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Holy shit, Rudy is pretty skilled. Wonderful as he says it.
I'm really starting to like this Rudy guy anyways. The drama in this episode was okay I guess, no one just seems to agree with anything lol. RIP table
The princess was pretty awesome this episode. I also have confidence in Rudy's team. Yay for Gryphons.
Very interesting episode. Rudy truly does grow on you overtime. Golden Retriever x3
Still imploring the adventurers to help defend Eastal will surely benefit both sides. It will draw the relationship between the Landers and Adventurers much closer through Laynesia acting as an intimediary, while encouraging trade and economic growth.
i can't be the only one who think it look like Krusty kidnapped the princess
hahaha, oh krusty ^_^
on serious note, **** is getting real *_*
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Death March kara hajimaru isekai kyousoukyoku translated here
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but those lords' plan was: to sacrifice a city to the goblins to weaken the goblins, so the lords could box them in right? Great episode. Minimal Akatsuki presence but she was looking fiiine.
Hmm the concept of respect and freedom really does resonate within the episode. Raynesia is such a fascinating NEET :P
While the diplomacy for me seemed a lot more enticing to watch than the Scrub Horizon skirmishes. I dunno, I think its just a preference seeing such themes incorporated into a series such as this that makes it unique
And yeah the time frames are kinda messed up. Soujiro and West Wind Brigade was supposed to be with Shirou during the relay conference.
Princess Lenessia: Empowering NEETs all over the world *slow clap*
I was semi-nerding out during that short action bit involving the Noob Newb Horizon. Magic eye drops reminded me of TES's Night Eye spell. Then when Rudy enchanted Tohya's sword I was like "frost damage!" Illusion and Enchantment skills ftw~!
Michitaka went berserk on the table. GG table, you will not be missed. Oh and that invisible glasses lift he did was hilarious lmao!
When Akatsuki was shown, my roommate was like "simple fan service?" Absolute territory.
Next week: it's raiding time!
xcheeJan 25, 2014 6:13 AM
"May those who accept their fate be granted happiness."
I just thought of something if the players where transported to there game avatars is it possible that people of the land such as in this case the Knights of Izumo got transported to the real world maybe even the players bodies?
Also I can't believe how the politics are so well made in this series, it is amazing i think the author would be a great politician if he ever wanted to try.
God i love Rudy he does grow on you and the princess too she is going to become quite the important figure in relations with the people of the land and the adventurers.
DaBlackShinigami said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but those lords' plan was: to sacrifice a city to the goblins to weaken the goblins, so the lords could box them in right? Great episode. Minimal Akatsuki presence but she was looking fiiine.
sacrify a city to weaken the goblin army, then attack the army itself. in the light novel it was mentioned that, even though it is walled, the majority of the people will die
Most cities were able to survive a siege for months, but as the goblins attacked the fortress, they could raid the surrounding villages and communities, destroying the farms and hide in the hills when reinforcements came to save the city. Their motives were food and treasures, not to occupy the city. Thinking about it this way, they were not an army, but armed refugees.
The mountain ranges in the northeast region of the Yamato archipelago faced a serious problem. A big coalition like an army was unable to cooperate and support each other in this type of terrain.
Duke Sergead pressed his aching temple with his fingers and thought.
(The decision of this meeting is probably going to be using all forces to surround and destroy the enemy... We can only accept the fact we will lose a lot of men in this war of attrition... But the problem in this case is which noble will lead the vanguard.)
Leading the vanguard sounded like a honorable role, but they were actually going to be cannon fodder.
...First of all, a certain fortress city would be surrounded and besieged. This fortress would need to strengthen its defense to resist the goblins. The goblins would tire from laying siege, and the League's army would surround and destroy them.
This was a proper war strategy in military terms.
And it was probably the only way to destroy the goblins. But this strategy needed a city fortress to be the bait.
The candidates were first Tsukaba, followed by Duke Sergead's city Maihama.
All the nobles understood this.
But they dared not say it.
