I really love her character.
Korisu definitely has a broken af power and she’s definitely a great addition to utena’s group. Kinda sucks we never saw Utena transform this episode but I don’t mind.
I’m not sure if Korisu is mute or if she’s just super shy which would make sense she’s a kid.
I’m curious to see where the show goes from here now the last of the main 3 has been introduced.
Korisu definitely has a broken af power and she’s definitely a great addition to utena’s group. Kinda sucks we never saw Utena transform this episode but I don’t mind.
I’m not sure if Korisu is mute or if she’s just super shy which would make sense she’s a kid.
I’m curious to see where the show goes from here now the last of the main 3 has been introduced.
| I don't think I've read any Korisu line in the manga... But in this ep she said "transmagia" D: Gotta give the VA something to do! |
Ah my bad, I was going by ear so I went with whatever was closest to what I heard and didn't consider there would be an extremely similar sounding word. HyperlinkBlocked said: I am claiming to know Japanese. She said いかないよ, which is "I won't go". It's a flat rejection because she's clearly, and unambiguously stated her specific desire not to go, at all, in the current time, or the foreseeable future. Japanese is a language is passiveness and subtlety. It's considered quite forward, rude, even, to just say "you" to someone in conversation. So a thing they do to soften the shock is to literally just use the name of the second person in place of that "you" in polite circumstances. When someone asks you if you want to do something, you don't just say "no", you offer up an excuse, even an obviously bad one, or you imply that you're uncomfortable with something like "それはちょっと..." (That's a little...). So someone as meek as Utena straight up saying "I'm not going" is basically the Japanese equivalent of saying "No. Stop asking already." There is no alternative interpretation here. The translator is either injecting ideology into the script after identifying a chance to make the pairing canonical, or so phenomenally incompetent that Chat GPT would unironically do better, even without Human intervention. I had misheard it a little. Ah yeah I heard Japanese people skirt around giving straight answers but anime characters in general are more direct. I guess "you know I won't go" could have worked well for the sub then based on how she sounded in her voice it basically would be saying that makes her uncomfortable. Don't you think so? MaouNemesis said: Korisu's transformation scene was censored in the manga and she didn't said Trans Magia in the manga. You technically could say it's still censored. Most of the transformation scene you couldnt even see her nipples and when you do it's just lightly simply drawn which ive seen in kids shows before, nothing like the other girls fully coloured in and detailed. MaouNemesis said: Korisu's birthday and her mom wasn't shown in the manga. I hope they consulted the mangaka on character design for that. |
traedFeb 1, 2:19 PM
Reply to traed
Ah my bad, I was going by ear so I went with whatever was closest to what I heard and didn't consider there would be an extremely similar sounding word.
HyperlinkBlocked said:
I am claiming to know Japanese. She said いかないよ, which is "I won't go". It's a flat rejection because she's clearly, and unambiguously stated her specific desire not to go, at all, in the current time, or the foreseeable future. Japanese is a language is passiveness and subtlety. It's considered quite forward, rude, even, to just say "you" to someone in conversation. So a thing they do to soften the shock is to literally just use the name of the second person in place of that "you" in polite circumstances. When someone asks you if you want to do something, you don't just say "no", you offer up an excuse, even an obviously bad one, or you imply that you're uncomfortable with something like "それはちょっと..." (That's a little...). So someone as meek as Utena straight up saying "I'm not going" is basically the Japanese equivalent of saying "No. Stop asking already."
There is no alternative interpretation here. The translator is either injecting ideology into the script after identifying a chance to make the pairing canonical, or so phenomenally incompetent that Chat GPT would unironically do better, even without Human intervention.
I am claiming to know Japanese. She said いかないよ, which is "I won't go". It's a flat rejection because she's clearly, and unambiguously stated her specific desire not to go, at all, in the current time, or the foreseeable future. Japanese is a language is passiveness and subtlety. It's considered quite forward, rude, even, to just say "you" to someone in conversation. So a thing they do to soften the shock is to literally just use the name of the second person in place of that "you" in polite circumstances. When someone asks you if you want to do something, you don't just say "no", you offer up an excuse, even an obviously bad one, or you imply that you're uncomfortable with something like "それはちょっと..." (That's a little...). So someone as meek as Utena straight up saying "I'm not going" is basically the Japanese equivalent of saying "No. Stop asking already."
There is no alternative interpretation here. The translator is either injecting ideology into the script after identifying a chance to make the pairing canonical, or so phenomenally incompetent that Chat GPT would unironically do better, even without Human intervention.
I had misheard it a little. Ah yeah I heard Japanese people skirt around giving straight answers but anime characters in general are more direct. I guess "you know I won't go" could have worked well for the sub then based on how she sounded in her voice it basically would be saying that makes her uncomfortable. Don't you think so?
MaouNemesis said:
Korisu's transformation scene was censored in the manga and she didn't said Trans Magia in the manga.
Korisu's transformation scene was censored in the manga and she didn't said Trans Magia in the manga.
