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| Didn't we understand that each of the characters are broken people? We got it before this entire episode. The time could have been better spent... |
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| Ok after watching NGE for the 2nd time, I found out that this isn't as deep as I thought. It's just a long long long long recap of what we already know of the characters' past and the breakdown of their mentality. To summarize the whole episode in one line, all of our main characters wants attention! |
| I knew what to expect. And it wasn't better than that. Good thing there's EoE to make up for the faults of episode 25 and 26. |
| There goes the budget... Though, thought provoking. |
| Probably the most strangest episode of the whole series. I did not understand anything,everything was so confuse.... Very strange. |
"There is no such thing as an Anime elitist. You watch Anime, therefore, you are trash by society's standards." |
| It was certainly interesting ... unnecessary though really. It didn't do much ... like advance the plot particularly. |
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Lang said: ahh that makes senseOk after watching NGE for the 2nd time, I found out that this isn't as deep as I thought. It's just a long long long long recap of what we already know of the characters' past and the breakdown of their mentality. To summarize the whole episode in one line, all of our main characters wants attention! |
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| Gave me a head-ache on the flashing XD |
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| Gainax Ending indeed... At least my curiosity was satisfied with this series as to how it became popular. Now, onto the real treat: the movies! |
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| I kinda wish more episodes had been like this. Not all mind you, but a couple more... Good stuff. |
| I'm actually very fond of these types of episodes in anime. It reminds me to think critically and reflect on how humans act as a whole and individually. Why are we the way we are? What is the true reality if we each have different versions of what we experience in the same event? What is the meaning of life? How do we handle such heavy question everyday and what is our escape? What do we live for and why? From what I got from this whole series, it pushes you to connect with the characters -- even though they have much more "important" roles in the world -- because they are very real. If you've ever been through something traumatizing, you can understand them even more. |
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| Throughout this whole series I've pretty much disliked Asuka but this last episode has really changed my opinion about her. I relate so much to her or at least what she was saying in this episode that I feel like I can understand her a lot better now. Everything she said in her part of this episode I know and I have felt (other than the actual family business that she's seen) the mental stuff that she has gone through. I'm honestly glad this was here, there is something really wrong going on in the world here. |
| First episode of the show I didn't like. |
Lang said: Ok after watching NGE for the 2nd time, I found out that this isn't as deep as I thought. It's just a long long long long recap of what we already know of the characters' past and the breakdown of their mentality. To summarize the whole episode in one line, all of our main characters wants attention! Now I understand! :D |
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness." "May those who defy their fate be granted glory." |
| No this is weak no matter how you spin it, sorry. This is a failure as a Gundam mecha anime, and a failure of a psychological anime. |
| Although I thought this episode made some interesting points, it pretty much felt like a presentation of psychoanalytics. Now I'm not saying that the psychology was bad, in fact I've enjoyed those parts in the anime a lot, yet this felt like a recap. Most of these points had already been addressed in previous episodes. |
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| Well that was depressing This show is officially going on my to-rewatch-to-understand-it-better list. |
| I won't claim to understand everything that occurred in this episode, but I like how they explored the inner struggles of Misato, Asuka, and Shinji. The theme of abandonment and loneliness is common throughout all 3. Looking forward to watching the next episode and finally finishing the show that took me a decade to watch. |
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| All this is good for really is that it explained Instrumentality. Though not how it suddenly began, or what Seele and Gendo's intentions were. We've already (mostly) broken down the characters to these levels over the course of the series. Even considering they ran out of budget, it's really unsatisfying. Oddly they showed fragments of what would be scenes in EoE in this and the trailers of ep 24 (DC) etc (odd they gave the On Air / Director's Cut versions different trailers too). The Platinum edition commentaries say the whole series is actually a flashback occurring during 25-26 - I don't actually see any evidence of this? (In the show at least) |
| This episode did literally nothing to contribute to the story. What they did in this one was just flat out tell characteristics about characters that we've already figured out in previous episodes. Like we all know Misato was a whore, Rei was emotionless, Asuka always wanted praise from others. AND WE ALL CERTAINLY KNEW THAT SHINJI. IS. A. BITCH. |
