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Fever_Dream said: I don't even mind some occasional fanservice and people having their waifus but fate shouldn't just be a vehicle to carry the kind of superficial elements you can find in any harem series. The VN had sexual themes and cute girls but that's not the reason people enjoyed it so much. Fate used to be more than just an excuse to genderflip historical figures. FSN had 1/8 gender swapped, F/A has 3/15, what are you on about? This right here is the annoying thing, the genderswapps arent even an issue in F/A, but you complain about it as if they are. Mordred is an Extension of Arturia, Frankenstein is only a retelling seeing as how there literally is a female Frankenstein's monster, and Jack (maybe the only real issue) is offset by F/SF Jack. And no one complains about how Medusa is dressed so they better not complain about how Jack is dressed. F/A isn't a departure from what the FATE franchise is about. |
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| A female Frankenstein ('s monster) isn't out of nowhere considering the bride of Frankenstein already existed in fiction. |
Ketuekigami said: FSN had 1/8 gender swapped, F/A has 3/15, what are you on about? This right here is the annoying thing, the genderswapps arent even an issue in F/A, but you complain about it as if they are. Mordred is an Extension of Arturia, Frankenstein is only a retelling seeing as how there literally is a female Frankenstein's monster, and Jack (maybe the only real issue) is offset by F/SF Jack. F/A isn't a departure from what the FATE franchise is about. FSN had one genderflipped character, which was a big part of her character, explored in sabers backstory and clearly an anomaly. The issue isn't THAT there are genderflips, it's WHY there are genderflips. Ask yourself, did the writer genderflip these characters because there's some story to be explored there or did he do it to add more waifus to the pile? He cares more about waifus than the setting, which is why the assassins are a sexy witch and a genderflip loli despite the rule in the original grail war system that only Hassan-i-Sabbah may be summoned as a true assassin. |
Fever_Dream said: Ketuekigami said: FSN had 1/8 gender swapped, F/A has 3/15, what are you on about? This right here is the annoying thing, the genderswapps arent even an issue in F/A, but you complain about it as if they are. Mordred is an Extension of Arturia, Frankenstein is only a retelling seeing as how there literally is a female Frankenstein's monster, and Jack (maybe the only real issue) is offset by F/SF Jack. F/A isn't a departure from what the FATE franchise is about. FSN had one genderflipped character, which was a big part of her character, explored in sabers backstory and clearly an anomaly. The issue isn't THAT there are genderflips, it's WHY there are genderflips. Ask yourself, did the writer genderflip these characters because there's some story to be explored there or did he do it to add more waifus to the pile? He cares more about waifus than the setting, which is why the assassins are a sexy witch and a genderflip loli despite the rule in the original grail war system that only Hassan-i-Sabbah may be summoned as a true assassin. To be fair, rules were break in FSN too and a good looking male assassin was also summoned instead of Hassan. Assassin of Red look fine, nothing too outrageous. Assassin of Black, I agree that fan service must have weight in her design. |
GuilekJul 9, 2017 5:15 PM
Guilek said: Fever_Dream said: FSN had one genderflipped character, which was a big part of her character, explored in sabers backstory and clearly an anomaly. The issue isn't THAT there are genderflips, it's WHY there are genderflips. Ask yourself, did the writer genderflip these characters because there's some story to be explored there or did he do it to add more waifus to the pile? He cares more about waifus than the setting, which is why the assassins are a sexy witch and a genderflip loli despite the rule in the original grail war system that only Hassan-i-Sabbah may be summoned as a true assassin. To be fair, rules were break in FSN too and a good looking male assassin was also summoned instead of Hassan. Assassin of Red look fine, nothing to outrageous. Assassin of Black, I agree that fan service must have weight in her design. True, it is entirely possible that they have a valid explanation for the assassins like they had in FSN. I was merely using them in this case to make a point about the authors intent. You can certainly write a decent reason why things are the way they are but that's justifying out-of-universe bullshit with in-universe excuses. |
Fever_DreamJul 9, 2017 5:03 PM
| Mordred being Mordred... Next episode, Karma vs Jeanne D'Arc! I'm feeling excited!!! |
| So... is it going to annoy anyone else that Siegfried is the same voice as Archer from Stay/Night? unless there is some reason for it, could they really not get someone else? |
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| Well this is the first fate series that I watched and I really enjoyed this episode. Love the OP too, EGOIST really done a great job on it. |