You technically could say it's still censored. Most of the transformation scene you couldnt even see her nipples and when you do it's just lightly simply drawn which ive seen in kids shows before, nothing like the other girls fully coloured in and detailed.
MaouNemesis said:
Korisu's birthday and her mom wasn't shown in the manga.
Korisu's birthday and her mom wasn't shown in the manga.
I hope they consulted the mangaka on character design for that.
traed said: Ah my bad, I was going by ear so I went with whatever was closest to what I heard and didn't consider there would be an extremely similar sounding word. Yeah, いかない is "Won't go", いけない is "can't go", naughty, bad, etc. . Which, even if that were what she said, it still wouldn't mean "Not now" or anything like it. Both are written in kana. traed said: I had misheard it a little. Ah yeah I heard Japanese people skirt around giving straight answers but anime characters in general are more direct. I guess "you know I won't go" could have worked well for the sub then based on how she sounded in her voice it basically would be saying that makes her uncomfortable. Don't you think so? Her rejection was shockingly direct, considering her character. Despite her relatively meek nature, she effectively stopped the other one dead in her tracks with the firmest tone she could use short of telling her to stop bringing it up. But yes, your thing would have been better than what the sub ended up being, if nothing else. Maybe they should have hired you instead. But this wasn't an "I'm uncomfortable" at all, but a clear "no". It shows that they've really grown closer, and Utena is starting to feel comfortable voicing her opinions clearly. This characterization's been completely lost because of the Commie in charge of the subs. |
HyperlinkBlockedFeb 1, 3:22 PM
| That ending part was too sweet for this anime lol. The introduction of the last evil magical girl is there, the cute Korisu joins the Enormita crew with her doll house power, which makes for very interesting and unique ecchi moments. Interesting to note that Utena didn't even transform at all this episode, which is a first so far. I'm excited to know what's next for this anime, probably all of the 3 main girls using their powers together might get something crazy cool/lewd, but what's next ? Time will tell, so far it's still as enjoyable as it can be. |
| I like everything, ok |
| Morino-chan is so cute. Wonderful episode. |
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| "In this episode, we meet Korisu, a new member of Enormita. It appears her powers are quite formidable, as she controls stuffed animals or dolls, and if she captures you in her dollhouse, you are at her mercy. The girls of 'Tres Magia' and Utena experienced this firsthand. |
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| This was a wholewdsome episode. Refreshing. |
| bruh |
Reply to Comet1
@logopolis Nobody is saying the naked body is an inherently sexual thing though? But if you think that Korisu wasn't sexualized at all in this episode, that's just being straight up disingenuous. I mean what other reasons would they add those fanservicy extra scenes other than for fanservice?
Now to be clear, I'm not complaining because of her age being 9 (it's a fictional character so who cares), however it definitely ruins the character dynamic from the manga, where Utena would always try to protect Korisu from seeing any sexual things and she was the only magical girl not sexualized at all (for good reason).
Now to be clear, I'm not complaining because of her age being 9 (it's a fictional character so who cares), however it definitely ruins the character dynamic from the manga, where Utena would always try to protect Korisu from seeing any sexual things and she was the only magical girl not sexualized at all (for good reason).
Comet1 said: Nobody is saying the naked body is an inherently sexual thing though? There are definitely some people thinking that way, even if they don't include yourself. But if you think that Korisu wasn't sexualized at all in this episode, that's just being straight up disingenuous. I mean what other reasons would they add those fanservicy extra scenes other than for fanservice? I'm not familiar with any early storyboards, so I don't know what was originally planned to happen and what changes were made. But in any case, it's irrelevant. The production process shouldn't dictate how you view the finished product. No scene is "extra". All the scenes are just "the scenes". Now to be clear, I'm not complaining because of her age being 9 (it's a fictional character so who cares), however it definitely ruins the character dynamic from the manga, where Utena would always try to protect Korisu from seeing any sexual things The job of an anime isn't to slavishly recreate the source material. Judge the character dynamic they are actually going for. and she was the only magical girl not sexualized at all (for good reason). That's where you need to get specific, so that people who didn't think the same things as you know what you mean. |
traed said: I suppose that strikes a better compromise between the written line being direct, but Utena's voice still sounding meek and not so forceful. She even stutters the first syllable.I had misheard it a little. Ah yeah I heard Japanese people skirt around giving straight answers but anime characters in general are more direct. I guess "you know I won't go" could have worked well for the sub then based on how she sounded in her voice it basically would be saying that makes her uncomfortable. Don't you think so? HyperlinkBlocked said: If you are suggesting that the script is being tampered with in translation to suggest a real lesbian relationship between Utena and Kiwi, I'm not seeing it at this stage. Not with the way episode 3 ended with Kiwi trying to pull Utena into a love hotel, while Utena held the signpost so as to not get dragged in. Sure, that seems to be the way Kiwi would have it, but Utena isn't reciprocating.Utena was actually surprisingly forceful in the raw. She outright said "I'm not going", instead of the deflection you might expect, given her character. Don't give them an inch. They're explicitly trying to inject ideology into scripts every chance they get, while also trying to revive their failed writing careers. |
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