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| i got so sad when akasaka killed her )): poor rika having to go through all of this.. |
| A day late but ho boy, wasn't expecting all that gore and such. On one hand I'm hoping we'll get some answers on what was even going on, but honestly the only thing I got from this is someone might be feeding into these people's paranoia? Because we got two instances of people wanting to get the parasites out, one fearing about the swamp gas, and one wanting to stop bloodlines (or something like that I might be recalling wrong). I'm also curious who told keiichi Rika would know the cure on how to get rid of the parisites. Gimme those answers dang it. |
RangetsuStyle said: ssjokg said: And I dont understand why people think a good writer cant make mistakes. He isnt even the only one. It may not even be his mistakes but of the director. Blindly trusting them is asinine. This is the main mistake in this case. There is no reason to think someone screwed up until we saw the whole story. They deliberately want to confuse you, but you think that this simply cannot be, which means that someone screwed up. This is not true. Have you read my posts?Like at all? The problem isnt that Gou is confusing. It isnt confusing at all. The problem is that the execution of everything so far is so freaking bad. 13 episodes of the same shit that was happening in old s1 with 5 minutes of twists at the last ep of each arc. Any difference before that, like Rena's Tsumihoroboshi lines in Onidamashi, or Keichi giving the doll to Mion ended up being easter eggs. Tatari/Minadamashi was again a pointless arc that didnt amount to anything beyond making Ooishi the killer. Ep14 was great. And now ep15 showed us that Gou 1-13 could have been just those 4 failed attempts. The only reason the previous 13 were the OG with some twists is because this failure is supposed to be "newcomer friendly". Well it fails both as a sequel and new series. Why would a newcomer care about Akasaka(whose backstory in this kakera doesnt match his own flashback)? As someone that has only watched the old anime I have no idea and I dont care either about Akane's scene. I can guess her reasons but I have zero emotional attachment to them. Kimiyoshi's scene was great until he TOO started scratching his neck with that stupid animation. And here is another problem. Remember how in the old series GOUGING your freaking neck with your nails actually killed you? Here they dont give a fuck. Oh hey Rika-chan can perfectly talk after getting stabbed(hilarious animation again) as well. Remember how every person that became a killer had a goal and wasnt just parasites inside their necks? Remember how Rena's goal and the parasites were two different things and how they didnt affect her goals? What is up with everyone here? It is like they want the viewers to understand that they have gone crazy. YEAH NO SHIT. It isnt that the show is confusing. The execution of EVERYTHING is just bad. I dont care about the explanations about why everyone went L5 and who the mastermind is. Even if the clues are all there and the culprit reveal makes sense or the reason Rika is trapped again is amazing, it wont change the fact that everything before that was badly executed. Why waste 13 episodes retelling the same exact arcs with twist endings instead of giving us new arcs like Akasaka's or Akane?They didnt have arcs in the OG(Himatsubushi is set in the past) and they would be fresh for everyone. So far Gou has been the definition of waste of time. |
ssjokg said: [ Remember how every person that became a killer had a goal and wasnt just parasites inside their necks? Remember how Rena's goal and the parasites were two different things and how they didnt affect her goals? What is up with everyone here? It is like they want the viewers to understand that they have gone crazy. YEAH NO SHIT. Hi yes, sorry to quote you but this chunk right here of what you said really makes me think of what's happened in the episode. Like there was always some sort of lead up/motive on why they become a killer. Like some sort of information or something triggers a person to become a killer, so my biggest question is "What caused those 4 people to snap and act the way they did?" I hope we get the answers and while I have kinda enjoyed Gou, I would agree right now that the 13 episodes before were kinda a waste and I think I would have enjoyed seeing the uh, 'speedruns' as fullly fleshed arcs. |
crowbutts said: ssjokg said: [ Remember how every person that became a killer had a goal and wasnt just parasites inside their necks? Remember how Rena's goal and the parasites were two different things and how they didnt affect her goals? What is up with everyone here? It is like they want the viewers to understand that they have gone crazy. YEAH NO SHIT. Hi yes, sorry to quote you but this chunk right here of what you said really makes me think of what's happened in the episode. Like there was always some sort of lead up/motive on why they become a killer. Like some sort of information or something triggers a person to become a killer, so my biggest question is "What caused those 4 people to snap and act the way they did?" I hope we get the answers and while I have kinda enjoyed Gou, I would agree right now that the 13 episodes before were kinda a waste and I think I would have enjoyed seeing the uh, 'speedruns' as fullly fleshed arcs. At this point in time, we should actually be able to solve the mystery if we were given enough clues, but so far there isn't much to theorize due to how little information we were given and if that little bit of information is reliable enough. |
