86 Episode 7 Discussion

Antanaru said:
This show turned out to be surprisingly decent but there's still one big qualm about it: save for 3 major characters, Alba are either cartoonishly evil or stupid. Rolling your eyes at poorly written antagonist really breaks the immersion.

Antanaru said:
This show turned out to be surprisingly decent but there's still one big qualm about it: save for 3 major characters, Alba are either cartoonishly evil or stupid. Rolling your eyes at poorly written antagonist really breaks the immersion.

UTMAN said:


Well the Alba is not the antagonist of the show, now even the series. The antagonist is the Legion and a Shephard.

Antanaru said:
If you don't want to see them as antagonists, then they are a piece of really bad word building then.

Antanaru said:
Legion might be the main antagonist but Alba are portrayed as antagonists as well, just so badly you can't even treat them seriously. They are acting against people you're supposed to be rooting for.If you don't want to see them as antagonists, then they are a piece of really bad word building then.

UTMAN said:


No not really?

The Republic even though are assholes:
- They provide the 86 some weapons/ vehicle
- 1 month worth of supply

Well the moment they started this whole thing the whole "rooting" for them is out of quetion. There is a reason why the Alba is trying to get rid of the 86. But you are more busy blindly hating on them rather than thinking about it.

Antanaru said:

They said this episode it was for the next rotation. Every single unnamed person in the military acts in a way that wouldn't be allowed in any workplace. So far there's nothing shown to justify Alba's actions, so there's nothing to think about. It would be possible to discuss thins but you're too busy being a tosser and throwing strawman non arguments around.

kljy said:
You forgot we have 2 cour for this season?

imSOunique said:
I don't think many have noticed, but our 86 squadron is fighting in today's Tunisia:

Neion4ty7 said:


people that expected more action would have dropped it by now and scored it low also I have seen a fair bit of people have a low opinion about it whilst obviously having missed a lot of information when they talk about it which just goes with dialogue heavy shows when a majority rely on subs which especially in this episode were of questionable quality.

Another reason is there are people like me that don't score till the end and so haven't given it high scores yet. I'm sure it will go up after it finishes airing.

Schmeks said:
How do you guys feel about this anime so far? I think this episode was good, but I can’t help, but feel like so far everything could’ve been better. Like the build up of characters and all. Having talking scenes a lot is good, but I just think there was so much more potential in those gathering scenes. Like idk, some way to make us feel way more attached the each character so that each death and each of their actions felt so much more meaningful. Don’t get me wrong, death is sad, but I just feel like it could’ve been way more. Like for example, the feeling of To Your Eternity’s first episode for example. Two completely different animes, I get it, and so I can’t really directly compare. But I feel like this show had that potential. Introducing us with some sad scene possibly and going forward to explain it. Like a really good hook, and continuation where there’s lots of sadness, yet the message clearly comes through. So you feel sad, but you also understand their mindset. It’s hard to explain, but basically you understand not just from words they say, but from seeing who they are. Maybe more flashbacks of their childhood, or what lead up to this basically. Cause I had high hopes for this anime based on the Light Novel, and it’s not like it’s doing bad, it just could be much better.

Rickydory123 said:
Finally they revealed the truth. If it is a execution ground then there should be a reason why they are being sent there, something like they killed many Albas in the past similar to Eldians in AoT but if it's just because of their appearance then...that's a really stupid reason.

Antanaru said:
This show turned out to be surprisingly decent but there's still one big qualm about it: save for 3 major characters, Alba are either cartoonishly evil or stupid. Rolling your eyes at poorly written antagonist really breaks the immersion.

feha said:
Ended up a bit bored after watching ep 8, and was wondering about how they made it sound like they had lost ppl to the artillery in ep 7, despite my memory only having near-misses.
So to verify I threw some numbers together, and ended up with the artillery shells having an air-time of 24 seconds at the very least. Meaning that to kill anyone moving around in a hectic combat-situation, the spotter would need literal precog in order to lead their targets adequately. Or in other words, I can only assume noone died except potentially their own sniper/artillery, if they had any such camper that remained stationary for that long. So the 'white pigs' are right, there are no casualties in that fight.

Basically (in case someone feels like verifying the math), all I did was take the given map-distance of 400km, assume an earth-like planet (radius 7 Mm, g=9.82), and calculate the smallest height of the parabola required simply to clear the curvature of the planet itself (so no thoughts given to muzzle/projectile velocity at all), and then use the free-fall time to find out how long it would take for the full arc.
And I got it to be that the straight line between 2 points on a sphere were at its furthest point(aka center) `7*10^6 * (1 - sqrt((4-sin^2(1/35)))/2) = 714 meters` away from the spheres surface (the angle comes from knowing the arclength is `400km=a*7Mm`). Which I then plugged into the formula calculating time it takes for objects to fall on earth (*2, as it needs to go up before it comes down), which gave `sqrt(2*h/g)*2 = 24 seconds`.

Then there are likely stuff relating to how technically the acceleration is not always in the same direction, and that this perhaps should have used equations for orbits instead... but I wasn't _that_ bored :p (and any difference is probably minimal).
Arguably stuff like drag could allow for paths that makes everything fall apart though, ie. paths where the shell strikes the surface _at the highest point of its arc,_ by hugging the surface until the drag makes it unable to stay in orbit.

kljy said:
In the novel it was explained the group was baited to a pre-aimed area then enemy carpet bombed the whole area with artillery. You don't need to mind accuracy if you can shell the whole area itself. That's also how real world military do it.
The enemy can use such complex tactic because there's Shin's brother leading them.

feha said:

Carpet-bombing, or artillery barrages in general, are not exactly complex tactics :p But in the anime I got the clear impression that this was neither of those, but rather pin-point strikes attempting to hit directly on their targets. The carpet-bombing happened before, when they were randomly firing all over any ambush-spots any enemy might possibly be hiding in.