| in the end, the last scene of the anime, everyone thought it was really Mima that appear in the car alone, or anyone thought Mima stayed in the hospital and rumi take his place?? dont know, i want to believe that it really Mima there in the car, but dont know, the anime is so confusing |
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Boeshango said: @Alboretti At the end, the two nurses can't believe that such a famous actress (that role turned into a big break) would come there. She overhears them, and now that she finally has sorted out all that crazy Rumi impersonating her shit, she's got her life back on track and a grip on her sanity, and can say with confidence, "No, I'm Real!" that what i thought in the first time, but like i said, the naime is so confusing thanks for the explanation |
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| Just watched it... Thought about it for 10 minutes. ______ ______|----X X---> MIND BLOWN / /` ---- |
| Huh? So this old, fat lady is impersonating the Mima's idol self the whole time? |
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| So, where was the otaku character actually in all of this? Was the okatu Mima's vision of what the creator of her website actually was, even though it was Rumi? Or are the otaku and Rumi actually different characters all-together? That's where I'm stumped on the whole thing. Great movie though~ |
| @piegoose I think where her fan/otaku falls in is that both he and Rumi wanted to 'preserve' Mima-rin and they were working together, which I think would explain all the personal information on the website coming from Rumi since Rumi was close to Mima and would know that kind of stuff. Having said that I don't understand the sequence toward the latter half of them movie where Mima kills her fan but then he appears to have been killed by different means (stabbing instead of the head injury) when his body is shown along with Mimas other agents (?) corpse. The stab wounds would imply that Rumi did it but Mimas visibly dishevelled after the encounter. If many of you didn't enjoy how confusing the story was I wouldn't suggest any of Satoshi Kons other works because non of them are straightforward. I don't think that's a bad thing and I'm a huge fan of his work, especially Perfect Blue and I've re watched it a handful of times. |
| @DaliPuff I think when it shows the otaku at the computer isn't sufficient evidence of him existing. It flashes Rumi at the computer at one scene of the movie, and before it likely shows the otaku because that is Mima's vision of what he/she looks like. I actually thought about it a bit more, and I think the otaku did exist in a way, but not exactly how he is shown in the movie. I think he existed in the scene where he was a body guard for the concert. In that scene he gained attention from Mima by arguing with a bunch of delinquents. Mima notices the otaku guy at that scene, and that is probably where she returns to see an image of this creepy person she imagines. At one scene Mima looks over frantically, seeing the otaku stand there watching her. Yet, at a second glance he is gone. You could say that he legitimately disappeared, but I see it as a mirage she is creating as she slowly becomes more and more paranoid. Rumi was collecting information on Mima, but I don't see why she couldn't have also been the one entering in the text on the website. |
Piegoose said: @DaliPuff I think when it shows the otaku at the computer isn't sufficient evidence of him existing. It flashes Rumi at the computer at one scene of the movie, and before it likely shows the otaku because that is Mima's vision of what he/she looks like. I actually thought about it a bit more, and I think the otaku did exist in a way, but not exactly how he is shown in the movie. I think he existed in the scene where he was a body guard for the concert. In that scene he gained attention from Mima by arguing with a bunch of delinquents. Mima notices the otaku guy at that scene, and that is probably where she returns to see an image of this creepy person she imagines. At one scene Mima looks over frantically, seeing the otaku stand there watching her. Yet, at a second glance he is gone. You could say that he legitimately disappeared, but I see it as a mirage she is creating as she slowly becomes more and more paranoid. Rumi was collecting information on Mima, but I don't see why she couldn't have also been the one entering in the text on the website. otaku is a creepy stalker. rumi is running the mima website. rumi emails back and forth with otaku pretending to be the REAL mima, and convincing him to kill people. when he gets knocked out by mima and fails to kill her rumi finishes him off. the only part i'm not fairly certain of is whether rumi killed that other agent guy or if otaku did it before attacking mima? i would assume his body's placement would imply rumi killed him? i guess it doesn't matter much in the long run though. i'm pretty sure that otaku was meant to be interpreted as actually existing in all scenes he appears in. also, while the "mami in psychward" theory to the ending is a pretty interesting idea, i just can't imagine that the ugly overweight rumi somehow successfully became a famous movie star impersonating mima... even if that last scene is a bit cheesy i think its meant to be interpreted straight. and fuck if mima doesn't deserve a happy ending after the nonstop traumatic shitfest she spends the entire movie going through. |
| It kinda felt as if the otaku waas just a means of distraction from the real culprit. And this sort of plot artifice doesn't really come to my liking. Otherwise I would like to understand what was his actual role in the story. For a while, after the ending, I felt sorry for him and thought of what about he was actually just an innocent fan and what if he actually tried to kill Rumi and not Mima? I think I remember him accusing Mima of not being the real one so maybe he was talking to Rumi instead? |
| I think I saw somewhere Rumi giving a glass of water with a drug dissolving in it, maybe she gave her some hallucinogenic so she could make her believe her distinction from reality. Also in the end the nurse stated that the psych-ward Rumi sometimes regains her persona as Rumi, so the visitor was real Mima-rin....err actress Mima. |
| the movie was great made my day |
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| amazing movie, that ending damn, amazing directing and surrealism |
| Really weird movie, made me think of Beautiful Mind |
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| Answer guy coming through beep beep Rumi is Mima's "original" personality's id (id not identification). After she got raped in the nightclub, she created the personality Rumi who dreamed of being an idol so much that she created the character Mima. Rumi is a manifestation of the desire of the original Yoko to escape her life. Eventually the idol story stops making sense in Yoko's mind, when coupled with the doctor visits so Mima has to become an actor to remedy this cognitive dissonance. The otaku stalker guy is the violent personality created to kill those who raped her at the club scene, once all of them die, with the director being last, she can kill off the personality. Who also dies in the club, though not with a screw driver as her other kills. She wacks him in the side of the head with a hammer, and no blood is shown. Later he is shown to be missing an eye next to the directors dead corpse. I think this lack of continuity is a clue that otaku is not real. Lastly after killing her rapists and her killer personality she decides to kill off Rumi which is her link to her original identity. In the end she decides that Mima is the real person with her words "I'm the real thing." Throughout the movie the MC is told to stop dreaming. Even post shooting of her drama, in a somewhat random scene. The scenes are disjointed and unexplainable, much of what happens is illogical, and the way the rape scene is shot makes it look as though it would be real. Well that's my two cents which are worth 100x anyone else's. |
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