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ArcueidBestGirl said: i wouldn't mind this being unsolvable if it at least had a good story.crowbutts said: Hi yes, sorry to quote you but this chunk right here of what you said really makes me think of what's happened in the episode. Like there was always some sort of lead up/motive on why they become a killer. Like some sort of information or something triggers a person to become a killer, so my biggest question is "What caused those 4 people to snap and act the way they did?" I hope we get the answers and while I have kinda enjoyed Gou, I would agree right now that the 13 episodes before were kinda a waste and I think I would have enjoyed seeing the uh, 'speedruns' as fullly fleshed arcs. At this point in time, we should actually be able to solve the mystery if we were given enough clues, but so far there isn't much to theorize due to how little information we were given and if that little bit of information is reliable enough. This no longer feels like a mystery of Rika's murders but a drama of Rika's descent into despair. |
| I have no clue how can any Higurashi fans be happy with this show. Not only it is absolute garbage in terms of quality, it also breaks numerous things the original story set up. These last two seasons were seriously just legendary VN writers spitting on their legacy for the sake of easy anime money. |
Higurashi Gou is the worst anime in existence. |
| "Conjecture is impossible, you have the right to reject this story." Himatsubushi's description makes a lot more sense to Gou imo. Btw I said I'm interested in continue watching, but not in good ill. I felt like the 3 first arcs were a huge waste of time, and I just want to be able to affirm in the end that "this is absolute garbage". There once was a time that I was hyped for a new episode. In fact, ep14 was really interesting. But honestly, I'm just watching for the sake of completionism. I'm far more entertained with the original VN. Even without the mystery, because I already know the story, it's being a refreshing experience. I'm already at Matsuribayashi, and I'm still reflecting on how Tsumihoroboshi was a blast, for an answer arc that I already knew the answer. The question arcs were extremely interesting, because I was watching it looking for their hints. I wanted to see if it was possible to solve the mystery until Tatarigoroshi, and I was impressed that my answer was yes, they were extremely well developed. I wish I had the chance to read them without any knowledge. Meakashi's bad ending was an example of how shocking a blind higurashi experience could be. I was left in the cold, with a big "WHY?" on my thoughts, after thinking a lot about who did that - when we're in shock we don't think properly hahah. I bet by the time I finish console arcs, Umineko won't disappoint me at all either. This is just a 30 min distraction that I end up to remember that aired. Just like Hulio said, we're all trying to discover the big mystery: why Gou exists? |
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MomoSinX said: I did not expect that they would speedrun some of the "last" rounds so fast but it was unexpectedly amazing and hilarious to me. Poor Rika just can't get a break. lmao dompsterfire said: what the fuckk??? so they did a speedrun of the 4 loops. one more... man this has got to be one of the most gruesome episode in higurashi. Did not expect that at all. What was the point of censoring ep 4 when they would legit show Mion and Rika's head fall off. And just like that another week. Excuse my horrible editing skills but I just had to:  You just made the episode worth it for me lol. I hope they will explain how a teenager with a bat managed to wipe out a whole restaurant. Otherwise I agree with most people here: those "itchy itchy itchy" spams and death speedruns are too much. And now this anime is everything but newcomer friendly; why bother with the first arcs that were almost the same than OG, and not expanding this episode into multiple arcs? I did like the "happy Rika" to "shocked Rika" transition with Akasaka (did not expect that), even though I am sad her savior turned out to speedrun L5. We shall see where we are going on the next episodes. |
