| Hello, I just finished Monster, I read some topics and opinions about what's left mysterious, but I still have a question that was bothering me in the entire story. How was Johan able to know the past of almost any character? even some characters that seem to have no connection with Johan in his past, he was still able to know a lot of info about their past, enough to manipulate them as he wish. |
Manga readers who can't help themselves in spoiling/hinting about upcoming events need a lot of help.  |
| I think he manipulates only them, whom he can reach the past. and for the past he does groundwork that is now shown in the story. or a uncertified behaviour scientist who just knows human interaction too well |
| he had abs : "anime bullshit science" but ehh i m cool with it anyways๐๐ |
Icywisy said: I don't think so, there is some points where he needed to manipulate some ppl to either do something for him or to just kill themselves just like what happened with Richard Braun, Johan was able to lead him to his death just by the info that he gathered about him, but still we never knew how exactly he gathers these information about his victims.I think he manipulates only them, whom he can reach the past. and for the past he does groundwork that is now shown in the story. or a uncertified behaviour scientist who just knows human interaction too well I think the only case where I saw how Johan knew the past of his target was Schuwald, since Schuwald was visiting Johan's mother when Johan was a child and he was telling her stories about his ex and his son. |
Manga readers who can't help themselves in spoiling/hinting about upcoming events need a lot of help. |
| Not sure about "ANY character". |
MahSiNi said: and how exactly is this a problem?Johan was able to lead him to his death just by the info that he gathered about him, but still we never knew how exactly he gathers these information about his victims. |
| I don't have any problems thinking he could have gathered past knowledge of anyone he wanted to manipulate, but will anyone explain how was he able to mimic anna's voice when he disguised her? |
vinnywizanime said: I don't have any problems thinking he could have gathered past knowledge of anyone he wanted to manipulate, but will anyone explain how was he able to mimic anna's voice when he disguised her? That's just a problem with the anime. We saw "her" in the manga and we don't know how her voice sounds. When those scenes were recreated in the anime, they would have to decide whether use directly her voice or give that hint to the watchers. |
Daninokuni said: vinnywizanime said: I don't have any problems thinking he could have gathered past knowledge of anyone he wanted to manipulate, but will anyone explain how was he able to mimic anna's voice when he disguised her? That's just a problem with the anime. We saw "her" in the manga and we don't know how her voice sounds. When those scenes were recreated in the anime, they would have to decide whether use directly her voice or give that hint to the watchers. some things just fit better in the manga cause with the anime you have to show the audio which could reveal a lot, but in my view they should have gone with johans voice just a bit feminin even if it reveals a lot. Big plot hole this in the anime |
| I'm more concerned about him being able to rock a black dress way better than his sis. |
| I don’t think many ppl understand Johan at all. He’s not per se a real character, but moreso a phenomenon or as the title says, the monster. You remember the poem with the monster entering pool’s bodies and eating them from inside? That’s supposed to be Johan. He’s an actual monster, something supernatural. So how does Johan knowing all that make sense? It doesn’t. Johan is a very subjective character to look at and very philosophical, so in my interpretation of his character, he’s not a real person. He’s like the antichrist. |
 ๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
on Dwarrp said: MeVike said: I don’t think many ppl understand Johan at all. He’s not per se a real character, but moreso a phenomenon or as the title says, the monster. You remember the poem with the monster entering pool’s bodies and eating them from inside? That’s supposed to be Johan. He’s an actual monster, something supernatural. So how does Johan knowing all that make sense? It doesn’t. Johan is a very subjective character to look at and very philosophical, so in my interpretation of his character, he’s not a real person. He’s like the antichrist. I would have rated Monster higher if it was explicitly shown he has supernatural powers rather than having manipulation talents that are somehow beyond human. Monster is a psychological thriller. As the genre mentions, it’s psychological. You’ll have to interpret if by yourself. You don’t really get psychological anime that show you everything. You need to get your own answers. There’s also really not right answers, it all just depends on how you see the story and the characters. No one is gonna outright come and give you the answers. You’ll have to make your own. |
๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
Dwarrp said: MeVike said: Monster is a psychological thriller. As the genre mentions, it’s psychological. You’ll have to interpret if by yourself. You don’t really get psychological anime that show you everything. You need to get your own answers. There’s also really not right answers, it all just depends on how you see the story and the characters. No one is gonna outright come and give you the answers. You’ll have to make your own. Coping excuse to explain Johan's powers but whatever you say. And that answer just shows you can’t think for yourself. Well everyone is different, so it’s ok. If you’ve read other Urasawa mangas, they all have unexplained phenomena that can really only be explained through supernatural means, but then again, all of his works are up for interpretation. |
๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
Dwarrp said: MeVike said: And that answer just shows you can’t think for yourself. Well everyone is different, so it’s ok. If you’ve read other Urasawa mangas, they all have unexplained phenomena that can really only be explained through supernatural means, but then again, all of his works are up for interpretation. Says the self-entitiled moron who rated classics like Akira 5 Lain and GITS 6 yet an edgefest like Elfen Lied 7 and shonentard stuff Belacvh 8 and thinks Monster is the "BEEEST PSHOLOGIVAL ANIMU EVAH" Get over yourself edgy zoomer boy. Well thank you for thinking of me highly enough to even stalk me. If you checked out my profile, you’d know I said “my ratings are solely based on enjoyment” meaning no matter how well written a story is, if I don’t enjoy it, I won’t rate it highly. I like Elfen lied and bleach for different reasons lol. How can you compare shounen to sel or the edge fest of Elfen lied to Akira? They’re not the same hence the enjoyment is not the same. Akira and SeL are too avant-garde for me. Nonetheless I did enjoy sel, and not so much Akira. I also never stated that monster is the best psychological anime. Hey, I’m only trying to tell you that multiple anime need interpretation (Akira and sel which you mentioned are no different). But as I said, if you can’t think for yourself, it’s ok. Everyone lacks something. For you, it’s just intellect, my stalker friend who is too scared to state an opinion on their real account. |
๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
Dwarrp said: MeVike said: Well thank you for thinking of me highly enough to even stalk me. If you checked out my profile, you’d know I said “my ratings are solely based on enjoyment” meaning no matter how well written a story is, if I don’t enjoy it, I won’t rate it highly. I like Elfen lied and bleach for different reasons lol. How can you compare shounen to sel or the edge fest of Elfen lied to Akira? They’re not the same hence the enjoyment is not the same. Akira and SeL are too avant-garde for me. Nonetheless I did enjoy sel, and not so much Akira. I also never stated that monster is the best psychological anime. Hey, I’m only trying to tell you that multiple anime need interpretation (Akira and sel which you mentioned are no different). But as I said, if you can’t think for yourself, it’s ok. Everyone lacks something. For you, it’s just intellect, my stalker friend who is too scared to state an opinion on their real account. Cope all you want but your shit taste and your inability to understand actual deep shows like Lain and GITS are obvious to all "my friend". And that’s why I’m saying you lack intellect. Saying things like I don’t like gits and sel bc I don’t understand them. Well you’re wrong on both things- anything I rate above 5 is something I’ve enjoyed, or better put, something I didn’t regret watching. It’s quite ironic that you say that I didn’t understand the shows, despite you being here looking for answers to Johan’s powers… on a psychological anime. I doubt you can understand that though. But sure my friend. It’s as you say, I’m just coping and I’ll gladly keep doing so. Hopefully you leaned something from this talk. Have a great day/night in advance. |
๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
Dwarrp said: MeVike said: And that’s why I’m saying you lack intellect. Saying things like I don’t like gits and sel bc I don’t understand them. Well you’re wrong on both things- anything I rate above 5 is something I’ve enjoyed, or better put, something I didn’t regret watching. It’s quite ironic that you say that I didn’t understand the shows, despite you being here looking for answers to Johan’s powers… on a psychological anime. I doubt you can understand that though. But sure my friend. It’s as you say, I’m just coping and I’ll gladly keep doing so. Hopefully you leaned something from this talk. Have a great day/night in advance. Making up imaginary shit from your ass saying that I am here looking for answers, when there is no such thing, to prove your little zoomer-ass right... Tell me, my boy , were you born retarded or have you perfected being one in your lifetime ? Keep coping my friend |
๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
Dwarrp said: I edited my previous post so upur little reatdred brain can hopefully understand ฤฐt better. Go read it again. Troll getting trolled… what a lovely sight. Keep coping my friend |
๐๐ฐ๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ต๐ช๐ฎ๐ฆ๐ด ๐ธ๐ฉ๐ฆ๐ฏ ๐ ๐ค๐ญ๐ฐ๐ด๐ฆ ๐ฎ๐บ ๐ฆ๐บ๐ฆ๐ด, ๐ ๐ค๐ข๐ฏ’๐ต ๐ด๐ฆ๐ฆ. |
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He is super genius and you're not supposed to question his plot armor.
ValiWood said: He is super genius and you're not supposed to question his plot armor. This. You don't point the plot issues with series, ever. |
| Johan is more of a force of nature character more than anything. In short, how he knows it is irrelevant when considering the main moral dilemmas this series offers and the question it asks. Those being how responsible is Tenma for Johan's continued existence and what resonsibilities he has in ending it, and what turns a child into a seemingly purely malevolent individual of the highest orpder. While it is a mystery, it is also a psychological thriller rather than a crime oriented one; how things are commited while nice, are a little less relevant. |
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| Suspension of disbelief... A ton of suspension of disbelief. |
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