Spice and Wolf (light novel)
| Passione is a bit tough for me to judge. The kind that spends most of their budget on eye candies or juicy content for everything else to look dull. But it might prove me wrong, though remakes never get a good rep since most of them are done poorly with no consideration for pacing, character growth, and sometimes going out of their way to make up content that diverges from the main plot of the story. |
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| As somewhat of a boomer, I'm definitely not a fan of the new character design compared to its predecessor, but it's too early to judge right now. However, I was left feeling distasteful about Higurashi Gou and Sotsu, which is why I'm a bit skeptical. |
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| Both of the remake directors were involved in the original anime, Takeo Takahashi as the series director and Hijiri Sanpei being an episode director in the second season, so it's not like the creative voices are drastically different. The issue in question will be if the production can sustain itself for two cours. Passione doesn't seem like it has the best management at all, for example, one of the episodes for Yuri is My Job, one of their more recent shows, had some insanely huge animation director numbers. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FxnENh1WIAILijk?format=jpg&name=medium |
OongbuhMar 31, 8:19 PM
Oongbuh said: Both of the remake directors were involved in the original anime, Takeo Takahashi as the series director and Hijiri Sanpei being an episode director in the second season, so it's not like the creative voices are drastically different. The issue in question will be if the production can sustain itself for two cours. Passione doesn't seem like it has the best management at all, for example, one of the episodes for Yuri is My Job, one of their more recent shows, had some insanely huge animation director numbers. well that was an collaboration with an another studio |
| If it's similar in quality to Higurashi Gou and Sotsu i wouldn't mind. Not too keen on the new artstyle, but perhaps it'll grow on me. Definitely looks more like the LN though |
| Objectivity? In my anime scoring? Of course not... |
Reply to Hickykissy
Oongbuh said:
Both of the remake directors were involved in the original anime, Takeo Takahashi as the series director and Hijiri Sanpei being an episode director in the second season, so it's not like the creative voices are drastically different. The issue in question will be if the production can sustain itself for two cours. Passione doesn't seem like it has the best management at all, for example, one of the episodes for Yuri is My Job, one of their more recent shows, had some insanely huge animation director numbers.
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Both of the remake directors were involved in the original anime, Takeo Takahashi as the series director and Hijiri Sanpei being an episode director in the second season, so it's not like the creative voices are drastically different. The issue in question will be if the production can sustain itself for two cours. Passione doesn't seem like it has the best management at all, for example, one of the episodes for Yuri is My Job, one of their more recent shows, had some insanely huge animation director numbers.
well that was an collaboration with an another studio
| @Jackson_rajkumar So? That doesn't mean anything. Having this many animation directors for one episode is not a good sign at all. And it's not exclusive to this, Passione projects such as Higurashi and Harem Labyrinth also had massive AD lists in certain episodes. |
| Since it's Passione I'm hoping they'll keep a good amount of naked Holo scenes, otherwise I would expect them to be fewer. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| I fucking love this studio lol |
| Most of modern remakes are soulless garbage though since anime directors are average at best nowadays and lack the understanding of source material or simply don't care - they just "do their job" in conveyor manner. Changing of style is okay maneuver but changing from a slightly serious tone to wild kawaii is not. I bet modern Holo won't be dramatic during a scene of remembering her past anymore, it will be a typical child crying scene with kawaii face, big eyes, and tears if this scene will survive modern adaption at all. I am skeptical, I would prefer 3rd season than a remake from some random ecchi/kawaii studio which will fail obviously and leave us with only one worthless season. |
| I have iffy feelings about Passions, because of how they somehow adapt degenerate stuff in degenerate way. |
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| They fucked up Higurashi so much that they adapted a school detention into a prison room, made the schoolgirl character wear orange jumpsuit and everything in a prestigious highscool 😭😭 |
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| I hope they will add more fan service |
| Not sure whatsoever but I'm waiting to at least watch one episode before I just completely write them off for anything just because of their previous history of shows that they have worked on (especially with the new Higurashi seasons). I will say though, just before the premiere airs, I am more cautious than optimistic about it so if they can surprise me with a good adaptation, then I can have my mind feel at ease just a little bit. |
| Idk about anything else but we are gonna get some good Holo ass shots I think? Lol. |
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| So remakes don’t just re-do the old content updated or update the content in the re-do? What’s the purpose of doing then? Just go make money? |
Note: I don’t lazily watch 3-5 episodes, biasedly compare to other anime, or unfairly judge by surface level similarities. With every anime I start, I watch the entire series, both Japanese Sub & English Dub, then judge each anime based on what they present, to give an honest and fair rating.  |
Reply to Lawgun
Most of modern remakes are soulless garbage though since anime directors are average at best nowadays and lack the understanding of source material or simply don't care - they just "do their job" in conveyor manner. Changing of style is okay maneuver but changing from a slightly serious tone to wild kawaii is not. I bet modern Holo won't be dramatic during a scene of remembering her past anymore, it will be a typical child crying scene with kawaii face, big eyes, and tears if this scene will survive modern adaption at all. I am skeptical, I would prefer 3rd season than a remake from some random ecchi/kawaii studio which will fail obviously and leave us with only one worthless season.