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jTiKey said: Same VA as Akasaka.Devil_Slayer said: Can Battler show up btw? I am don't even give a dman about consistency, things already went shit long ago. Pretty likely, because they already hired his VA for this episode. Maybe this season is just a bad trailer for umineko S02. RangetsuStyle said: Regardless of whether you think if MAL has these "arrogant Edgelord" or not, it's a fact that people who have rated these Weekly episodes here have voted as loving it.MAL aslo good, if you look at the weekly pull results. Plus, in the forum section, it looks like most people like it, except for the same few arrogant edgelords who continue to dejectedly express their "fuuu". 2nd fact is, that this episode has by far the lowest episode score so far. Which leads to fact 3, many people who had voted they loved the previous episodes, did not love this one. Which - by looking at stastics means - this was not as good episode as the ones before. So don't blame this on MAL and the people who use it and rate on it since ep 1, when they suddenly decide to give it lower score. FireFistYK said: In that case, I'll keep it short as well.I really don't have the time to write an essay on what made the "Deen adaptation" a good anime but a mediocre adaptation. But let's just say that while it doesn't skip any major parts, it's about the direction and the feeling that the Deen anime evokes. Higurashi is famously known as a horror anime but that's not the main theme of the VN nor the message it tried to convey. Neither Higurashi nor Umineko is a mystery in the classic sense, but it's very much a Ryukishi mystery. The music in the answer arc of the VN is also something that contributes to the message and mood that Higurashi tries to convey, thanks to Dai being a mastermind The only negative place I've come across is MAL and maybe Facebook (but who really cares about facebook) I don't want to delve in the topic of "Is Deen good or bad", that doesn't really lead to anything in here, however the point I was making was, how it is... or rather... how GOU is different from Deen? Chapters 1-3 in both were nearly the same. Chapter 1 had very similar horror scenes, and to be honest, the same "horror" scenes. How does GOU's chapter/direction suddenly turn it around that people say "Yeah this is how it should have been made, no horror, no anything that Deen added on it" Yes I agree that Deen might have taken a slightly different approach from the VN. But so far GOU is doing the same. It isn't anymore VNful that Deen was, and frankly, even less. VN never had 4 times Gore Death Spree in it, but suddenly it's okay for everyone, because Deen was the one that was over doing the Gore... If Higurashi and Umineko were not Mysteries in the classic sense, but rather Ryukishi Mysteries. Then GOU is taking it one step further. This really can't be compared the Higurashi/Umineko (VN) mysteries, this isn't even Ryukishi Mystery anymore, something completely new. Yeah the music in VN probably contributed to what Higurashi was about. But how does that make Deen look bad, when GOU uses exactly the same Music as Deen did. o_o Yeah who cares about Facebook, they probably censor every hater anyways. RangetsuStyle said: In that case, there is no reason to believe someone succeeded until we'll see the whole story.This is the main mistake in this case. There is no reason to think someone screwed up until we saw the whole story. They deliberately want to confuse you, but you think that this simply cannot be, which means that someone screwed up. This is not true. But people are already praising this, so giving it criticism isn't any worse. Furthermore, to be honest, at this point we don't even know for certain exactly how much Ryukishi has his hands on this. |
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| Poor Rika :( Right now, I'm leaning towards the no culprit theory right now as I just don't see any motives at all. |
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FireFistYK said: Hulio said: So... Don't get me wrong, I don't mean that the MAL scores are in anyway extremely accurate, but it's "7.09" cause it really isn't that good. Also that edit, are you kidding me? ._. Deen made Higurashi into something it isn't? Do you mean gore? (because that certainly isn't present here) Or do you mean mystery? (which is hardly present here as well) So far so far the composition of GOU has been nigh exactly the same as Deen's Higurashi. Do tell me how this is what Higurashi actually is. EDIT: Most of the VN readers I've seen haven't exactly liked this episode. I really don't have the time to write an essay on what made the "Deen adaptation" a good anime but a mediocre adaptation. My issue with Passione's shitty adaptation is it's not scary in the slightest. Deen could at least do that. If you insist Passione's "does everything better than Deen's", including being scary or creepy and unsettling, I'd say you were on drugs. xD Gou is a friggin comedy at this rate. HERP DERP GOOGLY SOCK PUPPET EYES. |
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Chiibi said: My issue with Passione's shitty adaptation is it's not scary in the slightest. Deen could at least do that. If you insist Passione's "does everything better than Deen's", including being scary or creepy and unsettling, I'd say you were on drugs. xD Gou is a friggin comedy at this rate. HERP DERP GOOGLY SOCK PUPPET EYES. It's pretty clear that Gou doesn't want to be scary at all. It wants to be mindfuck, and it wants to subvert viewer's expectations. That's it |
| Man this episode was depressing, I felt really bad for Rika. Sadly I had to join the people who thinks the animation ruins it. They try too hard to scare you, but the creepy faces come out as funny. |
