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| At the very begining of the conversation between Rudolf and Hideyoshi when they agree on Klaus being the best pick to take care of dividing the assets the translation is a bit different and in general it relates better to how later on Klaus starts pointing out all the dirty deeds of his siblings. EDIT: I didn't want to get into as many details as InsaneZero but he outlined the difference in translation more accurately. |
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| Nice start. The pacing wasn't really that fast, for a person who didn't read the VN. Anyway, this episode somewhat had an intense feel. |
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| I don't know. I think the outcome is still the same since in the CoalGG sub, Klaus ended up pointing out everyone's real reasons for wanting money. Even though the tone of the translation was different, given what was going on screen, it could only have been taken one way. |
| *Krauss No idea why, but that's his name. Probably because it is cooler that way. |
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| Annoying little girl made me angry. |
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magentaanbu said: Annoying little girl made me angry. She was supposed to be annoying, so no complaints there which is a plus as well. As a first episode, it was better than i expected, so I'm really looking forward to more, watched it with gg subs and it was pretty good overall by the way. |
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soulelle said: That's why I wish Umineko's first episode was split into more episodes. That would definitely be for Umineko's sake. Here I do think I agree, but I'll choose to not comment the pacing before they finish the first "Episode" (as in arc). soulelle said: Or perhaps I expected someting at least as fine as Higurashi no Naku Koro ni. It contained only five main charcters, and that's why its introduction looked far superior than Umineko's one - they basically had more space in a single episode to cover the characters personality properly and create/keep the light-hearted atmosphere until the very end of the eppy. Unlike Higurashi, characters in Umineko doesn't have as obvious outstanding personalities (which imho makes the story more authentic). So while I do understand your point, do not think that all the characters in Umineko could be covered early in the same way as in Higurashi. Blunders aside, they did a fabulous Rosa Maria scene. Also, never have I taken your opinions for anything but opinions, don't mind my semi-trollan. ShogoKAWADA said: After reading the 1. book, I think Maria has some sort of mild autism like asperger syndrom.( Of course the most have no babytalk problems but talking as kid too fast). But her character leads to this conclusion. (Antisocial, special interesst, less emotions,less face expressions, abnormal laugther etc.) So she is not anoying on purpose. Keep that in mind every one! Someone actually THINKS instead of bashing Maria?! Oh snap! I wish more people would consider something like this, as it seems to me that "Maria is annoying nothing more needs to be explained let's hate her" only is a convenient excuse to keep a nice and tasty basis for hatred. Would love to answer Kaiser's nice speculation, but don't wanna derail the thread too much. |
| 1. Im glad that you can understand what I write. English is not my first language so sory for gramar or spelling errors. Kaiser: I understand your point.After reading about shizophremia, I think she shows both. On the one hand she acts like someone with Schizotypal personality disorder. But on the other hand she is stuborn and honest, take's jokes siriously and she shows less emotions, odd laughing, has a good memorizing of details and is over sensitiv, like someone with asperger syndrom. But booth disorders are linked and it's hard to sperate (humans think in boxes). And one Person can have both . In the End we can say she has Kinzo's blood in her veins. And: Its anoiying that the most people think, that every little Girl must be cute and so one. Hmm, most are like Dr. Irie (Mr. Pedobear) what? ;= } By the way: Even Einstein had displayed some mild Aspergerger paterns. ( To fast spech) So no short headed conclusions. And so I do. and my mother slaped me alot when I was a child. ( The ligth form of asperger is called Geek syndrom) |
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| Been looking forward to this anime for a looooong time already. Episode did NOT disappoint even the slightest. Can't wait for more! |
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| I'm the only one who can't appreciate this anime despite that all of that is really good ? O_o I can't... like that... But the opening, ending, all of that is the best of this season i think but no... I can't like... same for Higurashi. x_x |
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| I was pleasantly surprised with this episode. Was a lot better than I expected it to be. Even though Maria was a bit annoying (for whatever reason), I don't think she 'deserved' to be hit for that, especially not if she's indeed autistic or even schizophrenic. |
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| Good episode. I liked Maria but when she was crying it was a little bit annoying, but isn't it a bit much to hit her just because of that ;_; I liked the OP better than the ED. |