For a city to be under siege meant accepting all the farms and fields they had tilled would be razed to the ground and many citizens' lives would be lost. 'Be the bait' were not words you could utter easily.
the other options was to send the adventures to destroy the goblin army. though adventures are not gods and are not obliged to save the world, instead they are free to choose what they are going to do
To avoid that, the 'League of Freedom Towns Eastal' needed to pull the Round Table Council and the Adventurers to the battlefield no matter what concessions they had to give.
But there was a major misunderstanding on their part.
The Round Table Council was a governing body that administrated the function of the city, but they did not rule over Akiba.
The Adventurers were free individuals, the guilds and individuals were not restricted in any way. This concept was an unspoken rule in Akiba. For players like Shiroe who viewed Elder Tales as a game, this was something obvious and not worth mentioning.
If Akiba was riddled with rules and bound the freedom of the Adventurers, it would create undue stress among the Adventurers.
The ambassadors from the Round Table Council led by Krusty had the authority to provide military assistance against the goblin army, but they also needed to fulfill a condition. There was only one condition, they needed to get the support of the Adventurers in Akiba when they announced their decision to send aid.
If they failed to do this, Shiroe and the other ambassadors would lose their standings in Akiba.
Although the current Akiba was unable to sustain itself economically in terms of food, it was very strong in the military aspect. With the development of new products using the knowledge of the old world, they would definitely improve on this and build a strong economy.
Put simply, it was hard to entice Akiba with rewards since Akiba was a prosperous and rich city.
Since neither gold nor provision of technology would work, 'League of Freedom Towns Eastal' had nothing to negotiate with. In reality, Akiba needed a lot of raw resources such as food. The players with their knowledge of the old world were always striving for comfort, they would not be satisfied with tasteless soggy crackers anymore.
But the nobles did not notice this in their short period of time together.
Shiroe already had a plan in mind to hint at what concessions the Round Table Council would want if the meeting progressed peacefully and to handle the necessary negotiation.
But some of the nobles led by Marquis Kyriva exploded emotionally forcing the meeting to a stalemate and Shiroe was unable to play his cards.
(She might not know this, but she not only rescued the nobles, she also saved the Round Table Council.)
though on a second note, it seems they cut away lots of the inner monolouges of the discussion
EDIT: my only downpoint is that they didnt show how krusty summoned the griffon and shocked everyone (except the adventures), especially the face of the princess >_>
but oh well
UrekJan 25, 2014 5:38 AM
current LN reading:
Death March kara hajimaru isekai kyousoukyoku translated here
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DaBlackShinigami said: Correct me if I'm wrong, but those lords' plan was: to sacrifice a city to the goblins to weaken the goblins, so the lords could box them in right? Great episode. Minimal Akatsuki presence but she was looking fiiine.
sacrify a city to weaken the goblin army, then attack the army itself. in the light novel it was mentioned that, even though it is walled, the majority of the people will die
Most cities were able to survive a siege for months, but as the goblins attacked the fortress, they could raid the surrounding villages and communities, destroying the farms and hide in the hills when reinforcements came to save the city. Their motives were food and treasures, not to occupy the city. Thinking about it this way, they were not an army, but armed refugees.
The mountain ranges in the northeast region of the Yamato archipelago faced a serious problem. A big coalition like an army was unable to cooperate and support each other in this type of terrain.
Duke Sergead pressed his aching temple with his fingers and thought.
(The decision of this meeting is probably going to be using all forces to surround and destroy the enemy... We can only accept the fact we will lose a lot of men in this war of attrition... But the problem in this case is which noble will lead the vanguard.)
Leading the vanguard sounded like a honorable role, but they were actually going to be cannon fodder.
...First of all, a certain fortress city would be surrounded and besieged. This fortress would need to strengthen its defense to resist the goblins. The goblins would tire from laying siege, and the League's army would surround and destroy them.
This was a proper war strategy in military terms.
And it was probably the only way to destroy the goblins. But this strategy needed a city fortress to be the bait.
The candidates were first Tsukaba, followed by Duke Sergead's city Maihama.
All the nobles understood this.
But they dared not say it.