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PlayMaker22 said: Chiibi said: My issue with Passione's shitty adaptation is it's not scary in the slightest. Deen could at least do that. If you insist Passione's "does everything better than Deen's", including being scary or creepy and unsettling, I'd say you were on drugs. xD Gou is a friggin comedy at this rate. HERP DERP GOOGLY SOCK PUPPET EYES. It's pretty clear that Gou doesn't want to be scary at all. It wants to be mindfuck, and it wants to subvert viewer's expectations. That's it OG Higurashi was a mindfuck as well. But it was better executed.Both the anime and VN. |
PlayMaker22 said: Not really. The original was confusing only because the structure of the series was unknown. The issue of loops was unknown, but otherwise it was pretty straightforward (the only one I'd say was mindfuck was tatarigoroshi-hen). By the way people talk about how the horror scenes from the original were scarier than these from Gou, but they forget the scenes where Shion randomly pisses herself after killing satoko (wow I was really scared), the random zooming for no reason, even for the most useless scenes, the derp faces. How can someone not laugh at those scenes, please? I don't want to defend Gou, but my God, avoid raising the level of the original anime. This whole situation reminds me a lot of the wtc fandom at the time of episode 1 and 2 of umineko kek Who talked about anything being confusing. Mindfuck doesnt equal confusion. Mindfuck is learning that some people were seen walking around when the autopsies show that they were already dead. Mindfuck is learning that anyone Keichi wants dead ends up dying, that stopping Rena still didnt save anyone etc. Mindfucks that are used correctly because we dont know the rules. Confusion is the existence of Gou itself....If you are not a newcomer there is no confusion about the "mysteries", you can make multiple theories even if they are wrong. Why did Rena go L5.There are possible explanations. What happened after Mion left the cell? You can theorize. Why did Ooishi go L5? Same thing. Even with the previous rules no longer being 100% applicable, threorycrafting is possible without believing in some demons or ufo. The only real mystery of Gou is "Why is Rika trapped again". It isnt a detective mystery since it can be any reason and any culprit from the shared universe of Umi+Higu. Worst possibility is that this is indeed a dream she is having. On the other hand newcomers have very little to work with. You want to compare some scenes here and there in OG to every other scene when something happens in Gou? At least the parasites scratching wasnt so bad in the OG and was actually scary and disgusting. Injuries would actually feel painful instead of comedic. |
PlayMaker22 said: Chiibi said: My issue with Passione's shitty adaptation is it's not scary in the slightest. Deen could at least do that. If you insist Passione's "does everything better than Deen's", including being scary or creepy and unsettling, I'd say you were on drugs. xD Gou is a friggin comedy at this rate. HERP DERP GOOGLY SOCK PUPPET EYES. It's pretty clear that Gou doesn't want to be scary at all. It wants to be mindfuck, and it wants to subvert viewer's expectations. That's it Ah, if THAT is its goal then.....well it is doing fine with that. xD I wanted to be scared though sigh As long as it doesn't get boring again I won't complain that much...the Tatatarishi arc was awful...but these two recent episodes of Nekodamashi have been entertaining with the derp |
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PlayMaker22 said: Are you sure you're not mixing up mindfuck with the common confusion?Not really. The original was confusing only because the structure of the series was unknown. The issue of loops was unknown, but otherwise it was pretty straightforward (the only one I'd say was mindfuck was tatarigoroshi-hen). By the way people talk about how the horror scenes from the original were scarier than these from Gou, but they forget the scenes where Shion randomly pisses herself after killing satoko (wow I was really scared), the random zooming for no reason, even for the most useless scenes, the derp faces. How can someone not laugh at those scenes, please? I don't want to defend Gou, but my God, avoid raising the level of the original anime. Can't really call this a mindfuck, it's just a little confusing, and even more so than Deen's. The real Mindfucks take the stuff on a whole new level, not just by not telling you what happens, by having random events or meaningless gore (like this show is doing). Deen Higurashi is proper mindfuckery, as is Serial Experiments Lain for example. If GOU's purpose is to be a "Mindfuck" then it is failing even that. Not scary, not funny, not "mindfuck". "the random zooming for no reason, even for the most useless scenes, the derp faces. How can someone not laugh at those scenes, please?" Also the way you describe Deen sounds a lot like GOU tbh. |
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| these last few episodes were really fun. I hope they can keep it up. |