"You either die an Ashita no Joe, or you live long enough to see yourself become a Naruto."  |
| Amazing episode, really memorable. It summarizes whole series and finally explains about characters. |
| This episode was weird. Everything that was going on in this episode was in Shinji's head. Shinji has to decide between his fantasy world or reality. He created a world in his mind to escape from reality, which means that Shinji has officially gone insane. Next episode is the end, so hopefully it explains a bit more. |
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callmetheBigD said: In Episode 25, Anno reverts back to his roots to perform a complete breakdown of the characters that we have all come to know and love. Everything that has happened up to this point has just been to prepare the characters for the breakdown they experience here. But the key to understanding and enjoying episode 25 comes in knowing Anno's plight itself. This is interesting and provides another point to the debate on this episode. The only thing I will comment is that, while Anno may not have enjoyed having to make this a studio DOES have to make money to stay in business so I wouldn't condemn someone for "disrespecting the creator". Some of the best art comes from depression. Overall, I really liked this episode, even though we've already learned about our characters' afflictions. It was nice to have it all lumped together incase someone missed it. |
| This episode has foreshadowing of the movies down the road, but if you haven’t seen the movies a lot of this just goes unnoticed, and is just written off as part of Shinji’s depression. I can understand why a lot of people did not like this two part ending to the TV series because it leaves you with almost no clue as to what the instrumentality going on really is. While End Of Eva makes it much more enjoyable and therefore understandable we really should not have to watch said extra material in order to enjoy said show. |
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| the fear of being alone |
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| this episode is great. i get that it's confusing the first time but since it explains one of the greater parts of the story i really don't understand that people label this as "psycho babble" or "filler". this is what evangelion is all about. particularly great concidering this is what they did/had to do instead of end of eva. |
AuroraeAug 21, 2014 4:44 PM
| WTF? Psychological much? |
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| I actually liked this episode, pretty thorough breakdown of the characters. I'm not sure about the method though, I can't tell if they did it like this because they ran out of budget and had to shoehorn it all into one episode in a straightforward manner or they genuinely wanted to do this lol. The first 2/3 of this series feels very different to the final third. No comic relief, heavy symbolism, characters getting completely broken and explored to their deepest levels. Heck thinking about it, the first half feels designed to draw people in and get them comfy with some of the issues characters are dealing with and then... mindfuck them in the final 6 episodes. |
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| Nice episode but goddamn repetitive. A lot of the things they explained was repeated from before and was just... slightly annoying. I guess Anno decided to fully psychologically put himself out into these characters. Great psychological analysis but an obvious amount of psychobabble but that's probably because he's just exposing himself through these character's and doesn't really know much about psychology aside from deductions he made from himself (probably). I don't see how anybody cannot relate to this though. It's explaining different forms of the fear of being alone. That's something almost all people have in their core. I preferred seeing how the different characters dealt with their more severe form of that fear (due to past trauma's) but I suppose this is nice as well. Rei Ayanami is definitely the most interesting. All the other's are practically carbon copies of each other with varying pasts and differing ways of dealing with their past trauma. Rei Ayanami isn't like that... I think. I don't understand her very well. When she talks about the entire ceasing to exist if she is replaced, is she referring to her existence being forgotten (or rather misplaced) because everybody will think the new clone Rei was always the real Rei meaning that nobody would remember or know of the existence of the old Rei? I don't feel as though they've explained her much in this episode (considering how that dependence on others is a universal thing and had so much psychobabble that it ended up taking up a bunch of her analysis). This is my first viewing... I need to rewatch this anime later. It's a lot easier to understand than Utena. It's a lot more basic although it pretends to be a lot more complicated. Psychobabble does make this unnecessarily harder to understand and drawn out. I really do not understand that "this is Shinji's world" and "This is the me inside of you while simultaneously being the you inside of me". I understand that it's the human instrumentality program but it feels as though its more than that. I suppose if I understood everything on my first go NGE wouldn't be as interesting as it is, even though it is pretty pretentious, repetitive and has unnecessary psychobabble. |
