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| Not as powerful as the previous two episodes, but a good finale. I loved the last few minutes. Before watching this episode I was hoping they wouldn't pull a Clannad by bringing them back to life or going back in time to an alternate reality by granting wishes/magic, but they pulled off saving the class without making me cringe. |
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| There be some ridiculous long posts in this thread. The rescue from the bus was not that emotional imo. The whole Riki and Rin getting stronger means if they didn't repeat time to get "stronger" they would of either died with the rest or ran away from the accident and be emotional wrecked because they were too "weak" to try and save the friends they loved bc Riki and Rin were followers not leaders. Come on. It doesn't resonate with me. Glad the majority like it. It wasn't bad but it wasn't an emotional either. Had it's moments at the end but seemed awfully try hard for what it was in the end. I guess I prefer more magic in my Key shows. The magical realm in this to make Riki and Rin stronger was just cheapened by the fact that nobody actually died in the accident. They were all alive and were just rescued. Meaning Riki and Rin had the choice to save or to abdomen friends since they weren't unconscious. I don't feel this huge thing to make their wills stronger was necessary given the outcome. But again, glad everyone enjoyed it. That's what is important. Just didn't do it for me story or characters. |
IZEROIIDec 28, 2013 5:36 PM
IZEROII said: There be some ridiculous long posts in this thread. The rescue from the bus was not that emotional imo. The whole Riki and Rin getting stronger means if they didn't repeat time to get "stronger" they would of either died with the rest or ran away from the accident and be emotional wrecked because they were too "weak" to try and save the friends they loved bc Riki and Rin were followers not leaders. Come on. It doesn't resonate with me. Glad the majority like it. It wasn't bad but it wasn't an emotional either. Had it's moments at the end but seemed awfully try hard for what it was in the end. I guess I prefer more magic in my Key shows. The magical realm in this to make Riki and Rin stronger was just cheapened by the fact that nobody actually died in the accident. They were all alive and were just rescued. Meaning Riki and Rin had the choice to save or to abdomen friends since they weren't unconscious. I don't feel this huge thing to make their wills stronger was necessary given the outcome. But again, glad everyone enjoyed it. That's what is important. Just didn't do it for me story or characters. Don't mean to hate but... 'abdomen friends'? That's uh... that's a pretty big typo bro. |
| What beautiful happy ending. Didn't expect that. 8.5/10 |
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| Well I guess it was alright the ending and all. Don't think it could have been done any other way. Felt a bit rushed though. I really liked how they adapted the rescue scene from the VN. It's more concise and makes more sense. Overall not a terrible job from J.C. Staff as I expected. Dat bromance Kyousuke x Riki forever~ |
WhoozerDec 28, 2013 6:55 PM
| And it ended. I think i like this more than Clannad. |
| I had my doubts about this series in the beginning. But, i'm glad I decided to give the Little Busters the benefit of the doubt. I enjoyed this series. 7/10. |
| OMG I can't stop crying T___T. Throughout this series: Kyousuke and the others were helping Riki and Rin prepare for this incident. So they could live on without them. But Riki and Rin found the strength to save everyone from the accident. Which wasn't part of Kyusuke's plan. Yet it exceeded his expectation of Riki and Rin. If Riki didn't wake up from his narcolepsy and he never found the strength to save them, the bus would have killed everyone except Rin? Since she was atop of the hill. Question? The bus exploded yet Riki, Rin, and Kyousuke are alright. Is this another dream world or are we back to the real world?? |
| Pfft just wanted my riki and rin scene but fck it, still 6/10 for me, the episode went to quickly and had a lot of still pictures more then animation.. |
| que magical deus ex machine ending |
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| Is the VN like 1000 times better than this was? From the show I just don't see what all the fuss was about. This is the only Maeda story that didn't make me burst into tears. |
AsherFischell said: Is the VN like 1000 times better than this was? From the show I just don't see what all the fuss was about. This is the only Maeda story that didn't make me burst into tears. Yep. A lot of readers feel it shits on all of Key's anime, in fact, including myself of course. It's basically similar drama, except fully fleshed out, and you'll have spent much more time with characters who are more charming, more fleshed out, with more dynamic comedy, romance between the heroines, and by the end of the show, the characters all feel like friends you've become attached with, and you'd actually feel like you're Riki, and not just watching him. There's a lot more stuff that's more engaging in the VN, but I don't have the time to write a 10 page essay right now. |