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| Welp, this episode answered some of my questions... But then I just have more. How did Rika find a satisfying life outside Hinamizawa in only 5 years? Oh, being in an all girls school? I guess I can see that. However, I still have trouble with her wanting to leave Hinamizawa that badly after her good end. She was pretty much worshiped there and had plenty of friends. IDK, maybe after Keiichi and the others left the school and went onto other things in their own lives Rika wanted to do something like that as well. But even then, what about Satoko? Did she come too? 5 loops in 10 episodes? Na, 4 in 1 episode, leaving 1 for the remaining 9 if Rika even sticks to her self-imposed rule. As for the episode itself, I can't say it's something I super enjoyed or thought was that good on its own. However, I am eager for the next, so I guess it's done its job. If it's good or not will depend on what it's leading up to. I do agree that it's kind of a waste for previous episodes to just re-animate previous arcs now that they seem to be leaning into a new story. |
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| I saw episode 14 and the only word that came to mind was trainwreck. The old Higurashi had a certain charm to it, and fairly good writing. I can't say this new one has much going for it. This new one seems to be a bargain bin rip off of ReZero. Ooshi going off the deep end was too hard for me to accept. I'll probably keep watching, but it's score is dropping like a rock. I haven't bothered to watch episode 15 yet, I'll get to it eventually. I'm very close to hate-watching it, out of pure stubbornness. |
NoviSun said: Haven't seen ep 15 yet?I saw episode 14 and the only word that came to mind was trainwreck. The old Higurashi had a certain charm to it, and fairly good writing. I can't say this new one has much going for it. This new one seems to be a bargain bin rip off of ReZero. Ooshi going off the deep end was too hard for me to accept. I'll probably keep watching, but it's score is dropping like a rock. I haven't bothered to watch episode 15 yet, I'll get to it eventually. I'm very close to hate-watching it, out of pure stubbornness. Enjoy ._. |
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| ack. It's hard to drop this show because i liked the original so much, but this is nothing like the original. It's so dead inside, so transparent and joyless. There's no horror, there's no mystery, and they even failed to make you feel sad torturing a little girl because it's so lacking in emotion and storytelling. You can't just show Rika getting killed over and over and expect any emotion from your audience. Because you didn't invest any time in actually displaying or building a tragedy, you're just like "look she died again, isn't that sad?" No, it isn't, because you didn't let us get invested in any character or story or anything. This show is incompetent, but not hilariously so. There's no earnestness in its bumbling, it's just dutifully going through with its obligations. It's not a fun watch, the show is dead inside. The director doesn't care, the animators don't care, the artists don't care, the creator cares the least. The audience is basically rika, except instead of the audience saying, "just put us out of our misery", we're saying, "fuck gacha games. I can't believe this was all in service of being an anime tie-in to legal gambling". This was the absolute worst episode yet. It didn't need to happen. We didn't need to see any of this garbage, especially when there's no emotional weight to anything that happened in it. This is the filler shit I've ever seen. I don't need to see Rika counting down on her fingers, that's almost an insult, treating the audience like idiots. This is supposed to be a tragedy, not a fucking Sesame Street lesson. You can't snap your fingers underwater or after getting your head cut off, and even if you could, that's so thematically wrong. What the fuck is the writer/director DOING? Personally I'm rooting for a decisively bad ending where Rika either suffers forever, or Hanyu is pulled into the real world and murdered, or the entire world gets infected by Hinamizawa syndrome, because at least then it would be interesting and different. But this show cannot be salvaged for me. And going by the votes, for a lot of other people too. |
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| The only saving grace of this adaptation is this new content with Rika. As an OG fan, I want to know what will become of this final loop, and what the future holds for Rika. It’s the only reason I’m watching this now. Everything else about Gou has been such a letdown. From the comically bad gore scenes, to the direction, to the inferior character design, to the poor pacing — this story portion, with Rika’s fate and where it will all lead to, is the only thing keeping me going. Such a shame, but it’s the truth. |
