Kirito is too strong, and it's not a good thing.

Astralarium said:
I feel no excitement for the finale because we all know there's 0 chance for him not to win.

And on top of that... starting from WoU part 1, the overarching plot has not moved forward at all:

1. Rath staff is still in trouble (no help coming from JSDF).
2. The Underworld is standing still, with nothing happening besides a few skirmishes in the middle of nowhere.
3. Project A.L.I.C.E. seems like a long forgotten objective at this point, although it was originally presented as the most important thing.

Kirito is literally in the middle of this unfinished blob of a story - I find it hard to believe that he alone can wrap it up in a sensible way. Yet for some reason I'm afraid this is exactly what's going to happen...

What are your thoughts on this matter?

ahkuma said:
People still hate on this in 2020? Hearing kirito/SAO complaints are starting to become more generic than the actual show itself. At this point im more interested in hearing a fans perspective on why they like it as it is more rare for me to hear that.

Ventus_S said:
Don't get me started some of the Knights / Dark Territory leaders has fought / trained themselves with the strongest weapon/ incarnation/ real life battle experience for decades (some even 100+ years) yet apparently their incarnation/ will / skill level is not even 1/100 the fragment of Kirito's incarnation/ will/ skill level with at max 2 years of experience. (And he only learned release recollection and incarnation system like literally around 2 days during his time of climbing tower, then he went straight into coma and do nothing)

This is the type of asspull I hated the most.

Ventus_S said:


I can explain:

ANIMATION ANIMATION ANIMATION

MUSIC MUSIC MUSIC

WAIFU WAIFU WAIFU

Trust me , if you put this type of plot in any other not so popular light novel/ manga, people will just spit on it.


PS: I actually kinda liked SAO back in SAO Alicization Season 1 part 1 and maybe season 2 when everything seems to make sense.

MegamiRem said:
Kirito being OP ain't a prob at all lol. It all depends how well the author handle's the OP protagonist in his story. There's plenty of OP protagonist in a lot of highly rated and popular animes/mangas/Light Novels like Ainz from Overlord, Tanya from Youjou senki, Eren from AOT, Saitama from OPM, Alucard from Hellsing etc but they don't hinder the quality of the show rather increase it.

ahkuma said:


I mean, at this point if people are still bitching about kirito 50 episodes in I dont know what I can say to them, they chose to click play on the episode and hurt their brain.

ahkuma said:


I wouldnt consider Eren from AOT OP as he still struggles in the manga up until a certain point for most of the series against his opponents.

MegamiRem said:
So what of it?

WaifuMaster17 said:
Kirito is OP,that's true,but he is OP is balanced way. There are three types of OP character: Balanced,power fantasy and Gary Stu.

Balanced are type of OP character that are enjoyable because of their traits,personality and because their powers are balanced because of their internal struggles,holes in heart,core motivations and they faced difficult challenges and conflicts and they are paying price for their powers.

Example: Edward Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist),Simon (Gurren Laggan),Saitama (One Punch Man),Spike Spiegel (Cowboy Bebop),Ken Kaneki (Tokyo Ghoul),Tanjiro Kamado (Kimetsu No Yaiba),Guts (Berserk),Lelouch (Code Geass),Naofumi (Rising of Shield Hero),Goblin Slayer,Meliodas (Seven Deadly Sins) and Hajime Nagumo (Arifureta light novels)

Power fantasy are type of OP character that are OP for readers or audience who enjoy OP characters kicking asses,but they lack some balance in their powers and do not pay price for their powers very often. They can be enjoyable and they have motivations or at least one bit of difficult challenge,but not to everyone. They are OP just for fanservice,in short words.

Example: Goku (Dragon Ball),Luffy (One Piece),Naruto (Naruto series),
Tatsuya Shiba (Mahouka Koukou No Rettousei),Asta (Black Clover),Ichigo (Bleach),Natsu Dragneel (Fairy Tail),Eren Jaeger (Attack On Titan),Shin Wolford (Kenja No Mago) and Ikki Kurogane (Rakudai Kishi no Cavalry)

Gary Stu character is kind of OP character that always overpowers his opponent and have no flaws. Aimlessly OP with completely unbalanced powers,lacking core motivation,wandering around,defeating anyone without losing blood,breaking a sweat or paying any price at all. Even if one of Gary Stu bleed and break a sweat,they can be boring also if his character design and writing is bland or generic,it's can be somewhat annoying.

