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| Loved this episode. and the development |
| Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to Suffering. (Yoda) |
| I seriously can't get enough of this ED. |
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| It was the real hollow shadow, The person insulting the show didnt watch the ending so he didnt see the epilogue scene where they explain what happened. Stay classy Mal. Mod Edit: provocative words modified. |
ThangLongOct 25, 2013 11:54 AM
comonad said: Kaioshin_Sama said: I think you need to rewatch the episode to catch the subtleties. The Hollow Shadow was real as far as I can tell. Its just that the stone thing got swapped out after it was defeated, so they don't realize it. Its very clear that she disappears in mid conversation, but it seems like she no longer has the skill to fight her. It was pointed out earlier that her powers should not be as strong as they were, which means that perhaps the dream world has some connection to her stronger powers. Also remember that she was bleeding like mad when she hugged Aki. She basically burned the youmi part of him until it subsided using her blood. It was not the power of love. Listen for the sizzling sounds. There's that word subtlety again that the internet has managed to all but destroy by now. If the Hollow was real than it was a huge let down after all that talk about how hard it would be for them to manage. Mirai made it look like it was nothing....like seriously she had more trouble dealing with the mysteriously in and out of the scene Sakura than she did the shadow. Once it was down to business it was like it was nothing and makes me wonder where the story goes from here. In all fairness it's possible the blood did the job, though of course it's never explained exactly why or how? So does that mean that Akihito is mortal and fully human now? If so how does that work? I'd like to see the show actually deal with this stuff but somehow I doubt it will. A lot of stuff that could be interesting or seems like it should be important is just glossed over by this show or just explained matter of factly and kind of just tossed aside (i.e Sakura) but oh well I guess. SolviteSekai said: It was the real hollow shadow, The idiot insulting the show didnt watch the ending so he didnt see the epilogue scene where they explain what happened. Stay classy Mal. Caught the scene now, but it still doesn't really explain why all the hushed tones about this thing when in the long run it was dispatched so readily by Mirai. If that Sakura ninja girl hadn't appeared this arc might have even ended last episode it was that much of a gong show in the end. Mod Edit: Quote tower put into spoiler tag. |
ThangLongOct 25, 2013 11:25 AM
| 1. Mirai is the most powerful Spirit Warrior in the world. She didnt want to kill Sakura because she is her best friends little sister. 2. It was the Hollow Shadow. You didnt bother to watch the ED and missed the scene explaining it. 3. Kyo Ani doesn't read this and they don't care that a fat ass white kid doesn't like their anime that has aired 4 of its 12 episodes. 4. Her blood subdued his power because again, her blood is massively powerful. Welcome to the entire fucking plot about why nobody whom is mortal will go near her. Mod Edit: provocative words removed. |
ThangLongOct 25, 2013 11:48 AM
Ajunky said: Kaioshin_Sama said: It's easy, the blood does whatever needs to be done at the moment. Simple, right? >_>In all fairness it's possible the blood did the job, though of course it's never explained exactly why or how? The blood melts human flesh. The increased stress on the Demon form forced it into remission. Mod Edit: provocative words removed. |
ThangLongOct 25, 2013 10:36 AM
Ajunky said: SolviteSekai said: And then it's stops hurting the guy, just because.Ajunky said: Kaioshin_Sama said: It's easy, the blood does whatever needs to be done at the moment. Simple, right? >_>In all fairness it's possible the blood did the job, though of course it's never explained exactly why or how? The blood melts human flesh. The increased stress on the Demon form forced it into remission. The blood boiled for about as long as it boiled on the trees. Mod Edit: provocative words removed. |
ThangLongOct 25, 2013 10:38 AM
| Every anime uses tropes and cliches. The crazy thing is for all the morons on the forums claiming people like shows just because they are made by Kyo Ani, it is pretty obvious on mal that WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more people hate shows on mal just because they are kyo ani. Look no further than the current Clannad hate thread on the gaming board, and of course the "Is Kyo Ani Dead" thread on this very forum. |
| Everyone hating this show (well, it's only one person for now but w/e): you are overstepping your bounds. If you hate a show and have NOT dropped it after 3 episodes, it is like putting your hand on the hot oven, pulling it away yelling OUCH! and then putting it on the oven again, lather rinse repeat. So get lost already or STFU BTT Got some nice kyoani quality action scenes here. I loved them all. And as expected, they managed to make Mirai as cute as a button while still beaing a total badass. Cutest scene: In the end when she told him he looked like a normal creepy glasses loving guy. She looked ahead (not in his direction) and shot a quick glance in his direction. At this point my moedar exploded. Lucky I order them in bulk. |