For a city to be under siege meant accepting all the farms and fields they had tilled would be razed to the ground and many citizens' lives would be lost. 'Be the bait' were not words you could utter easily.
the other options was to send the adventures to destroy the goblin army. though adventures are not gods and are not obliged to save the world, instead they are free to choose what they are going to do
To avoid that, the 'League of Freedom Towns Eastal' needed to pull the Round Table Council and the Adventurers to the battlefield no matter what concessions they had to give.
But there was a major misunderstanding on their part.
The Round Table Council was a governing body that administrated the function of the city, but they did not rule over Akiba.
The Adventurers were free individuals, the guilds and individuals were not restricted in any way. This concept was an unspoken rule in Akiba. For players like Shiroe who viewed Elder Tales as a game, this was something obvious and not worth mentioning.
If Akiba was riddled with rules and bound the freedom of the Adventurers, it would create undue stress among the Adventurers.
The ambassadors from the Round Table Council led by Krusty had the authority to provide military assistance against the goblin army, but they also needed to fulfill a condition. There was only one condition, they needed to get the support of the Adventurers in Akiba when they announced their decision to send aid.
If they failed to do this, Shiroe and the other ambassadors would lose their standings in Akiba.
Although the current Akiba was unable to sustain itself economically in terms of food, it was very strong in the military aspect. With the development of new products using the knowledge of the old world, they would definitely improve on this and build a strong economy.
Put simply, it was hard to entice Akiba with rewards since Akiba was a prosperous and rich city.
Since neither gold nor provision of technology would work, 'League of Freedom Towns Eastal' had nothing to negotiate with. In reality, Akiba needed a lot of raw resources such as food. The players with their knowledge of the old world were always striving for comfort, they would not be satisfied with tasteless soggy crackers anymore.
But the nobles did not notice this in their short period of time together.
Shiroe already had a plan in mind to hint at what concessions the Round Table Council would want if the meeting progressed peacefully and to handle the necessary negotiation.
But some of the nobles led by Marquis Kyriva exploded emotionally forcing the meeting to a stalemate and Shiroe was unable to play his cards.
(She might not know this, but she not only rescued the nobles, she also saved the Round Table Council.)
though on a second note, it seems they cut away lots of the inner monolouges of the discussion
EDIT: my only downpoint is that they didnt show how krusty summoned the griffon and shocked everyone (except the adventures), especially the face of the princess >_>
but oh well
Thanks for the confirmation. I was confused because it seemed like they could choose which city would be the bait (leading me to think they were talking about trapping the adventurers and not the goblins lol) thanks again
NettoAzure said: Rudy truly does grow on you overtime.
^ Right xD
Gotta give it to the princess for this ep too, nice one :D
Agreed; I thought he was a pompous ass in the beginning but I'm beginning to like him.
Also, I actually watched the OP for once (I always listen to the music, but try not to pay attention as it can drop spoilers from time to time); I hope they weren't showing Rudy's death when he was laying out on the ground in the OP -.-
The ep 18 preview looked interesting but are they going low on budget? At least in KissAnime the quality dropped from 1080p to 480p which is a little worrisome.
best part of Log Horizon is all female characters are really shined, and their action is actually impacting the story. not just exist to be part of protagonist harem(wow that sound similar to *AO).
EDIT: my only downpoint is that they didnt show how krusty summoned the griffon and shocked everyone (except the adventures), especially the face of the princess >_>
EDIT: my only downpoint is that they didnt show how krusty summoned the griffon and shocked everyone (except the adventures), especially the face of the princess >_>
but oh well
Can u link me the part in the LN?
volume 04 I dont know which part tho.. but try reading the 4th vol. there lies your answer
Anon1409 said: The ep 18 preview looked interesting but are they going low on budget? At least in KissAnime the quality dropped from 1080p to 480p which is a little worrisome.
You probably watched the episode right when it was uploaded to Kissanime. They just hadn't uploaded the high version so only the 480p version was available. I watched the episode from Kissanime and it was 1080p and the animation quality was the same as from previous episodes.
Blackbird said: Is it just me that felt the pace is so much faster than LN?