Example: Touya Mochizuki (Isekai wa Smartphone to Tomo ni),Taichi Nishimura (Isekai Cheat Magician),Ichirou Suzuki (Death March kara Hajimaru Isekai Kyousoukyoku),Wendelin (The 8th Son) and Christopher Chiaki (Garzey's Wings)

What type of OP character is Kirito and where he belongs? The answer iiisss....

Aincrad arc - Balanced
Fairy Dance arc - half Balanced,half power fantasy
Phantom Bullet arc - half Balanced,half power fantasy
Excalibur - Power fantasy
Mother's Rosario - unknown,probably balanced
Alicization arc - Balanced

Overall,he is balanced.

He didn't start OP like some generic isekai protagonists. He started from zero,at Floor 1 of Aincrad,level 1 then he was grinding EXP to level up. Kirito wasn't OP from beginning,he was struggling to survive by taking risky quests that almost got him killed and leveled him up slowly. As yes,we can't see how Kirito's level develops because of timeskips in Aincrad arc. Kirito have flaws that balance his powers and he doesn't always overpower his opponents.

Take a look at fights he lost,like losing to Yggdrasil's NPC guardians,losing to Suguha on kendo duel in beginning of Fairy Dance arc,losing against Yuuki twice,losing against large group of players while protecting boss room so Yuuki and Sleeping Knights would beat boss alone,getting wrecked while training with Sortiliena,getting frozen by Eugeo and getting his ass kicked by Quinella's Sword Golem.

Also,he have almost died many times. Take a look at his fight against 74th floor boss Gleam Eyes. He defeated him,but it's almost killed him and left him with
1% HP or so remaining. If he was OP in Gary Stu level,he would have cleared SAO right from beginning in 1 minute,just like Touya Mochizuki,who is so OP that he can end the wars in fifteen minutes. (Not kidding,read light novels) Also,Gary Stu OP characters always defeat opponents alone. But Kirito wasn't alone,he always defeats bosses and enemies with help from others. Kirito fought Yggdrasil Guardians alone and it's didn't end well for him until Leafa,Recon,Slyphs and Cait Siths joined the raid.
Not to mention,he had hard times beating his opponents,just like how Spike Spiegel had hard time beating Mad Pierrot.

And more importantly,he have been bleeding a lot and suffered a heavy and unbearable pain in Alicization arc becuase of pain absorption disabled and been agonized for not being able to save Black Cats guild,killing 3 Laughing Coffin members and losing Cardinal and Eugeo,his best friend who was like a brother to him. He gone through same suffering and pain like Simon,Edward Elric and Ken Kaneki did and he hates himself so much that he wishes that he was dead instead of person he deeply cared about like Sachi or Eugeo,yet you all call him ''too strong'' or ''Gary Stu'' and judging him without taking closer look at him. Kirito is not OP like Saitama,who can defeat almost anyone with single punch or like Touya Mochizuki,god of Gary Stus,who can use any magic and overpower without paying any price or like Christoper Chiaki,who became OP in beginning.
His powers came from hard work,years he spent surviving in SAO and sword skills he practiced in SAO and Alicization,not because he is some kind of hacker. I can talk about how OP characters can be good or bad all day long if i want,but i talked enough. Kirito is balanced OP character like Spike Spiegel and Edward Elric,end of story.

And one last thing. Do not waste time on replying to my post. If you are smart,you would do something better other than badmouthing anime and characters that will be defended to death. I learned my lesson hard way after criticizing few anime i disliked until i realized that i was wrong. Someday you'll realize that SAO anime series are not bad anime,but black coffee which have bitter taste that you can't handle.

Astralarium said:
I feel no excitement for the finale because we all know there's 0 chance for him not to win.

And on top of that... starting from WoU part 1, the overarching plot has not moved forward at all:

1. Rath staff is still in trouble (no help coming from JSDF).
2. The Underworld is standing still, with nothing happening besides a few skirmishes in the middle of nowhere.
3. Project A.L.I.C.E. seems like a long forgotten objective at this point, although it was originally presented as the most important thing.

Kirito is literally in the middle of this unfinished blob of a story - I find it hard to believe that he alone can wrap it up in a sensible way. Yet for some reason I'm afraid this is exactly what's going to happen...

What are your thoughts on this matter?

justtvalerie said:
We're like 90 episodes into the show and people are still somehow expecting Kirito to NOT be OP?

ahkuma said:


More like we are 90 episodes in and people are still hate watching to prove their superior taste in anime, which is kinda funny and sad at the same time.