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| A-1 really try their best eh? great animation in this episode too, and the sound and music are fantastic! glad that we can see Jeanne past, even if it's just for a min. Astolfo so adorable, her energetic personality remind me of Rider from Fate/Zero. her master is a pervert tho. Black Frankenstein, i can't believe she's a Berserker. cute, and strong! is that Mjolnir?! the Red Frankenstein is the real Frankenstein from the look he had. Red Saber, Mordred has a interesting character and so strong! as expected from Saber class. and she kinda look sexy. Black Saber is a Dragon Slayer, wow. but unfortunately his master is ugh. Jack the Ripper is a child?! Shirou Kotomine, hmm at least he has Kotomine's personality, you know stabbing his comrades behind their back. i thought his servant is Caster, she really look like a Caster. she has Caster image and Caster aura around her (lol). i hope to get too see Jeanne in action in the next episode! great episode, really enjoyed it a lot! |
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eso18 said: Nice second episode. I just hope that we stay with Red saber pair as the protagonists but seeing the cover I am afraid that it will not be so. Jeane D. Arc seems like cool character but I can smell THE AVERAGE USELESS MC FROM AFAR. That guy better stays in that water tank forever. (sadly spoilers in trailers and opening prove otherwise) Sadly you are right. |
eso18 said: Nice second episode. I just hope that we stay with Red saber pair as the protagonists but seeing the cover I am afraid that it will not be so. Jeane D. Arc seems like cool character but I can smell THE AVERAGE USELESS MC FROM AFAR. That guy better stays in that water tank forever. (sadly spoilers in trailers and opening prove otherwise) I think you're getting carried away by any fake spoiler or meme based on ''hater'' said. https://twitter.com/FateApocryphaTV/status/881178852709380100 I hope this will clear up your question sufficiently. |
Anon1566Jul 9, 2017 8:32 PM
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| OMFG I didnt want another fcking serial killer duo like in Fate Zero. But dam I actually like some of the Black Faction ppl even tho they seem like bad ppl and Red seems to have bad ppl too |
| triggered why couldn't we get someone like King Hassan instead we get a loli ,not really but i just like his design ;-; the plot so far really just feels like people are gonna fight a lot because why the hell not without a lot of substance but that can change with this being a 2 cour. still liking Mordred as new Saber compared the dozens of other ones. |
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| This show is extremely confusing haha, but Saber was great! |
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| What to say? Hmm Just amazing, this anime level is wonderfully high... Clearly a top class this season By the way, I had fun with all Mordred's action, she fought like madman lol |
| Life isn't as fun and easy as anime. Watch anime to bring that fun!! |
| so Jeanne is a ruler-class servant eh, i wonder what that means Mordred is awesome! |
| Definitely an impressive episode! It was nice getting introduced to the other servants so early on...but I guess they need to be more speedy with it since there are double the master/servant duos this time around. It's a plus to see the relationships between the characters already growing- some characters just click, and some really don't. I freakin' love the bromance between Mordred and Kairi though, and I'm sensing a bit of chemistry between Fiore & Chiron...or I could just be imagining it. I'm probably imagining it. Alfonso's master is...fitting for the title actually. Seeing as though she seems to be into some kind of freaky stuff. And, I ain't fooled. I totally see Alfonso's flat chest and curveless body. I smell a trap!! Also, immediate love for Shakespeare lmao Along with Mordred, Chiron and Alfonso, I think I like them most so far ^-^ Interesting that Vlad has been summoned as a servant by the Darnic, and yet he is effectively the leader- we've not really had that dynamic yet as far as I can remember...aside from maybe Waver/Rider in Fate/Zero. Anyway, trouble is already brewing within the factions, and Jeanne is not a popular figure at all. Archer Shirou clearly doesn't want Ruler snooping about in his business, it seems. I can't wait to find out who the Gilgamesh looking dude is!! The only gripe I have at the moment is the fact that the fansub I was watching was godawful...I think I got the gist of what was going on but I'll prolly try to rewatch the ep with different subs lol |
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| Well this looks like it might actually be sort of enjoyable. Your typical sleep-inducing Fate exposition aside, I like the fact that this show doesn't take itself too seriously and isn't afraid to go all out with its goofy hero designs since swooning over waifus and husbandos is basically what this franchise is all about anyway. Who knew that having hilariously gender-bended versions of historical legends bounce off each other would be more entertaining to watch than some generic man-child and his son fighting for their pretentiously presented ideals. There's nothing more painful than going through an anime that takes itself seriously while hammering the viewer with a crapton of pseudo-philosoophy bs, thinking it's doing something profound when it really has nothing to say. Thankfully, this one doesn't seem to be going into that direction just yet, unlike Ufotable's non-sensical Fate shows. As long as this doesn't shifts the focus and genre halfway through for no reason, this could end up being some decent popcorn entertainment. |
