| Well I've never seen the anime so I can't say for sure.....but most likely yes, it was just a 'cop-out' ending. Wouldn't be the first time its happend, won't be the last. |
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| The Gantz ending (or rather, the whole show) was just...weird. Things were really thrown around imo. I didn't read the manga so I can't say much, but I was very, very confused about this too. |
| Well to me the ending of gantz was just an arguement between two polar opposite beings who believed in their views so much that they were willing to kill. Forgive me but for some reason i cant remember the whole ending since the last time i saw it was in november or october of last year... damn gotta go watch it now... THANKS :P |
  "What happens when we die?" I know that the ones who love us will miss us. |
Explaining the ending could go on forever. People come up with weird ideas of why it ended the way it did. They even blame the cell phones taking pictures of Kei and Kato's death in episode 1 for creating the gun's lags. |
| The ending of the anime really was entirely made up by the Director of the animation. I think it was actually the last four that were his "artistic image" of what GANTZ was about. In my opinion, he pretty much destroyed everything that made the concept and the show kind of cool. Kei got completely character-raped -- even if he was gonna be a better person after the last storyline he wouldn't have been all knightly and crap. Ugh, don't even get me started. Those last four episodes ruined the rest of that series for me. I am seriously repulsed at how horrible the end was in the anime. |
bettynoireMar 27, 2007 8:49 AM
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| WOW, this anime was amazing, i didnt get the ending either, niether for Evangelion, but dont judge me I feel the ending was kinda the fact where Kei, was willing to break all the rules Gantz was throwing at him. To this response, Gantz killed him. Also it shows that Even IF he were to get all the points, knowing abuout this whole thing, would make him liable to get secrets out that dont need to get out. so for doing Gantz bidding people people that they will get through it and go back to normal, when in all reality it was going to kill them in the end, which has a revolveing aspect to it. hence when i said rules |
| This was my take on the ending and the show itself *taken from the gantz forums* "None of you people seem to understand it. It made perfect sense, you cant just look at it so shallowly. Its a very deep and psychological show. Whether or not Kei lived is not the point. What was the point, in short, was that he proved to Gantz that humans arent all horrible beings - thus defeating eat. You could say that Gantz is a bitter nemesis that only sees evil in this universe. Kei, showing and proving in the end that thats not true for all beings, proves gantz wrong, even though he wants to be right. He doesnt want Kei to succeed, as you can tell from him trying to kill Kei with those insane guys. When the one with the bombs dies and Kei lives Gantz says "shit". As if he doesnt want to be proven wrong. There is however a lot more depth in the show that goes overlooked. I think in these ways its similar to FLCL. When people watch it, they expect it all to be told to them at face value without having to think. So the people who dont or want to do that or simply cant grasp the complexity's of the shows say they "suck". Which is fine, since it's your opinion and you have a "right" to it. However, i disagree, Gantz does not suck, its one of the best." |
| *moves to gantz board* |
| the anime is a pile of dog excrement compared to manga. |
| I love gantz,,hahah,,satisfied... |
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| lol just read the manga guys -_- he was transfered back in the room..alone.. |
| Kei is alive -_- and so is his friend.. read the manga |
| READ THE MANGA. The anime is shit, READ.THE.MANGA. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
Rail_Man said: OH I fucking agree with you, now i am off to read the manga!This was my take on the ending and the show itself *taken from the gantz forums* "None of you people seem to understand it. It made perfect sense, you cant just look at it so shallowly. Its a very deep and psychological show. Whether or not Kei lived is not the point. What was the point, in short, was that he proved to Gantz that humans arent all horrible beings - thus defeating eat. You could say that Gantz is a bitter nemesis that only sees evil in this universe. Kei, showing and proving in the end that thats not true for all beings, proves gantz wrong, even though he wants to be right. He doesnt want Kei to succeed, as you can tell from him trying to kill Kei with those insane guys. When the one with the bombs dies and Kei lives Gantz says "shit". As if he doesnt want to be proven wrong. There is however a lot more depth in the show that goes overlooked. I think in these ways its similar to FLCL. When people watch it, they expect it all to be told to them at face value without having to think. So the people who dont or want to do that or simply cant grasp the complexity's of the shows say they "suck". Which is fine, since it's your opinion and you have a "right" to it. However, i disagree, Gantz does not suck, its one of the best." |
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| For all those acting like the ending was rushed or made up, I point to the very first episode of the anime. The director had this planned since the very beginning. He just didn't want to tell anyone until a ways in. He also left massive hints. People in the fourth and final game of the anime are there on day one with Kei at the station, watching him try and help the drunk guy up with Kato. The fourth game, while made up (I like to use the term original when compared to the manga), is quite honestly the best of the bunch. There are a lot of themes running around throughout the show: philosophy, psychology, sociology (good versus evil, objectivity versus relativity, nature versus nurture, the unconscious versus conscious mind, nihilism versus existential enlightenment, apathy versus empathy, isolation versus inner-connectedness) -- most of which, believe it or not, were answered in the final scene. So it's not this vague sort of ending like some are making it out to be. Throughout the series, Gantz looks down on humanity, and during the first couple episodes we can see why. A completely nihilistic atmosphere is used to convey the characters' attitudes and emotions, with the sole exception of Kato. We are