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PlayMaker22 said: ssjokg said: Who talked about anything being confusing. Mindfuck doesnt equal confusion. Mindfuck is learning that some people were seen walking around when the autopsies show that they were already dead. Mindfuck is learning that anyone Keichi wants dead ends up dying, that stopping Rena still didnt save anyone etc. Mindfucks that are used correctly because we dont know the rules. Confusion is the existence of Gou itself....If you are not a newcomer there is no confusion about the "mysteries", you can make multiple theories even if they are wrong. Why did Rena go L5.There are possible explanations. What happened after Mion left the cell? You can theorize. Why did Ooishi go L5? Same thing. Even with the previous rules no longer being 100% applicable, threorycrafting is possible without believing in some demons or ufo. The only real mystery of Gou is "Why is Rika trapped again". It isnt a detective mystery since it can be any reason and any culprit from the shared universe of Umi+Higu. Worst possibility is that this is indeed a dream she is having. On the other hand newcomers have very little to work with. You want to compare some scenes here and there in OG to every other scene when something happens in Gou? At least the parasites scratching wasnt so bad in the OG and was actually scary and disgusting. Injuries would actually feel painful instead of comedic. Definition of mindfuck: Something that intentionally destabilizes, confuses or manipulates the mind of another person. So yeah confusion is a necessary condition to be mindfuck. > Mindfuck is learning that anyone Keichi wants dead ends up dying, you just made me remember the most nonsense thing about higurashi, I had completely removed it, damn >that stopping Rena still didnt save anyone no(?) >Confusion is the existence of Gou itself....If you are not a newcomer there is no confusion about the "mysteries", you can make multiple theories even if they are wrong. Why did Rena go L5.There are possible explanations. What happened after Mion left the cell? You can theorize. Why did Ooishi go L5? Same thing. Even with the previous rules no longer being 100% applicable, threorycrafting is possible without believing in some demons or ufo. Even Takano being alive when she is dead can be can be theorized, I don't understand what your point is. Everything can be theorized so what? Does mindfuck only exist when things logically don't make sense or the supernatural comes on the scene? I repeat, I don't want to defend gou. I agree that the gore scenes were ridiculous but I think there is a sense behind that. A huge mistake the original made was to use a disease with very specific symptoms as a solution to most of Higurashi's mysteries, which Umineko also makes fun of. In Gou having characters who behave a little "cringe" reinforces a lot the idea that these people are not healthy at all. There may have been a retcon because the characters deliberately behave in a much more exaggerated way unlike the original where the characters still retained enough mental clarity to devise plans. On the mystery side I want to wait for the solution (if there will be). I really expect that once we understand everything we will be able to see those clues that we have not been able to notice before. Hulio said: Are you sure you're not mixing up mindfuck with the common confusion? Can't really call this a mindfuck, it's just a little confusing, and even more so than Deen's. The real Mindfucks take the stuff on a whole new level, not just by not telling you what happens, by having random events or meaningless gore (like this show is doing). It's quite funny because the "mindfuck" scenes that the guy above listed were ALL said by one character without even being shown. So yeah the way you describe Gou sounds a lot like Deen anime :) Yes use dictionary to play with semantics. Whitewashing also means ignoring the flaws and other negatives traits to portray someone is a positive way but now is used for something completely different. Mindfuck isnt just confusion for the sake of it. >you just made me remember the most nonsense thing about higurashi, I had completely removed it, damn Why would a red herring that could very well be the truth back when we didnt have all the answers be nonsense? >no(?) Stopping Rena didnt stop Rika's murder or the GHD and she moved on to a new fragment. Are you sure you know what was happening in the OG? >Even Takano being alive when she is dead can be can be theorized, I don't understand what your point is. Everything can be theorized so what? Does mindfuck only exist when things logically don't make sense or the supernatural comes on the scene? When you have a seemingly normal village where the demons take over people, the dead walk around, corpses disappear, with no explanation then yes it is mindfuck. What can you theorize about Takano when in very next scene has a dead Mion(Shion) attacking Keichi? We didnt have enough clues yet but everything was within boundaries that each previous arc was establishing. It was a mindfuck because shit was escalating. It wasnt confusing because we were lead to assume something supernatural was in some way the cause. Gou now ignores what the OG established: reasons to go L5, timelines, fatality of injures. From the pov of an old fan, characters in Gou go L5 because they have to for the story. We dont see the triggers or even have them implied. We know Rena is doing it for her dad but why, what happened. Did Teppei's gf do her thing? Maybe. But all we know she may just think the "curse" is out to get them. And in the end, lets see it this way. Compare the scores of OG, Kai and Rei with Gou. Why did people find the old ones great and this a waste of time? Why do people think that the old ones had some charm? Even if I suck at explaining why and you can bring a thousand scenes of "why they are the same in this and that", it is very clear that Deen did something right, at the very least they did something that made non VN readers love(on in Rei's case accept it) those series. Higurashi: #594, 7.96 Higurashi Kai: #271 8.24 Higurashi Rei: #1760 7.45 Higurashi Gou: #3303 7.08 Only Kira and Outbreak are below it but that isnt reason to celebrate. |