| I think it is really unrealistic that no one died in the bus crash. I am not talking about how Riki and Rin saved everyone from the explosion, but just the initial crash and fall over the mountain side. No one was wearing seat belts. At least a handful of kids would have died just from the impact and being thrown around the vehicle. |
GarLogan78 said: I think it is really unrealistic that no one died in the bus crash. I am not talking about how Riki and Rin saved everyone from the explosion, but just the initial crash and fall over the mountain side. No one was wearing seat belts. At least a handful of kids would have died just from the impact and being thrown around the vehicle. Apparently buses and other compartmentalised (I think that's the right word?) vehicles are actually better without seatbelts or something. Whether or not that's enough to explain the lack of deaths, who knows? |
| Well, the anime also exaggerates some things, but the VN actually just said "the bus fell off a cliff". Maeda in charge of bus physics, anyways~ |
MCAL said: AsherFischell said: Is the VN like 1000 times better than this was? From the show I just don't see what all the fuss was about. This is the only Maeda story that didn't make me burst into tears. And then you have people like me who says this is a fine adaption. Obviously the VN is better (It always is), but the only way to find out is to play for yourself and don't listen to a single person. And that includes me. Well, I'll always maintain that the type of drama in Little Busters is something that isn't quite instantly engaging, and you really have to understand Riki's position, because the events seem relatively melodramatic if you can't really consider them to be as important as he feels they are. It makes things like episodes 4,5, part of 6, 7 seem pretty weak. The changes in character came off as worrisome, and things not going smoothly feel saddening in the VN. I think it's harder to really get into perspective with the anime, when you're seeing the events as they are on-screen, and at such a quick pace at that. The whole "friends leaving me" thing is something that I don't think is quite as compelling in the anime. There are a lot of other aspects like Kengo and Kyousuke's arc that start to make the tension more serious, but after the farewells, the ending was pretty weak. I think some people were expecting some adult-like drama, but put into perspective, I never cared for most drama as much as I felt for the stuff while reading Little Busters and other VNs. The difference between the Little Busters being Riki's friend instead of your friends creates a whole different experience when you watch. People are watching it weekly as well, and don't exactly come back to the show saying "Oh man, I wonder what will happen to my precious Little Busters this time!" I dunno, I just really think it's hard to get immersed in the anime for a lot of reasons. @holdonbaby And this is why in the VN, there are two different endings, and you're forced to face the tragic end of the Little Busters in one timeline before they can be saved through magic. The interpretation is totally different, imo, and the fact that the Little Busters are saved feels like gratification for beating the VN, but it doesn't hinder replayability, because like with something like Clannad, people who rewatch After Story will always look forward to episode 21, where Key delivers the final blow. The true ending doesn't really hinder the enjoyment, but on a rewatch, I can see it being an issue because JC Staff didn't go through with the tragic ending in any sense. They eliminated the rewatchability along with the Key magic, I feel. I personally enjoy the true ending because there's some Kyousuke x Riki shipping and nice scenes at the end, and they're fun to watch. It's gratifying seeing Riki reuinte with his friends with the epilogue in the VN. But on the other hand, when I reread parts of Refrain, I'm focused on the Riki, Rin, Masato, Kengo, and Kyousuke that are all approaching the tragic end. The true end is something I've always kept partitioned from the story. I'm sure a lot of others have done this as well, hence why VN readers cried to episode 11. We were all feeling the incoming tragic end. |
Vladz0rDec 28, 2013 8:55 PM
| "I hope there's an explanation behind those magic" Da fuck? When's the last time you questioned the magic in Alladin or Harry Potter? and for those of you who cry "Dues Ex Machina"... For the 7264984th time... Look up the meaning of the term!!!!! Otherwise.. I feel that there's a lot more potential to Little Busters than what JC Staff have shown us. To be frank, I really liked Little Busters's theme, and I really favor it's side characters over those from Clannad. It's a good show, really good. It's just not as good as Clannad by Kyoto Animation. (imo, KyoAni, over the course of adapting 3 Key's VN being Air to Kanon to Clannad, have already perfected their art of adapting Visual Novels) Gatha give props to JC Staff for giving us LB! It's still overshadowed by Clannad After Story... Then again, Clannad was a masterpiece.(Jun Maeda himself once claimed that he don't think he'll ever be able to write something of Clannad's quality again) Basically... LB is good, people are just comparing it to it's amazing predecessor. |