| As a general advice to newcomers that just started to get into Umineko. Do not expect it to be like Higurashi. They're created by the same person and they're both mysteries. That and another rather spoilerish reason are the only similarities they have. Everything else is pretty much as different as day and night. The creator even mentioned in an interview that Higurashi fans are more likely to be fooled by some parts than non-fans. |
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| The first episode intrigued. True story, I recalled a book Agatha Christie "Ten Little Niggers(Indians)", but this does not become worse) Well see what happens next. P.S:Uuuuu Uuuuu..... Rosa execute my desire X3 |
selective_yellow said: Maria needs to die. I was so happy when Rosa beat her down. Why doesn't anybody like the overly cute catchphrases from lolis anymore? It wasn't particularly annoying, but maybe just a little forced. Aside from that, the story pace was a little too hasty from the beginning... hopes it slows down more as it gets into the plot. |
| I don't know, it didn't click with me like Higurashi did. Still, I thought it was pretty good, well, except for the ending. |
| quit intriguing episode, wish op and ed would have been switched places though since op was meh but ed was awasome, also brat was sooo annyoing o_0 but i creeped a bit when first time saw that she has fangs for few moments, i wonder if that's something relevant to story or no, anyhow looking forward to next ep. |
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| Reaction to th first episode? UUU UUUU UUUUUUUUUUU~ Way better than I thought it would be, and I had really high expectations. I wonder how it'll compare to Higurashi. |
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| This episode definitely had a creepy factor to it and the opening and ending were awesome, the ending was pretty spooky as well. This series definitely has great potential. I liked the character designs. I'm getting major clue vibes from this. Which surprisingly isn't a bad thing. |
| Am I the only one who felt disappointed? I knew it was going to be crap, but I never really expected it to be that crappy. They really ruined it, and they could have done so much... Also, they forgot to connect the adults to the children, so people unfamiliar with Umineko must be wondering the family relations between these characters. I hope it gets better or I'm dropping it. |
| Yeah, it's pretty premature, since it seemed clear to me (except for the glasses guy) where the relations were. Battler said who his parents were, Maria got slapped by her mom, we know glasses guy isn't the son of the eldest, so that only leaves one pair of the adults left: Eva and her husband. |
SilentXenocide said: If you're going to call it crappy, at least provide some points of criticism. Seriously? Bad characterization, not so good animation, bad pacing, terrible ending. Maybe my standards are too high, but I was not satisfied with this episode at all. @noteDhero: Not quite, you are forgetting Jessica. No one ever mentioned that Krauss and Natsuhi were her parents... or did they? I seriously can't remember now. Oh well, it wasn't even that big of a deal, it just sort of made it pretty confusing. |
| Not gonna lie: I totally forgot about her. But she was already on the island when everyone else arrived, right? So she could only be Krauss' child. |
| I think the characterization was mediocre. It was strong on Maria, the butlerboy, and maybe her mother, but very blah and uninspired with the rest of the cast, especially Battler, the grandfather, and Krauss. I don't think the animation is going to matter so much in a show like this, so it's totally passable. Not particularly good or bad. The pacing was blazing, but since this was an introductory episode, I kind of appreciate it. I'm going to assume they'll deal more with the characters when it's necessary (if it even is). And yeah, the ending was terrible, but it really doesn't have anything to do with the show. |
| Spend 2 episodes on the slow beginning to improved the pace, or spend 1 episode and save another episode for the more important events. I think the choice is obvious. The first game of Umineko has a very slow beginning. Not much happens. It's mostly about introducing the wealth of characters and getting you familiar with them. |
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MarthX said: Spend 2 episodes on the slow beginning to improved the pace, or spend 1 episode and save another episode for the more important events. I think the choice is obvious. The first game of Umineko has a very slow beginning. Not much happens. It's mostly about introducing the wealth of characters and getting you familiar with them. Yeah I also choose the the latter. The beginning of the first game was slow like you said and I was a little bit bored at the adults talking. x3 btw SEACATS released their fansub. |
| Well,that gonna be a good anime to watch now and the opening is EPIC! *.*** |