| Some ummm... pretty interesting people we got here... a whole lot of interesting people... I like Frankenstein though. |
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| Nice episode. OP song & visuals are great. ED song is not bad as well. Mordred is one feisty servant. Just don't call her a woman. Cool to see the other servants on both teams. Kuro no Assassin is crazy for a little girl. I like Shishigou & Mordred as partners. They destroyed those Golems & Homunculus. That was awesome to see. Would be cool if they won. Shirou planning to get rid of Ruler. |
Santoryu_XBurnerJul 9, 2017 9:36 PM
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Mordred was fucking awesome...and voiced by Miyuki Sawashiro? Cant get better than that. Semiramis seems like an interesting character too, aside from the hot body. Seems like priest Shirou is kind of giving off villainous vibes. Like he has an agenda of his own. Hell, makes the Black team people introduced so far seem not half bad. Though, anyone who wants to have precious angel waifu Jeanne eliminated is already a motherfucking dirtbag in my book. ^This is what happens when I know next to nothing about the Fate franchise and Jeanne was my first 5* pull out of my first quartz roll. |
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Theorder14 said: joshua10red said: Nice episode.. Saber sure is strong.. can't wait to see next ep..But the background doesn't look like Romania hahahahaha ya sure? a guy made a comparasion in prev page. WTF??? i need to visit Romania more hahahaha |
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FlamingMangos said: but that doesn't tell Mordred's identity, Since in the LN, cronoSpirA said: yeah, their convo was off putting, necessary details were omitted, so it looks like the scene jump uncomfortably to Mordred knowing already Kairi as Necromancer and Kairi already knowing Morderd's identity. Well that's just how felt on it. Well, Mordred is a powerful special being and just judging from the location she was summoned. I would think she could easily tell. Servants and masters are connected after all to the point that a servant can tell how powerful their master is. and plus, mordred took off her helmet which is her way of hiding her idenity and she showed it to Kari. It's only obvious he would know who she is. |
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Fai said: that's my problem on it, it made the scene a rushed show don't tell leaving the details.cronoSpirA said: yeah, their convo was off putting, necessary details were omitted, so it looks like the scene jump uncomfortably to Mordred knowing already Kairi as Necromancer and Kairi already knowing Morderd's identity. Well that's just how felt on it. Mordred already revealed her identity last episode tho? |
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cronoSpirA said: Fai said: that's my problem on it, it made the scene a rushed show don't tell leaving the details.Mordred already revealed her identity last episode tho? It fits more than what was in source material. Mordred would 100% do the total opposite of his father. |
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| Well, I'm officially a Mordred fan. Saber with a 'bad girl attitude' upgrade... Not really sold on Shakespeare as a servant though, I don't really see it since he never dabbled in magic as far as I now. If you're looking for unlikely casters you could make a better case for Issac Newton... That said, I've learned to to" just go with it" when it comes to Type Moon... |
xShigarakix said: saber in zero was awful "muh honor" one of the main reason saberfags doesn't like her in zero at all, I'm a fan of Saber and I prefer her portrayal in Zero than in FSN because she acts like a bloody knight and king instead of a girl in an armor. This "Muh Honor" you mock is because she's the bloody Kight-King, you know, not a cosplaying waifu. If she doesn't act chivalrous (and she didn't in FSN - where is her courtesy to women that a knight should have?), then might as well not be a knight. Don't get me wrong, Nasu was at times on point on her characterization and I appreciate her backstory, but sometimes he forced her to be something she wasn't to fulfill the neckbeard waifu-pandering fantasy quota and he's self-aware of it. Garden of Avalon Saber acts like she did in Fate/Zero, too. UBW anime has her act more like her Zero anime characterization than her st-stammering waifu VN scenes, thankfully. |
| Animation during fights went down... oh well. Still an interesting episode. |
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| Oh yes. I'm now really glad I pre-ordered that Mordred figure. (^.^') UTW having a little bit more fun with their translations than I'd like notwithstanding. ("I won't be able to control myself." > "I'll be using your throat as a sheath." URGH. The cringe.) One quick question though for those more well-versed in the lore than I am. Why is this 7v7 thing necessary if the winning side will have to fight a war of their own? That is something I don't get... |
