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*Gasp* What a truly evil comment! For someone who says that they're always up for a debate, I'd recommend using better tactics than the "trash taste" and "mid" arguments since they make you sort of come across as a joke. I appreciate you making me smile though, and thanks for sharing your thoughts on my trashiness!

What do you think about the currernt situation in OPM manga?

Hey, thanks for accepting my Fr. Nice to meet you!

Hi, thanks for the FR

I definitely agree with you that "Shonen" has morphed from a term to imply simply a magazine to be more of a genre, especially when it comes to the combat of a series. I think Seinen tend to be more "grounded" in reality, while Shonen are very driven by their fantasy elements. The terms have definitely shifted especially in the last 20 years, and no terms like that will be the same after 70 years of existence. That's why i tend to focus on the genre more so. I agree with you SBR is absolutely "shonen" but the arbitrary switch to a seinen magazine was always strange at the time, and simply meant Jump was targeting a different audience for the work. The best example of this is the Ninku Second Stage Stories of Etonin series, which is as the name implies, a part 2 (prequel even) to the original Ninku. Ninku was literally the series Naruto is based on, if you do not know, and was a regular, very childish even series. However, when the story returned it was 11 years later, and, presumably, the only people who ever remembered Ninku would be around their 20s, thus, Jump actually ran Ninku alongside SteelballRun. Just like it was in 1995 along with Part 4. So I think that shows really the magazines are just about "targeted age demographics". Funnily enough, I actually think Boruto's failure to shift up to the "seinen" demographic is a lot of what holds it back. it's less a continuation of the old for the old fans, and more a hard reset to bring younger fans into the series.

I will read your response in the Monster thread. Sadly MAL rarely recommends Monster forum things.

Saving you a long rant about Shonen vs Seinen terms (especially a manga like JoJo for example where Steel Ball Run is a Seinen) I will say that my main genre is really Cyberpunk above all. My favorite series in Ghost in the Shell and my second favorite anime is Bebop. My second favorite manga, Naruto, I have long argued since volume 10 is actually Kishimotos subversion of the Cyberpunk genre and is the first Ninjapunk manga. Boruto nearly proves my theory correct and increasingly so. On that basis, I would say that while many people focus on the Cyber, and while i do care deeply about that element, the Punk is as crucial to the genre as the Cyber.

This begins to explain many of my other choices. Yuyu Hakusho is a punk series at its core. JoJo part 2 is clearly punk, and Part 3 Jotaro is punk, while part 4 isnt its not exactly, my favorite character is the Punk, Okuyasu. Part 4 also explains Death Note, because it's essentially lifted from part 4. Plus death note is a very unshonen Shonen, with themes closer to Monster than a Dragonball. Gundam is mecha, but mecha and cyberpunk are brothers and Otomo (Akira) cites Gundam as his favorite.

HxH and Dragonball are definitley Shonen though.

I'll add that I also gravitate towards older proto cyberpunk stuff that isnt on my favorites. Cyborg 009, Kamen Rider, Blackjack. All of these are man-machine interface stories at the end of the day. Not the only sort of story i appreciate, hence Death Note, but definitely my favorites follow a pattern. As donyours with Urasawa and Watanabe stuff. 2 of my favorite and arguably the most consistent creators with multiple works. Kishimoto has 1 good work. Araki has many jojos but its all JoJo. Watanabe and Urasawa reinvent their world's every few years which i appreciate. Its hard to be so amazing, so consistently.

I am going to ebentually rewatch Zankyou. You have convinced me. I will go in with an open fresh mind. Yoko Kanno is ofc my fsvoeite, doing both Ghost in the Shell ans Bebop. And a lot of other anine I appreciate like Wolfs Rain, Macross, or RahXephon.

I might need an explanation on monsters ending, cause im still not sure i understand!

You pass the vibe check. RARELY, and i mean VERY rarely, does anyone truly pass. I'm not a super Urasawa fan but I enjoy everything from him, so I can respect that deeply. Only questionable content is Zankyou No Terror, you that into it? It passes cause it's Watanabe but when I watched it, I don't know, maybe i was expecting to much, or different of, watanabe? Prolly why my first run of Space Dandy was weird (until i found out he wanted you to watch it in english, and that each episode was a different director, and it wasn't supposed to be a single thing like a bebop). So I'll have to give it a try but it passes, it's not like you got Eva on your list which every half dozen people seem to have. All that stuff passes.