| I want Rambo in a mecha-suit with a laser-chainsaw gun that fires nuclear warheads, fighting the love-child of Predator, Alien, a group of Bangladeshi terrorists, and Satan. (Actually that would be a pretty sick show) - StopDropAndBowl |
| best episode |
| good episode lots of action |
Ajunky said: SolviteSekai said: Again, it does what needs to be done and nothing more, it's a conveniet excuse to drive the plot just as it was a convenient excuse to have the girl hug the guy.And seriously, stop typing the sounds you make in front of the computer, no one cares about your verbal tics. I think that does what it does and nothing more is a perfect way to sum up this show. Like most Kyoani works it's content to just be middle of the road and play it episode to episode without any desire to truly stand out or be anything more. For people with low standards or Kyoani fanboys I guess that translates into top tier material, but for me the experience is middling. And I refuse to drop this show because that would be too easy. I want there to be at least one person remaining in these threads that questions the stuff this show throws at us and who can point out some of it's inconsistencies and short comings instead of just the usual one off praises that dominate every Kyoani series thread on MAL. I'm not letting this show or the fanboys off anywhere near this easy sorry. Mod Edit: provocative words in quote removed. Quote tower put into spoiler tag. |
ThangLongOct 25, 2013 11:31 AM
Ajunky said: Indeed, Mitsuki's mom did it. She switched the hollow shadow's stone with a normal one in the confusion... but couldn't she leave at least a pricier one? talk about making a new meaning for "petty thief" XD niaxato said: So who was the chick that stole the hollow shadow's stone? Was that the teacher? Looks like she is double crossing the Society for some old wheelchair bound geezer. It wasn't their mom, that was Mitsuki's and Hiroomi's (the scarf guy) big sister. |
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| LMAO DAT RINGTONE!!! |
| Dang, Mirai got ripped off. That stone was worth over 9000 yen I bet. |
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Takuan_Soho said: Kaioshin_Sama said: One kind of not shitty episode and this instantly jumps into top seller position for this season. Absolutely and utterly disgusting. And people like symbv still claim there isn't a contingent that won't always support Kyoani no matter how mediocre their shows are. Sigh.....such a joke. You know, I don't have any skin in KyoAni game, but watching you get so pissed every time they succeed is starting to become my favorite past time here. You got me rooting for KyoAni just to watch you go ballistic every time they put the ball into play; it's better accompaniment than rich, savory butter popcorn. And insane on top of it, you completely don't realize that your argument was self defeating. If there really was a contingent that "always" supported KyoAni "no matter" what, then their shows would be best sellers before the season began. That their sales only spiked after the "kind of not shitty episode" demonstrates that far from being "always supportiing" KyoAni, most people are waiting to see how the show develops before supporting it, and only commit after they understand that KyoAni once again is making a high quality show worth watching over again on BD. Hardly convincing that you have no stake in the Kyoani game here otherwise you might actually be looking at the points I've made about why I think it's a poor show so far and address them. Instead you focus on this sort of thing and claim I'm going ballistic for no good reason. Anyway I would definitely not call this episode putting the ball into play and delivering a high quality show by any stretch of the imagination, but sure we'll let you go with that for now. I just think it's absolutely pathetic that a company can consistently put out mediocre grade by the book brainless shows and still have people praising them like everything they do is a masterpiece somehow. As I keep pointing out it's more a war on low/nonexistent/inconsistent standards than anything else and Kyoani shows writing and it's fanbase still supporting everything they do like it's a series of master works make a pretty damn easy target these days. I wish I could ask the people that are now buying this show in Japan what exactly about this episode made them decide it was now worth going all in for and made it a "high quality show". I know people doubt it, but I'm absolutely dying to hear the answer to that question even though I never will. By that way that "KyoAni once again is making a high quality show worth watching" line, really telling buddy. I mean I'm totally convinced you have no particular feelings about Kyoani either way, can't you tell? |
Takuan_Soho said: Kaioshin_Sama said: One kind of not shitty episode and this instantly jumps into top seller position for this season. Absolutely and utterly disgusting. And people like symbv still claim there isn't a contingent that won't always support Kyoani no matter how mediocre their shows are. Sigh.....such a joke. You know, I don't have any skin in KyoAni game, but watching you get so pissed every time they succeed is starting to become my favorite past time here. Don't forget SHAFT and Monogatari. I rarely see him post something that isn't related to one of those, lol. The rest of your post is true. I think it's kinda sad how oblivious he is. He will probably call you a Kyo ani fanboy or focus on something irrelevant instead of trying to explain his very weak argument against the BD pre order thing. Edit: Fucking called it, LMAO. |