| This was so painful to watch... RIP Rika... NOW THIS IS THE HIGURASHI THAT I LOVE. Torture, murder, suicide, etc. Really makes me sympathize for Rika... nipaa~ |
| Akasaka should have went to the hot springs with his wife.. instead of staying with his favorite loli. |
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chitchawa said: Tomm01p said: ya know just because someone writes the script doesn't mean they are responsible for the horrible execution (game of thrones s8). ryu would be too busy writing the current when they cry series to be apart of this animeI have no clue how can any Higurashi fans be happy with this show. Not only it is absolute garbage in terms of quality, it also breaks numerous things the original story set up. These last two seasons were seriously just legendary VN writers spitting on their legacy for the sake of easy anime money. that said, as a whole this is a pretty bad. the directing is awful R07 isn't responsible for the awful direction and general quality of the animations, but he's certainly responsible for writing 13 episodes of nothing burger and entertaining the idea of a sequel of a story that was one and done and didn't need a sequel. Let's be honest here, this could have been a straight remake for the new generation and both old fans and new fans would have enjoyed it more, since DEEN S1 anime was more of a summary of the original novel than anything. Honestly, I don't even understand what Gou is trying to SAY. The original asked you "Is the culprit human or the curse" and disseminated various clues as well touched various subjects such as child abuse, senseless violence and paranoia (And this is only the question arcs, Kai's themes are clear cut) Like, how is Gou even going to end without crapping on the original? If you give the story a happy ending, why did you take this girl's happy ending away just to give it back to her after putting her through this inhumane, senseless torture? If you give her a bad ending, you just take a fat, big shit on Kai and Rei's themes rending them completely meaninglessness to the point they may as well not exist. |
Jin_uzukiJan 16, 2021 12:56 PM
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| I don't see a happy ending for this one. Last time there were enough variables to get a hold of and solve the equation but now it seems like everyone can go mad. Too many variables, man... |
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FragOutFire said: ack. It's hard to drop this show because i liked the original so much, but this is nothing like the original. It's so dead inside, so transparent and joyless. There's no horror, there's no mystery, and they even failed to make you feel sad torturing a little girl because it's so lacking in emotion and storytelling. You can't just show Rika getting killed over and over and expect any emotion from your audience. Because you didn't invest any time in actually displaying or building a tragedy, you're just like "look she died again, isn't that sad?" No, it isn't, because you didn't let us get invested in any character or story or anything. This show is incompetent, but not hilariously so. There's no earnestness in its bumbling, it's just dutifully going through with its obligations. It's not a fun watch, the show is dead inside. The director doesn't care, the animators don't care, the artists don't care, the creator cares the least. The audience is basically rika, except instead of the audience saying, "just put us out of our misery", we're saying, "fuck gacha games. I can't believe this was all in service of being an anime tie-in to legal gambling". This was the absolute worst episode yet. It didn't need to happen. We didn't need to see any of this garbage, especially when there's no emotional weight to anything that happened in it. This is the filler shit I've ever seen. I don't need to see Rika counting down on her fingers, that's almost an insult, treating the audience like idiots. This is supposed to be a tragedy, not a fucking Sesame Street lesson. You can't snap your fingers underwater or after getting your head cut off, and even if you could, that's so thematically wrong. What the fuck is the writer/director DOING? Personally I'm rooting for a decisively bad ending where Rika either suffers forever, or Hanyu is pulled into the real world and murdered, or the entire world gets infected by Hinamizawa syndrome, because at least then it would be interesting and different. But this show cannot be salvaged for me. And going by the votes, for a lot of other people too. Yep, i feel exactly the same way. Worst episode of Gou by far and it's been a struggle for me to watch this. I just want to know WHY this loop is happening again really. Just want a reason for why Rika and the audience have to suffer through this garbage lol. |