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| In the end when Kyousuke was driving the mini-bus, I swear I was scared as hell that he would have crashed somewhere. (After all, there were already two road accidents, of course I'm worried when I see someone driving in LB) Anyway, I'm such a lover of happy endings, but deep in down of me I wished for a tragic end, a kind of more memorable. 9/10 though, the fact that I cried as a little kiddy in episode 10 still remains. Kyosuke best bro. I'm planning to play the VN since everyone is talking good about it. Also thanks to @Vladz0r with the gallery and his neverending posts that convinced me. Oh, btw, almost forgot. Do everyone out in the real world remember what happened in the world created by Kyosuke? |
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AirStyles said: Then again, Clannad was a masterpiece.(Jun Maeda himself once claimed that he don't think he'll ever be able to write something of Clannad's quality again) And then he made the same claim with Refrain, lol. Sadly, this anime doesn't represent the Little Busters VN as well as the Clannad adaptation represents the Clannad VN. Aside from the Clannad side routes skipping thing, After Story doesn't have the issues the LB anime has. But yeah, Little Busters did a lot of work to make it feel like the entire group were YOUR friends. It's a tough thing to replicate in the anime with Riki being so potent as the protagonist instead of the player. It would've been hard to come close, and would've taken some more enjoyable episodes for much more character attachment, more budget and better pacing to flesh out the characters more extensively. It would probably result in the anime being less than amazing to watch weekly if done wrong. 43% of the VN consists of the common route, plus you need to re-play it each time. The anime has about 11 episodes worth of common route material by comparison, so about 28%. There's a ton in terms of making the Little Busters feel like you very own set of friends that couldn't be done with these limitations. It got the core story, but it feels like more like watching Riki's story and everything collapse around him than having it be about you, the player.(watcher in the anime, I guess) The narrative felt structured around the player, so having Riki as a character changes stuff up, sometimes for better, sometimes for worse. And then just add on the other things about pacing, execution, animation, etc, and you wind up with a story that people won't find to be as great as the Clannad anime. |
Vladz0rDec 28, 2013 9:12 PM
| Mixed feelings. It was great for me either way, but I think the tragic normal end to get to the true end was sorely missed. Not having experienced the VN of course, I just felt like a step was somehow missed. I still think it was fitting for all of Riki's(and Rin's) development to come right to fruition. Will certainly play the VN some day, but this was still a great one. |
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Vladz0r said: Aside from the Clannad side routes skipping thing, After Story doesn't have the issues the LB anime has. Maybe 4 years down the line, KyoAni might adapt Little Busters? (Like they did for Kanon) |
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MCAL said: AirStyles said: Vladz0r said: Aside from the Clannad side routes skipping thing, After Story doesn't have the issues the LB anime has. Maybe 4 years down the line, KyoAni might adapt Little Busters? (Like they did for Kanon) First off NO! Second off, why do you think JC Staff even got Little Busters in the first place? Because KyoAni was too busy with other shows for a long time and KEY wanted to get it adapted so J.C got it, derp. |
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| haven't played the VN yet, but this is the good ending right? |
animelover6644 said: haven't played the VN yet, but this is the good ending right? True ending, yes. |
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| Meh, I'm all for a KyoAni remake if they can learn from JC Staff's story structure and actually make the scenes look good, have the story be presented smoothly, and make the comedy enjoyable. I don't really see how they could screw up when they did a good job with After Story, but whatever. And as for the endings, that's the 5% of Little Busters I don't really give a fuck about, so they can pull Key time magic BS all they want. I don't give JC Staff so much credit just because they made things like Rin's the development, Komari, and the common route into more of a story, when they couldn't make the comedy and scenes from Rin and Refrain nearly as enjoyable as I would've liked. I would've liked the story actually being engaging for people and getting to see people experience things like Masato's arc closer to what I felt in the VN. But yeah, I don't see Little Busters getting a remake unless Key's assets (Rewrite, Angel Beats) become exhausted first. KyoAni doing good/bad are based on all sorts of different assumptions, and Little Busters' story structure is different from Clannad by nature, so I don't think it would've been done the same way. I can't imagine them possibly making cheap tricks or the farewells look bad or as lacking in impact as I felt they were, but whatever. |
