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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Takeru definitely has the mindset of a soldier, at least for his country. Also seems like he has a tactical mind for dealing with the BETAs. He and Meiya has perhaps the most complex relationship in the show so far. I think this episode showed more of his potential as a character and valuable asset. |
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| From now on, I'm gonna analyze this as an anime-only, which this show IS NOT newcomer friendly at all. Feel free to @ me for VN fans, because this shitty adaptation will not change my mind that this is clearly an Umineko/Tsukihime situation. Well, the opening is definitely creepy. At least the English is somewhat decent. Takeru is well inducted into the group, but the relationship with the others like Kasumi still definitely needs some time getting used to. Kasumi and Sumika is part of Alternative IV, and of course, the concept of alternating worlds will be alien to those not invested in the Muv-Luv universe. More training for the team, and I suppose that'd be so to keep them in shape of passing the CCSE quicker than fast. Off to fight the BETA, and Takeru's self-righteous personality may rub off the wrong way with vice-commander Yuuko, but she trusts what he's doing. That took a minute or 2 of pure strategy and PowerPoint-like presentation, yikes. The character models this episode seem super stiff with the garbage animation, and you can tell that they're rushing events back and forth without rhyme or reason...which 3 episodes in, really breaks more than make it, even for hardcore fans. Spelling out the anomalies in this one feels better. |
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| I don't even need to comment in detail about the rough pacing and skimming, poor visuals and directing, PowerPoint presentation-like animation, and sloppy storytelling in this episode, it's glaringly obvious throughout the whole episode. |
KANLen09 said: From now on, I'm gonna analyze this as an anime-only, which this show IS NOT newcomer friendly at all. Feel free to @ me for VN fans, because this shitty adaptation will not change my mind that this is clearly an Umineko/Tsukihime situation. By this point, as much as it pains me to say it, the way this series has been adapted so far actually makes Tsukihime look competent as an anime. Tsukihime's rushed in the anime and feels soulless visually and with the story, but at least it felt way more cohesive to me than this, wasn't terribly drawn, and you actually get the gist of why Arcueid's potentially a really good character there. Here, there's really nothing going at all for it on a positive side. |
| Lmao they skipped the whole CCSE, it's too bad because i was actually enjoying the episode despite the obvious issues |
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| I'm just for the at this point. I want to see what amazing adptation will it be |
| On one hand, skipping some of the less important content was probably the right decision given the time constraints... but on the other hand, rushing through certain interactions like the talk in the cafeteria was definitely not good. And the decision to skip the whole island test in particular was atrocious. I believe it should still be easy for anime only viewers to see glimpses of several intriguing elements and great ideas that made the VN stand far above your average mecha series. I do say "glimpses" because potential alone doesn't cut it - it still needs to be realized with proper build up, development, pacing, etc. If I hadn't read the source material, I'd totally get started after this ep. EDIT: Oh yeah, I forgot to mention it... but yeah, the facial expressions failed big time when it came to showing character emotion. |
FlamepriesTOct 20, 2021 10:59 AM
| Now I'm actually worried that they do intend to fit the whole Alternative into one cour, which would indeed make it one of the worst adaptations in history smh. They didn't even do the opening sequence right. The original English voice acting in the 2017 version of Alternative had so much more emotion and tension than this rushed and confusing stuff (Are the Bravo Leader and the Command Post voiced by the same guy or what?) Also since when did Yuuko talk in such a straightforward way to Takeru from the get go...... I clearly don't remember her summarizing Alternative IV like this in the VN. OK, this might be a desperate attempt by the script writer to keep the anime-only audience by leaving some obvious hints relatively "early" into the story, but this will make the surprises and hits that are to come later so much weaker. |
| When the season is full of isekai trash and second season of trash LN, that even this somewhat bad anime is good and refreshing to watch. |
BlichoBoyOct 20, 2021 11:34 AM
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| bro this fucking pacing hahahahahaha actually will be hilarious if they do the whole VN in 12 episodes. ive gone past caring, lets see how bad it can get |
| Despite the loud criticism from the VN fans I’ve enjoyed the first few episodes of this tremendously and it’s accomplished the task of getting people into the VNs because after my GRE tomorrow, I plan to start reading it. |
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| I've never read/seen the source material but I feel completely lost sometimes when watching this. I feel like they jump from one set piece to another and like they skip a whole lot of in between dialogue and interactions. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| No way they skipped Takeru thinking Yoroi was a guy part....... |
 "Only one with the courage to shoulder the burden of their own fate can be called a hero.." |
| Better than episode 2, but still a lot to be desired. The animation looked to have improved a little bit (at least now, still images look decent), but any scene with a lot of character movements still looks like a mess (the scene of Takeru standing up and walking away from the table at the cafeteria looks terrible). The pacing continues to be confusing and very questionable. Again, I really don't know why they bothered with the anime original episode 1, if they were going to give us this jumbled mess. |