| @Lawgun Lawgun said: since anime directors are average at best nowadays Shuhei Yabuta, Hirotaka Mori, Shingo Natsume, Tatsuya Yoshihara, Masaki Yuaasa, Kazuhiro Furuhashi, Masami Oobari, Ryu Nakayama, Shota Goshozono, Kazuto Arai, Rie Matsumoto, etc. There exists plenty of great directors still in the industry currently. |
Reply to Astrid_Bear
reyqq said:
As somewhat of a boomer, I'm definitely not a fan of the new character design compared to its predecessor, but it's too early to judge right now. However, I was left feeling distasteful about Higurashi Gou and Sotsu, which is why I'm a bit skeptical.
As somewhat of a boomer, I'm definitely not a fan of the new character design compared to its predecessor, but it's too early to judge right now. However, I was left feeling distasteful about Higurashi Gou and Sotsu, which is why I'm a bit skeptical.
Just know tho that Chloe will not be in this anime as she was never in the books instead we had a character named Yare. I feel like people are just gonna double down on hating the anime cuz Chloe ain’t there
| @Astrid_Bear I think that's pretty common knowledge among OG fans. I don't see anyone hating on it if it's a faithful adaptation of the LN. |
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 It's looking pretty good so far. |
LostSpectreApr 2, 2:35 AM
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| I can tell you already that Ep 1 is more faithful to the LN adaptation than the OG ep 1 was. Yarei wasn't even in ep 1, he was replaced by Roberta in the original. |
| Oh god who are you people? |
Reply to reyqq
As somewhat of a boomer, I'm definitely not a fan of the new character design compared to its predecessor, but it's too early to judge right now. However, I was left feeling distasteful about Higurashi Gou and Sotsu, which is why I'm a bit skeptical.
| @reyqq Compare the LN designs to the OG anime, it's far more similar now then it was before. |
| Oh god who are you people? |
| I don't have an issue with Passione's animation, the OG was nothing special either at that time animation wise. All I'm really concerned about is rushing, skipping and cutting content. That is not how you treat a modern classic/ masterpiece. I'm not saying they will mess it up, but Passione's track record isn't something to brag about. |
| Oh god who are you people? |
Reply to chakracat
@reyqq Compare the LN designs to the OG anime, it's far more similar now then it was before.
| @chakracat As a matter of fact, yes, 1st episode didn't look half bad at all. |
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Reply to superstorm1
Passione's track record is horrendous and its got me feeling giga iffy about it but judging from the first episode so far its looking good. I know one part that can give people the wrong impression was in episode 1 where holo is naked for most of her appearance but seeing how Passione didn't overly sexualize it, it makes me have hope that they won't turn this into a ecchi at least. I have alot of hope for this series from just this first episode and I really hope they can maintain it. Spice and Wolf is one of my favorite stories of all time and in terms of talents and everything Passione really seems to have pulled out all of the stops with Kevin Penkin, Ami Koshimizu, and Jun Fukuyama so I really do believe they are putting in alot more effort into this piece vs some of their other works. So i guess to answer the question, I feel a little worried but at the same time things are looking good so far.
| @superstorm1 There's literally less ecchi in the remake, anyone familiar with the OG knows she's naked for half the episode. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
Reply to chakracat
I don't have an issue with Passione's animation, the OG was nothing special either at that time animation wise. All I'm really concerned about is rushing, skipping and cutting content. That is not how you treat a modern classic/ masterpiece.
I'm not saying they will mess it up, but Passione's track record isn't something to brag about.
I'm not saying they will mess it up, but Passione's track record isn't something to brag about.
| @chakracat The Passione complaints are pretty irrelevant when you look at just who is heading Passione. |
| If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that. |
| Haven't even seen the 2008 anime but after Higurashi Gou my expectations are quite low. |
| Reminds me of what I've seen of screen-shots from the VR game tbh. |
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| Off the first episode, and even though I have yet to read that portion just yet, soon... this anime remake seems in great hands. |
| I don't know... I LOVE the fact this is getting a new anime with a visual closer to the light novel and I certainly will watch it to the end... but somehow I felt this episode rushed and noisy for some reason,(doesn't mean I'll stop watching since I love Ami Koshimizu as Holo) the original Ost and pacing of the dialogues felt perfect in the og so I recommend everyone to give it a shot not just to this one but the original as well :D |
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