brought into their lives during their final moments. In the beginning we can hear everyone's thoughts. This again was used to portray the nihilistic attitudes of our current generation, but in addition to that it served as the opening argument to the idea of independent thought and inner-connectedness. While the beginning weighs heavily toward individualized thought patterns (much of the explicit action), one can't help but notice the director's stance with his choice to use those very same strangers when Kei and Kato pass the station the first time. They run through several tunnels, but at each station it's the same characters with a continuous thought pattern. I believe he chose this direction to illustrate how similar societies' attitudes are under nihilism. It's not nearly as individualized as the philosophy makes it out to be. Those guys and girls could have been anybody. There are numerous amounts of people who'd be thinking the same thing. The intention was to make those characters blur and become a group: nihilism as a whole. According to nihilism there is no meaning in life lest the individual recognize it as thus--their thoughts are completely separate and isolated. By showing them here as a group, we begin to see how that's not the case. By expressing their individuality, they become a big blur, a single organism of conscious thought. They're acknowledging collectively the whims of society as it pertains to one another however unaware. This connection they all share in common, and like I said is the opening volley on the argument or idea of inner-connectedness. Now fast-forward to the third game--I'm going to try and breeze through this because I didn't mean for this to become an essay. The characters find themselves taking on "Buddha." Unlike Neon Genesis Evangelion, they were actually referencing the philosophy rather than the spiritual aspects associated with the symbol. In Buddhism, the pursuit to one's self is the ultimate goal: that realization or enlightenment. Kei denies this through his personal outbursts of violence toward the aliens for using these symbols as vessels: he wants to live. It's not enough to achieve enlightenment. He's fighting to protect others. What the director did here was brilliant. Using the deaths of all his comrades, he was able to wipe the slate clean and pose the question: if you're here fighting to live or to protect someone or otherwise acknowledge some form of reality that your existence seeks to hold for yourself or for others, than is that drive still there when everything is taken away from you. After the third game, he knew there was no going back. Gantz wouldn't let him. Didn't matter if he found a way, Gantz was in control. Gantz was trying to show to him how meaningless his life truly was (existential nihilism). There was no one to protect. There was just him; frozen in this state between death and life with no possible way of returning. Gantz was trying to show him that this was all there was for him. He could choose death or "live" in this half-existence with nothing to go back to. Kei showed to him that he was wrong. Despite how much he took away, he still found a reason through the vague concept of humanity. In the fourth game, he acknowledged the existence of a universal truth. He found it in Mika Kanda. He saw everything that was good in life in her. For once, he didn't see her as an object or woman of desire. He saw her for who she truly was, an honest to God good person, and he sought to protect that. To him, she stood as a symbol of the greatness of humanity. The final argument to Gantz. He'd fight to his very last breath defending what she stood for/who she was, even knowing that Mika would not be able to return to her old life either; that she'd continue to live this half-existence with Kei... theoretically (Gantz wouldn't let her, it wanted all of them to die). Kei was fighting for an idea, showing to Gantz that as long as he still drew breath, life was worth living. Mika served as his answer as to why there was meaning to life; a reason to have a reality. Living meant something to them because it meant reaching for that natural inner peace that one can only find in a reality where their person can be expressed. Without that peace and goodwill for one's self/others there was no reason for a person or the collection of ideas they represent to persist. The meaning and answers to an individual's ideas and philosophies lie in the reality they can effect. Otherwise no substance would be needed. -- Sidenote: Mika Kanda was shown in the first episode during the train scene as well as the homeless basher. / long explanatation <----- start below if you don't want to read blob of text This will probably go over most people's heads because it grapples with a lot of abstract theories, ideas, and philosophies that represent us as individuals. But if you had to take one thing away from all this, know that the director was trying to show that Kei beat Gantz at his own game. In order to get across its point, it'd first have to snuff out the ideas Kei and Mika represented, but by killing them it was also acknowledging a truth in itself: the scary notion that life had meaning--so scary that it felt it had to stamp it out in order for it to feel better, that the world would be a better place for it without them; thereby providing meaning to an existence (it was scared of a reality with Kei and Mika in it). So not only did Kei get Gantz to acknowledge objectivism but also its own existential enlightenment. It became aware that it too sought its own answers to its own being. The director chose to illustrate this scene rather simply, by showing Gantz manipulate the environment to try and kill Kei and Mika, and Kei confronting it and making the gesture of firing a gun (that he beat it). Kei was now in control of him. The idea he represented had an effect on Gantz. The director also chose to illustrate the scene the way he did in order to pay homage to Cowboy Bebop. Can't remember where I heard it: possibly a commentary. Anyways, sorry for the ridiculously long explanation, but I thought it was needed. There were more parallels and subtext throughout the show, but this one in particular explains the last scene, which I'm sure is the reason a lot of people came here. Excuse my grammar and writing, please. I'm typing this really really fast and haven't proofread anything. I'm kind of tired after 30 minutes of typing, researching, and thinking. ...SLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz -_- |
NeoBaschAug 10, 2012 10:51 PM
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