| Finally I can give my thoughts on this series overall. Before I do, I was a Anime-only viewer threw out Season 1 and 2 and my views will definitely be different than everyone else. You don't have to agree with me but at least respect my opinion. That being said for this final episode of Little Busters! Refrain, I loved it I Loved It I LOVED IT!!!! I am completely satisfied with this happy ending and how everything turned out with Riki and Rin saving not only Kyousuke and the rest of the Little Busters but their whole class as well. I did kind of expect some Key Magic to come into play here but it was more meaningful that Riki and Rin was able to save them on their own and seeing everyone together again on the beach having fun filled me with joy. A solid final episode for sure. Now as for the series as a whole, I can easily say that Little Busters!/Refrain is my favorite Key Anime. The key word to that is "Anime" because I saw this series as an Anime first and not find any differences from the Visual Novel. I never played the VN so I don't know what was done right or what was rushed or whatever you want to say. Besides not every adaption of anything will fellow the source material exactly and there will be changes. Same applies with movie adaptions of books, there's always going to be some changes whether we like it or not. The reason why Little Busters!/Refrain is my favorite Key Anime is for one simple fact, it's cast of characters is my favorite from any Key series to date. I stated before that I love the characters of Little Busters! and this season further cements it. I cared about everyone of them, Riki, Rin, Kyousuke, everyone. Clannad/After Story and Angel Beats! did this too but not in the same way Little Busters!/Refrain did for me. I grown so attached to the Little Busters! threw out Season 1 and 2 with there message of friendship that it easily makes my Top 10 Favorite Animes. Although Clannad still has my favorite Key couple, Tomoya and Nagisa, so it has that at least. So overall, I think JC Staff did a fantastic job here. I believed that they could do it and I think they did so bravo JC Staff, you successfully made me cry tears of sadness and joy for 4 straight weeks. I give Little Busters! (S1) a 9/10 and Little Busters! Refrain a 10/10 I'm going to miss watching this series and reading Random Curiosity's blogs every Saturday. I agree with everything he had to say. http://randomc.net/category/little-busters/ LITTLE BUSTERS! FOREVER!!! |
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| I cried since the episode begun. The only thing I complained about was they didn´t adapt the girls epilogue. The rest seems fine. Final thought (as a VN player): If well I expected more, I´m satisfied with the second season. 8/10 That means: 1st season= 6/10 2nd season= 8/10 OVA= 6,50/10 VN= 10/10 OVERALL: 7,6/10 >>> 8/10 :) |
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| I remember when I saw the preview after the first season ended, I was so excited. I've been waiting to watch this since then. The wait was worth it. Woohoo! Happy ending! I really enjoyed watching this series, though I kind of wanted to see what they could have done if this was 24 episodes instead. Either way, gotta say thanks to J.C. for adapting this. I couldn't stop smiling when Kyousuke came in through the window and Little Busters! started to play. Great ending indeed. |
Lolicon said: I was going to give this show a 10/10 but the last episode didn't meet my expectations/hopes so I'll give it a 9/10. A Riki x Rin kiss scene would of been nice and might of earned it a 10, but a death scene would if defiantly earned it a 10....oh well. this |
| @fauzty Well, that doesn't change the facts that there are a lot of people who got more out of Little Busters than in any of Key's anime, including at least 10 of friends on Skype alone. In the words of a fallen hero due to JC Staff's adaptation... http://puu.sh/625Mh.jpg There's like a handful of you guys who think this adaptation seriously turned out to be great. Sorry that not everyone was as satisfied as you guys were, but I personally hate this predicament, I hate that the Little Busters anime is so hit-or-miss, and I hate that people shittalk the adaptation of this story and somehow enjoyed a ton of other shit that are in a similar genre or other Key works much much more. Ah well, it's been [igreat arguing with you guys. I'm glad some of you actually provide meaningful discussions to show how JC Staff improved things, because structurally, I think JC Staff had a lot of good ideas, but when it came to building up and delivering the events, most of the time I was underwhelmed, especially this season. |
Vladz0rDec 28, 2013 10:25 PM
Vladz0r said: Yayayayayay Little Jumpers~ No kiss for the Rinfags, Mission Complete! lol. They made the right decision there. |
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