| Holy---this was a nice episode. At first I thought Mirai is overpowered, then we all witnessed Akihito absolutely go off. And it finally makes sense why Akihito has all these people surrounding him. If he can control his powers he can probably beat just about any youmu out there on his own. Of course, this also raises questions about his parents...His mom and dad must be insanely powerful as well. Pretty impressive. I wonder how they're going to top that in the next 9 episodes. But it does look like the Nase family has something going on judging from the way they stole that core. |
Yvese said: My thoughts exactly.Dang, Mirai got ripped off. That stone was worth over 9000 yen I bet. @Kaioshin_Sama: Just curious, but were you the person who gave this episode a 1/5? LOL |
| Still skeptical about this series. I think she burned him with blood to get him back to his senses. Despite the cliches, it still evoked emotion from me with them asking if they looked like normal people. Animation is beautiful as always. |
Baku219Oct 23, 2013 5:27 PM
| "Listen Simon... Don't forget. Believe in yourself. Not in the you who believes in me. Not the me who believes in you. Believe in the you who believes in yourself." ~ Kamina (TTGL) “You should enjoy the little detours. To the fullest. Because that’s where you’ll find the things more important than what you want.” ~ Ging (HxH) |
| You know it's funny that I have actually talked about the episode at length but only a couple of people have chosen to actually focus on or address the things I've pointed out in satisfying detail. Not really sure what people want me to say about the BD preorder thing either. The same thing happened with Free, I anticipated it happening here and it did. Kyoani fans will always show up eventually to support their beloved company but the trend seems to be they wait until the end of the first arc to do so. That's all I can guess at as I certainly don't see anything all that different about this episode than the previous three in terms of storytelling consistency (or lack thereof), the action or the characters and their current relationships with one another. Again nobody has done an adequate job of explaining what exactly they figure this episode could have done that just magically makes the show better other than clearly being the end of the first portion of the show. Like what stands out about the show that is especially gripping to you with regard to the setting and it's characters that makes it worthy of being called high quality? Anybody? This should be an easy question to answer right? Or are we just going to focus on how butthurt I am etc. mayukachan said: Yvese said: My thoughts exactly.Dang, Mirai got ripped off. That stone was worth over 9000 yen I bet. @Kaioshin_Sama: Just curious, but were you the person who gave this episode a 1/5? LOL No but I did give it a 3/5. It was a pretty mediocre to a kind of messy world building introduction arc as I keep pointing out with a lot of inconsistencies and oddities in character interactions as well as general storyboarding and pacing though again technically good in terms of animation production values. It's just a shame that the staff can't make this show more genuinely compelling in terms of making me care about the characters and their circumstances (bad comedy and random awkward melodrama really isn't cutting it), but hey when people will buy your shit en masse why worry about little things like that. It's kind of why I will never really expect anything truly great out of Kyoto Animation that isn't directly related to the occasional bout of Sakuga which I'm really not seeing as particularly better than what other major studios with a budget are capable of producing. For all intents and purpose Kyoani has and will probably continue to get the message that what we saw from the opening arc of Kyokai no Kanata is not only acceptable by normal standards of storytelling and establishment but outright fantastic and that to me is something of a sad joke. |
PeacingOutOct 23, 2013 5:32 PM
Baku219 said: Still skeptical about this series. The power of the hug turned him back *rolls eyes*. Despite that, it still evoked emotion from me with them asking if they looked like normal people. Animation is beautiful as always. Akihito was getting burned as she hugged him. Note that he's already considerably weakened after the outburst that knocked out everyone. It's likely that she was using her blood to weaken him further, in which case he simply returned to normal. Oh, and does anyone else think that Hiroomi's scars were caused by Akihito? |
tezann_t said: Baku219 said: Still skeptical about this series. The power of the hug turned him back *rolls eyes*. Despite that, it still evoked emotion from me with them asking if they looked like normal people. Animation is beautiful as always. Akihito was getting burned as she hugged him. Note that he's already considerably weakened after the outburst that knocked out everyone. It's likely that she was using her blood to weaken him further, in which case he simply returned to normal. Yeah I realized this after I posted, I modified my post. |
| "Listen Simon... Don't forget. Believe in yourself. Not in the you who believes in me. Not the me who believes in you. Believe in the you who believes in yourself." ~ Kamina (TTGL) “You should enjoy the little detours. To the fullest. Because that’s where you’ll find the things more important than what you want.” ~ Ging (HxH) |