Taifood said:
This is how SAO has always been lmao

Jesus kun comes to save the day that's how it works around here.

all the SAO fans promised me it was going to be good, just you wait

Hebii said:
I mean Kirito was in a coma for ages and we got to see other characters take the spotlight. Isn't that good enough?

Also why are some people so threatened by the mc being strong from the beginning? It would be boring if every anime had their mc start of weak and struggle through every damn fight.

Guifoliveiraa said:
Guys do like me, if you didnt like it drop the anime.

Honestly is the better we can do and we all now that SAO is bad because of Kirito and they won't make him go away so don't watch it is the only solution.

And for fuck sake, him flying around and having that so many powers was ridiculous in the next episode what is he going to do? Turning Super Saiyan and fight Gabriel in space?

I just don't feel like watching it anymore, and before the fanboys come here it just my opinion so don't get mad.

Taifood said:
This is how SAO has always been lmao

Jesus kun comes to save the day that's how it works around here.

Dante012 said:
@Ventus_S


Dude, this is EXACTLY my experience with SAO! The fanbase overhyped it the entire series.

When I watched season 1, I said I loved it but felt the potential was wasted, the fanbase told me "you'll see in season 2, they develop the story" (especially referring to Laughin Coffin). Turns out the established lore isn't developed that much more and it's still a waste.

When I complained about season 2, I was told "you'll see Alicization, it's SAO but with good writing!". They really hyped me as h*ck. Turns out the writing is even worse in this part of the story...

At least they're not being toxic about it (at least, not from my experience), but it's annoying how they overhyped it all the time. I guess most of the fanbase really are kids...

CesarMagnan said:


Yeah but when other characters take the spotlight in SAO usually they get beaten to almost being death or completetly death or r#$ed and the worst thing is that their effort was for nothing since the only one who could win the battle was and will always be Kirito with a new power that he didn't have before pulled from his ass, also the fact that he was in a coma makes it worse.

Now there are series with overpowered protagonist but their story or premise or MC are more interesting/likeable than SAO; like Overlord, we know that Ainz is overpowered but his battles aren't just about winning but how to properly win or how to get the most information and he has companions that do more in one season than any of Kirito harem and friends in the entire series, not only that those Ainz companions actually help to move the story forward and do not only serve as a fanservice punchbag as SAO does.

Amaru43 said:

First off being likeable isn't an argument people has their opinions and you can't speak for everyone else.


I hate kirito kinda harem they really don't progress the story at all, other than just being there.

Supporting cast does get to shine, Asuna Get to be main character for 2 arcs and secondary protagonist for the first one. Sinon has a huge part to play in GGO.
Eugeo becomes a secondary protagonist and played a huge role. And when he was reduced to a disposable character after his death he still was there to help Kirito with both of his fight and waa a huge climax in the part of the story.

Winning battle are more about winning in both stories, when the protagonist wins and etc, they get more closer to their goals, that the whole reason for why there are fighting they fight because they. Have to in order to accomplish what they want to do.


Kirito case is he fighting because his life is on the line or other people life are on the line, Kirito isn't fighting just to win he has reason to fight, because it a life or death witch forces him to fight. He not fighting just to win
He fights for bigger reason.



Yes everyone almost gets beaten to death that's show that the characters are struggling to win, even when kirito comes he even struggles to win and depends on Eugeo to win. He gets his bottom half cut off and on the verge of dying, even if he heals or grows his limbs back there no way he would of won with his power alone.

Yes you can say that he won with then power of friend ship.

CesarMagnan said:


Look all that I say is that this arc was a missed oportunity if the author had switched the roles of Eugeo with Kirito the story would have felt diferent, even he could have brought Kirito back to life with the same shenanigans that he always pullout when Kirito is fighting the last boss.

Also the problem with all the new female characters; or harem members eventhough Kirito only loves Asuna which doesnt makes sense why all of them stay in love with him, he always looks that they are given a protagonism but at the end of the day all of them are dragged out of the protagonism to just become a damisel in distress to be rescued by Kirito.

Let us be honest evaluating all the arcs of SAO the only time that it felt that his life was in real danger was in the first arc after that it is a joke to think otherwise.

Another point a struggle to win? His lower half was cut off and he regenerated it with the power of shenaningans, there is no struggle in that situation.

PD: A likeable MC as an argument is in whithin my opinion and as you just said that I cant speak for eveyone else the same applies to you, you cant speak for myself or anyone that expresses their opinion and if you like Kirito as a MC good of you but for me it is a predictable dissappointment not even hate just dissapiontment.