>How would Gou be confused People here seem to be incapable of understanding that I am not calling Gou confusing.....moving on. >not that nonsense that is explicitly based on random coincidences. In hindsight yes. Back then it could very well be the truth. >What changes between this and Tataridamashi-hen in terms of mindfuck? The problem is what DOESNT change. It is the same story as the Minagoroshi anime arc but dumbed down ever further with a different bad end. So we had 5 pointless episodes. The only way the ending would be at least decent would have been for Satoko to be the killer, faking most of her abuse, a huge punch to the gut for the viewers that were hoping for her salvation. It would make her character irredeemable but at least it would have some impact. Oosihi going L5 means nothing for most viewers other than raising some eyebrows. >This is why I call it mindfuck. Okay, but in tis case it is a negative mindfuck. I wanted the story to surprise me with powerful moments brutal, sad or happy. Rika failing the first 4 loops isnt a surprise, we knew that the moment she said it in the storage shed.The speedrun is the surprise. The fact that this goes against Higurashi's principles, further explored in Umineko, isnt a mindfuck I appreciate. |
Jin_uzuki said: I can't decide if this was meant to be funny due to Passione's general terrible direction/animations/style (The Akasaka scene in particular had me burst laughing irl) or just depressing due to the total pointless torture of a character who finished her character arc years ago. I kinda laughed at the jump cut when Akasaka was killing Rika. By the end of it, I watched the ED in pure horror. This episode was pretty hard to watch. |
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CptJackSparrow said: irrfan1378595783 said: This ep was excellent. I wonder why the score is going down. Because it is completely failing on the horror aspect. The artstyle dosnt suit the horror aspect of higurashi which is what made the series so great. I mean who tf could take that scene with akasaka for serious? That (unfortunately) was just cringe. I had to lol about the failed attempt of passione to express akasakas mental state. It wasnt creepy nor did i feel rikas despair. Higurashi = Best all time anime but this version unfortunately is just a poor copy. However since its higurashi i like it. Kinda. I hope this will overcome and gain some score. Yeah maybe the art style not good but personally I did like both of the versions. I hope it will not get rejected by fans. I really wanna see the second season reboot as well |
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| The Rika death montage was both silly and disturbing to me. I think they did a good job with Rika's facial expressions during those scenes, not so much the L5 inidividuals. Akasaka could not have been less intimidating lol. I kinda liked it, but it's also disappointing that they just speedran through 4 loops without expanding on the stories, causes etc. I was thinking to myself earlier "I guess they could fit 5 loops into the rest of this series.." and I still think they could've without doing this. Loved the sheer hopelessness and nihilism by the end of it though. I know nothing about Umineko so I hope that once they (presumably) start implementing its plot more into Gou the story doesn't become too convoluted if you're not familiar with that series. |
| F for Rika. Damn. That must have been soul-shattering for her. |
sarazanmai said: Let's all just forget and enjoy how the OG had an atmosphere and took itself seriously :) The ED of Gou is the only thing that resembles the OG's atmosphere. The biggest loser of this for me is Tamura Yukari. Her performance as this Rika is wasted because of literally everything else in this series. |
kagmole said: MomoSinX said: I did not expect that they would speedrun some of the "last" rounds so fast but it was unexpectedly amazing and hilarious to me. Poor Rika just can't get a break. lmao Excuse my horrible editing skills but I just had to: You just made the episode worth it for me lol. I hope they will explain how a teenager with a bat managed to wipe out a whole restaurant. Otherwise I agree with most people here: those "itchy itchy itchy" spams and death speedruns are too much. And now this anime is everything but newcomer friendly; why bother with the first arcs that were almost the same than OG, and not expanding this episode into multiple arcs? I did like the "happy Rika" to "shocked Rika" transition with Akasaka (did not expect that), even though I am sad her savior turned out to speedrun L5. We shall see where we are going on the next episodes. Agreed, remaking the first 3 arcs of the OG with a slightly different outcome felt completely wasted. These speedrunned new routes could have been pretty amazing instead if they got expanded. Heck, I don't even think that the new one with K1 in the cafe was a dead end. Rika just rage quit and told him to kill her... I think he could have been tricked to get out and be owned by the cops (like saying the cure is outside or something). Sure it wouldn't have been a route where everyone lives but she could have made it at least. xD |
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