SNSD said: Genix said: selective_yellow said: Maria needs to die. I was so happy when Rosa beat her down. Why doesn't anybody like the overly cute catchphrases from lolis anymore? It wasn't particularly annoying, but maybe just a little forced. Seriously. I don't see anyone complaining about Makoto from Kanon. These are exactly my thoughts. Before watching the actual episode I read all this complaining about Maria. That made me imagine it'll be some ear bleeding inducing sound. But it wasn't. Well, at least until the crying part. I even didn't notice it much but it left me thinking "OMG, its Kanon 2006 all over again" :D Pacing was a little too fast for me... Too many names in such short time... ugh, this will take a rewatch... I wonder how long I'll have brest squeezer image in my head connected with Battler. He seemed more compatible with some kind of ecchi show than mystery or horror... But it's only first impression though :) |
| Maybe get better with time, but have a great end. |
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| Oh wow, great opening o.o Even the ending, though very weird, has its charm. I haven't played the game so I don't know if this is faithful...but I loved Higurashi so I hope Umineko won't disappoint me with the amount of psychosis leaking out of the screen. EDIT: Oh, and Maria is SO irritating -.- Is it just me? |
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| This is the most promising series for me from the summer season until now. The characters need to get fleshed out a little more, espetially the main character needs more depth, but the mistery part so far is excellent. |
| I'm still waiting for Wind to release their version. If they don't do it soon then I'll just settle for SEACATS. |
| But, my man, this was seven chapters out of seventeen. They can do all four episodes of Umineko in eight point eight anime episodes at this rate. Of course, not all chapters are equally long, but I think they are on average, and the argument stands with some fudging. |
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| VN Complaints: I actually didn't think the pacing was that bad. I played/read/whatever the first episode-and-a-quarter of the VN and I thought that most of what they cut out was nonessential and what caused the opening to drag in the original. I would have liked to have mention of certain things that weren't covered (maybe some indication beforehand that a typhoon was coming, for example), and the omission of the small character-development scenes is unfortunate, but they seem to have hit most of the important stuff. Additionally, this gives them more time to really flesh out the next four episodes and make them as deliberate and creepy as possible. Which would you rather have more of, the character intros or the twilights? If I was watching Umineko and hadn't read the VN, I probably would've dropped it had we not gotten as far as we did, especially considering that the only reason I got past that extended sequence in the VN was because Higurashi did the same thing. I really think they made the right choice in this regard. I also didn't think Maria was that annoying. Even in the crying scene, she was supposed to get on your nerves - why do you think Rosa slapped her? Far more obnoxious to me was the Battler-boob-grabbing incidents - they are far less relevant and if I didn't know what I was getting into already, they would have been a major turnoff to the series. I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is supposed to be a good anime in its own right, not be a word-for-word adaptation that would only satisfy someone who knows the plot already. My Own Opinions: In any case, I liked the episode. While I did have some quibbles (stated above), I think it started more strongly than Higurashi did, and I'm confident that the anime staff can pull off something good. I eagerly anticipate the start of the twilights in the next ep. OP and ED are both awesome, BTW. Regarding subgroups, gg, SEACATS, and WinD are all subbing this show. All of them are awesome. Well, I guess this gives me an excuse (like I need one) to watch each episode at least three times (at least for a little while). SilentXenocide said: Also, the pace is probably going to SLOOOW down a lot in the next episodes now that intros are out of the way.Kaiserpingvin said: But, my man, this was seven chapters out of seventeen. They can do all four episodes of Umineko in eight point eight anime episodes at this rate. Of course, not all chapters are equally long, but I think they are on average, and the argument stands with some fudging. It may have been 7 chapters. But episode 1 is the shortest episode. Episode 4 for example is nearly twice as long and would require twice as much coverage. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Basically, "y'all complaining about this cat gold because you have REAL gold, well screw you, I don't want real gold so I can enjoy my cat gold better"? I see it as "I'm going to be able to appreciate both the anime and the VN (after the anime ends), while you'll be spending this whole season bitching about how it compares to the VN." That's probably the reason why I liked the Fate/Stay Night anime, but hated the Tsukihime anime. |
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Kaiserpingvin said: Basically, "y'all complaining about this cat gold because you have REAL gold, well screw you, I don't want real gold so I can enjoy my cat gold better"? I see it as "I'm going to be able to appreciate both the anime and the VN (after the anime ends), while you'll be spending this whole season bitching about how it compares to the VN." That's probably the reason why I liked the Fate/Stay Night anime, but hated the Tsukihime anime. |
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