Thess said: I'm a fan of Saber and I prefer her portrayal in Zero than in FSN because she acts like a bloody knight and king instead of a girl in an armor. Except that she literallY was A girl in armor, who was literally denied her agency and freedom in order to be a tool rule a country. She acts like she does in FZ because of two reasons: 1) Kiritsugu is unlikeable asshole that treats her like shit. 2) Urobuchi does not know how to write Saber so he just used her as tool to shit on noble idealism. Urobuchi literally admitted that he has no idea how to write Saber. This "Muh Honor" you mock is because she's the bloody Kight-King, you know, not a cosplaying waifu. If she doesn't act chivalrous (and she didn't in FSN - where is her courtesy to women that a knight should have?), then might as well not be a knight. Except that the very point of her is that she IS NOT obsessed about honor. FSN is literally the FIRST TIME she ever got to actually goof around and be treated like a human being instead of a machine or a tool. She got a chance to rethink the meaning of her life. She got to be human. What's wrong with her actually acting upon things she was never allowed to have? To enjoy food, to be lazy, to show human emotion? And again her behavior in FSN is no different from her behavior around Irisviel. UBW anime has her act more like her Zero anime characterization than her st-stammering waifu VN scenes, thankfully. You are basically proving you have not read the VN then because most of those scenes are from VN. If anything Ufo literally waifu'd it up far more than it was in VN. |
AhenshihaelJul 10, 2017 12:58 AM
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If anything Ufo literally waifu'd it up far more than it was in VN. Lol. They made her Shirou's mother figure. Are you this desperate to prove Nasu didn't make her a waifu? In his own words: Saber [Servant] A symbol-like existence. Without her, Fate wouldn't be Fate. However, in Fate/Zero her kingly shell is still intact, and she plays the role of a hero instead of a heroine. Fate/Zero Saber is the Kingly one. These are Nasu's words and opinion, not mine. Trumps all you have to say with your wall of text, huh? |
ThessJul 10, 2017 1:44 AM
| What's up with Astolfo's master licking him all over? This was a great episode. Most of the servants have been revealed now, only two or three from the Red Faction are left. I knew that there were Servants from Indian mythology too but I didn't expect Karna to appear. If he's here then I'm sure Arjuna will make an appearance too, not in Apocrypha but maybe in some other fate anime. I've already seen Arjuna in an AMV before. OP song by Egoist was great. But the song doesn't match the visuals. ED was decent. Looking forward to the next episode. |
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Thess said: Saber [Servant] A symbol-like existence. Without her, Fate wouldn't be Fate. However, in Fate/Zero her kingly shell is still intact, and she plays the role of a hero instead of a heroine. Fate/Zero Saber is the Kingly one. These are Nasu's words and opinion, not mine. Trumps all you have to say with your wall of text, huh? Amazing how you countered so many paragraphs with a single quote. Saber’s role and development in fate route is just embarrassing when compared with her zero self. |
J1m1sJul 10, 2017 4:17 AM
| Always good to come check out a fate thread on MAL to laugh at (and get annoyed by) how hypocritical and unreasonable Fai is. Yes lets complain about fanservice in Fate franchise, while raving about how Prillya, which puts eromanga to shame in loli fanservice, is greatest Fate related work in history, pretending it's not pandering to otakus if not more so. That's just delusional. Apparently he also understands Fate characters like Saber better than Nasu or Urobuchi, cuz that makes sense. Sorry i dont visit often, so i get kinda triggered when i do. |
J1m1s said: Thess said: Fate/Zero Saber is the Kingly one. These are Nasu's words and opinion, not mine. Trumps all you have to say with your wall of text, huh? Amazing how you countered so many paragraphs with a single quote. Saber’s role and development in fate route is just embarrassing when compared with her zero self. Well, I still like FSN Saber, but I prefer FZ and Garden of Avalon one because I prefer her king and chivalrous heroic aspect over the waifu one. FSN Saber was a broken shell of herself after what happened in her life and Zero (Do I need to quote Nasu over this? Because this should be obvious, right?) with some writing issues based on Nasu's insecurities about the character impact. That honor and knightly attitude were important and ingrained to her, it wasn't "annoying" and it shouldn't be trivialized. My original point that not all her fanbase favor her FSN self over the Zero one. They prefer FSN one? More power to them, I don't, and they shouldn't think they have authority over people's personal tastes. |
| So many characters! The blonde Saber chick and her master are an awesome combination! |
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| the sub for this episode is just bad (gogoanime, chia anime) . is there any other subs out there? |
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