Yes, it was faster, but they had to fit it all into a single episode.
Barion-Zara said:
Urek said:
EDIT: my only downpoint is that they didnt show how krusty summoned the griffon and shocked everyone (except the adventures), especially the face of the princess >_>
but oh well
Can u link me the part in the LN?
She was just going with the flow in her heart and making it up as she went:
"The Adventurers are free!... We might be weaker than the Adventurers, but that doesn't mean we can use our weakness to bully the Adventurers and use them like tools. I want to go to Akiba and plead with the Adventurers in that city. Krusty-sama says the Adventurers are free, so if any Adventurers are willing to help, they will not intervene. Be it 10 or 15 people, I want volunteers who are willing to aid us. Since we want to ask the free-spirited Adventurers for help, we need to have the proper etiquette. My grandfather taught me that proper etiquette cannot be expressed with only elegant words, so I want to go there and stand on the street to plead with each Adventurer face-to-face!"
She said.
She said it out loud.
Raynesia had lost all her vitality and almost collapsed dizzily, but a pair of hands supported her shoulders.
"Can I leave the rest to you, Shiroe-kun?"
"Allow me to reject, it will be a shame if I miss this."
"...Then let's leave it to Michitaka-dono."
The lightheaded Raynesia felt the conversation seemed to be coming from far away.
There was a sharp sound of a flute and there was an uproar in the meeting room.
This was followed by a rush of footsteps and the voices of angry arguments.
Raynesia moved as if she was guided by her partner in a dance and she was in the open balcony with the gentle night breeze before she knew it. She turned her head and saw the meeting room in chaos and a few knights rushing after her. The one leading the knights was her respected and stern grandfather.
"Will you be going there?"
Her mind was confused and unable to think about anything, but her grandfather's voice was like shining letters in the clear night sky going straight into her mind. She nodded to acknowledge and seemed to feel her grandfather's smile, but that was probably her imagination.
She only held on to this thought for an instant.
A horrifying winged beast... a griffon glided in with the rising air. Raynesia was lifted off her feet like luggage before she could scream.
"Please excuse my impudence."
This leisurely voice came from the warrior Krusty.
He held her with his strong arms and jumped onto the back of the griffon with the power of his legs.
"You will be fine if you hold on tight."
Raynesia might have fainted if his voice was not so casual. The griffon took off into the starry night sky with the 2 of them on it.
The griffon with the young mage and a girl with black hair flew beside them.
Her grandfather and the nobles' meeting were left behind.
Raynesia held on to Krusty's chest tightly to avoid her gown from being blown away.
And so the whim of Raynesia caused her to tumble down an endless slope.
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They also left out the scene where the maid is protecting the NEET princess from the angry nobles too. They should have shown that part instead of showing Akatsuki spying. As usual, they censor out the part about the noble cursing at her, though they weren't specific about that in the LN as well.
EDIT: my only downpoint is that they didnt show how krusty summoned the griffon and shocked everyone (except the adventures), especially the face of the princess >_>
Princess Lenessia turns out to be the only noble who knows how to deal with the goblins! I really love the side-plot with Minori and co. - Rudy getting the gauntlets from the rest of the group was too cute.
This anime is so cute I actually cry almost every episode because it's so lovely
heiqi1hu said: Ah, i thought that griffon was by shiroe...
krusty looked rather cute here with princess...
I think in the LN he summoned the griffon in front of their face or something on the spot. Krusty's also an achieved adventurer so he did the quest with the griffons also :)
Minori's group took out a small percentage of the goblins, little effort of taking out all the goblins. The meeting was intriguing, and the Izumo Knights were missing huh. Well, the Princess shines on in the end about her strategy and motivation.
I partially regret having read the volume in advance because it makes waiting for the next episode harder.
But Baka-Tsuki had the first 5 volumes already translated and it's just so hard to resist...
The little Hime is performing admirably though, and next episode it'll be even better.
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’
Finally the two sides meet and as always it is a shmorgishborg of strategy, for some reason I find these type of things in Log Horizon to be my favorite parts. This is such a great slow paced anime.