Saffron_entityDec 31, 2014 1:03 PM
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| This literally raped me mental wise.. Pretty much the same things all over again but overly complicated, unneeded stuff. Onto the final episode. hope it wont be like this one |
| Boy do I remember these last two episodes. Complete and utter mind rape. |
| This wouldn't have been a bad episode at all had the series reserve a bit of room within the episode to answer some questions I have been waiting to address. It was a fairly dry episode that was a bit too monotone. Now, I loved the psychological aspect of the show which is why I enjoy watching it to this point, but I don't see how this will lead to a solid and conclusive final episode of the series. Hopefully, it's nothing that will drive me disappointed. |
Saturn19 said: Should I watch the movies? In what order? This finale is mediocre, but maybe the movies could add something to the series. Just watch End of Evangelion and you're set, but imo the ending isn't that great |
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callmetheBigD said: In Episode 25, Anno reverts back to his roots to perform a complete breakdown of the characters that we have all come to know and love. Everything that has happened up to this point has just been to prepare the characters for the breakdown they experience here. But the key to understanding and enjoying episode 25 comes in knowing Anno's plight itself. Now I am sure pretty much anyone commenting here, or any fan of Evangelion in general, should know the story behind the creation of this show. For those who don't, it was because of Anno's previous work, "Nadia, Secret of Blue Water" and what his studio did to it. Look at each of the characters in this show. Each are an aspect of himself. All the case studies done, are case studies of himself. Anno makes anime because its what he is told to do (Shinji). He wants recognition from his peers (Asuka). But he has lost his soul, his humanity and is just one of many (Rei). Though he still wants to be loved, to be recognized, because there is still a sliver of hope left (Misato). The 5th Child represents the show he loved (Nadia), but was powerless to save, and its killer is none other than Gendo, the gruesome human form of his studio, Gainax. Great explanation, I remember watching this episode 2 years back for the first time, and like many others, it just seemed like they were complaining about their issues. (which we already knew about) I actually havent heard of this before so it's definitely interesting. I think this is a great episode, even if these 2 final episodes arent considered "the ending" Also we get a confirmation about the Human Instrumentality Project, what it's supposed to be and what the purpose is - which is a plus. |
PrOxAntoJun 1, 2015 1:41 PM
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| Well, it was nice to have Shinji's introspection. |
| I Can''t Get You Outta My Head! Ep 25. Plot:Psyche analysis of four principal characters: Shinji, Misato, Rei, and Asuka. All have there reasons. All have their faults. Their fears. Their desires. They want you to look at them. To know the real them. To love them. To not abandon them. Can you? Can they? 5/5. I love the analysis and it hits home to the overarching theme of Eva and the point of Instrumentality. So...what do you want? |
 I go where I wanna go, even if its into Oppai. |
| Like, everyone being judged for being human? This was cringe worthy. Hopefully the next episode isn't more of the same. |
| Such junk... |
| This was pretty cool. That is reality, indeed ^-^ |
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| Well apparently there is a dark space in everyone's mind they're trying to fill by doing things they like, this is how great accomplishments are made. In the end nobody can fill this hole for some unexplained reason. And NERV's plan is to combine everyone into one being to somehow fill that hole. WHAT? Wouldn't that be counter intuitive and just make a bigger hole? Maybe i got it wrong because it was a somewhat confusing episode but from what i took in, it didn't make sense. Oh yeah i mostly thought this episode was pointless not because i didn't understand, but because they filled it with explanations on the motives of the characters and backstory instead of working it out for ourselves, it's something that is done in many anime but this is one of the last ones i would expect it from. I feel that was a quite insulting and lazy choice made by the director. |
Reathonax said: Well apparently there is a dark space in everyone's mind they're trying to fill by doing things they like, this is how great accomplishments are made. In the end nobody can fill this hole for some unexplained reason. And NERV's plan is to combine everyone into one being to somehow fill that hole. WHAT? Wouldn't that be counter intuitive and just make a bigger hole? Maybe i got it wrong because it was a somewhat confusing episode but from what i took in, it didn't make sense. Oh yeah i mostly thought this episode was pointless not because i didn't understand, but because they filled it with explanations on the motives of the characters and backstory instead of working it out for ourselves, it's something that is done in many anime but this is one of the last ones i would expect it from. I feel that was a quite insulting and lazy choice made by the director. Three Words: Out of money. |
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