| Okay, this episode somehow convinced me that this adaptation mostly follows not the vn but the manga, like the scene when the appears, it's mostly similar with what happened in the manga. Also both episode 2 and 3 covers all of volume 1. If it's true, and if they planning to cover each volume into 2 episode, then 12 episode will covers up to volume 6, right when the ends. Well, at least I hope that's the case. |
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| Well as a VN reader i definitely feel like im watching a very quick summary of Alternative in animation. F to the that died off screen during that BETA attack. Great to hear an arranged Sunny Days VN OST in the anime (first PX scene). Marinate1016 said: Despite the loud criticism from the VN fans I’ve enjoyed the first few episodes of this tremendously and it’s accomplished the task of getting people into the VNs because after my GRE tomorrow, I plan to start reading it. I wish you a great time reading it! Just beware of the PTSD This anime getting people interested into the source and franchise, is the best thing that can happen. |
igundamOct 20, 2021 1:40 PM
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KANLen09 said: From now on, I'm gonna analyze this as an anime-only, which this show IS NOT newcomer friendly at all. Feel free to @ me for VN fans, because this shitty adaptation will not change my mind that this is clearly an Umineko/Tsukihime situation. Well, the opening is definitely creepy. At least the English is somewhat decent. Takeru is well inducted into the group, but the relationship with the others like Kasumi still definitely needs some time getting used to. Kasumi and Sumika is part of Alternative IV, and of course, the concept of alternating worlds will be alien to those not invested in the Muv-Luv universe. More training for the team, and I suppose that'd be so to keep them in shape of passing the CCSE quicker than fast. Off to fight the BETA, and Takeru's self-righteous personality may rub off the wrong way with vice-commander Yuuko, but she trusts what he's doing. That took a minute or 2 of pure strategy and PowerPoint-like presentation, yikes. The character models this episode seem super stiff with the garbage animation, and you can tell that they're rushing events back and forth without rhyme or reason...which 3 episodes in, really breaks more than make it, even for hardcore fans. Spelling out the anomalies in this one feels better. I don’t even know the VN and just watching this show as anime-only. But I am lost in place somehow. Yes, time travel and got the grasp and so on, but the story doesn’t have any „red line“ for me to follow. The anime is just like puzzle pieces, but not connected together and as the result - nothing makes sense right now as anime-only watcher. I can understand now why fans are upset of the show.. |
| Did they just.. cover the whole exam arc off-screen in like 30 seconds? Lol Seriously though not covering Extra or Unlimited is already gonna make things confusing for anime-only viewers but this pacing on top is absolutely insane |
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| damn the 2D animation is so bad lol so the enemy aliens are harvesting human brains? now they can pilot those robots |
| Too much talking. |
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| This anime makes me so glad that I read the visual novel. Seriously, this is beyond rushed. |
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NergalMHL said: Marinate1016 said: Glad to see new people into the community!Despite the loud criticism from the VN fans I’ve enjoyed the first few episodes of this tremendously and it’s accomplished the task of getting people into the VNs because after my GRE tomorrow, I plan to start reading it. Maybe after you delved into the VNs a dozen of hours, you'll notice why people are making rants about it. VN adaptations are never gonna be great, it’s just too much content you have to cut. I just approach anime adaptions as a trailer/ad for the VN |
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| why am I feeling lost soo much and why do I want to drop this ASAP?? Why do I have the feeling that those pictures of officers in a sheet that the professor had after they changed the battle should be of some importance and they will forget about it? Since this is my first anime of the whole series... Should a drop it completely? |
| For the ones that like to bother others (like me) with "you should read the manga/LN", please stop. I don't read mangas, I will NOT read mangas, I will not listen to what manga readers complain in adaptation to the anime counterpart, I only watch anime except in very few and specific situations. |
r_justo said: why am I feeling lost soo much and why do I want to drop this ASAP?? Why do I have the feeling that those pictures of officers in a sheet that the professor had after they changed the battle should be of some importance and they will forget about it? Since this is my first anime of the whole series... Should a drop it completely? Yes you should. A truly a big mistake watching this horrible rushed adaptation. |
| Rance X is A GOAT. |
| Let's be realistic here, anime and manga are using the 24hr clock while VN is using 4 times the 24hr clock, ppl don't have all day going thru this. While ppl have all day in the VN realm because to them, time pretty much stops while reading with background and foreground still for the next 15-20 minutes with a new CG, and then another 15-20 minutes with another new background and foreground with another new CG. As a VN reader, have read all the trilogy, it sure does took a huge amount of time invested, but it is worth it. I read the manga as well, and almost no one complains about the manga adaptation, it was also rushed as well, but not on the same level as anime rushed tho, but still. If Muv-Luv is ever going to adapt into anime in the future, they should do ONA releases with 1 hour per episode without having to place TV timeslot restrictions. It helps and that would be the best choice Muv-Luv would ever get a proper anime adaptations and also taking the time for better quality of character art and animations. Strike the Blood Season 2-4 + Final did it well. |
TPatrioticOtakuOct 20, 2021 9:33 PM
| First episode made me think this could end up somewhat decent but nope, last 2 episodes proved otherwise. great. |
ixarising said: 2 episodes in, and Takeru hasn't even called Marimo "Marimo-chan". But always call Sakaki "Incho" |
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