AshtonClaude said: I watched it. Still doesn't change the fact that she was ripped off. omg so many people didnt watch the few minutes scene after ED Clearly some major plot is brewing and that stone is a big part of it. |
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| Great episode. So much action, drama , and feelings. Has to be my favorite episode yet. Looks like things are going to be a little different now. 5/5 |
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Kaioshin_Sama said: Like what stands out about the show that is especially gripping to you with regard to the setting and it's characters that makes it worthy of being called high quality? Anybody? This should be an easy question to answer right? Or are we just going to focus on how butthurt I am etc. Answering your first question, I thought this episode was a lot better than the first three because well, they had a serious atmosphere throughout this episode, which I liked. They cut the cheesy jokes and the moe moments which was one of my main issues. It's only four episodes in, so I'm not giving up on the characters yet. The side characters seem interesting so far, especially the brother sister duo. I'm not expecting that much since it is KyoAni, though. I'm also comparing with other shows this season. This week's ep of Kyoukai definitely beats a lot of the other shows recent episodes for sure. |
Takuan_Soho said: Arararraragi-kun said: The rest of your post is true. I think it's kinda sad how oblivious he is. He will probably call you a Kyo ani fanboy or focus on something irrelevant instead of trying to explain his very weak argument against the BD pre order thing. Edit: Fucking called it, LMAO. I would give you props for that prediction, but that sort of would be like giving props for someone calling east as the direction the sun is going rise tomorrow :-) I find it funny that he thinks that I some "stake" in KyoAni. Does he think I am a shareholder or an animator with the studio? How about you both quit jerking each other off and actually pay attention to some of the things I said about the show itself? You might actually learn that what you two are going on about is in fact not the reality of the situation but merely wishful thinking that involves me just being a hater. Not actually expecting this to happen so don't worry about it. ;) mayukachan said: Kaioshin_Sama said: Like what stands out about the show that is especially gripping to you with regard to the setting and it's characters that makes it worthy of being called high quality? Anybody? This should be an easy question to answer right? Or are we just going to focus on how butthurt I am etc. Answering your first question, I thought this episode was a lot better than the first three because well, they had a serious atmosphere throughout this episode, which I liked. They cut the cheesy jokes and the moe moments which was one of my main issues. It's only four episodes in, so I'm not giving up on the characters yet. The side characters seem interesting so far, especially the brother sister duo. I'm not expecting that much since it is KyoAni, though. I'm also comparing with other shows this season. This week's ep of Kyoukai definitely beats a lot of the other shows recent episodes for sure. While it's true they did cut the bad comedy from this episode for the most part the damage is still kind of done as now I don't really buy Mirai and Akihito as having the kind of chemistry this episode seems to want us to think they have. Akihito has given no other reason for wanting to stick close to Mirai for why he's risking his skin here than "Oh you're a pretty girl with glasses and that's my fetish" and Mirai has barely been given a good reason for the stuff she does at all. The first episode she's stabbing the guy like it's nothing and now she has time working up the courage to stab him when it actually matters? Like I know they were trying to make the scene dramatic, but it would help if they'd figure out a way to do so that wasn't inconsistent. Also the thing with Mirai's blood raises some other questions too like if it's all powerful to rot trees on contact why was Sakura almost able to cut through it with her chainsaw without it breaking last episode until Akihito came into the mix to get her out of the way. Why does Mirai's blood sword not supress Akihito's Youmu instincts when she stabs him the first time yet a simple hug involving a blood spattered shirt is able to do the trick? It's going to be interesting to see how the whole issue with the blood is handled consistency wise from this episode on as for all intents and purpose it really just looks like it and many other things in this show do what they do because the plot demands it and little more. |
PeacingOutOct 23, 2013 5:44 PM
AshtonClaude said: omg so many people didnt watch the few minutes scene after ED No, I did, but I thought that she was being ripped off because that girl stole the stone. |
Takuan_Soho said: True, but in a sense she was still ripped off since she didn't know where or what the real stone looked like and was lied to :PYvese said: AshtonClaude said: I watched it. Still doesn't change the fact that she was ripped off. omg so many people didnt watch the few minutes scene after ED Clearly some major plot is brewing and that stone is a big part of it. The stone she turned in was only worth 200 yen. Since she never had actual possession of the real stone, one can't claim that she was "ripped off". To use a simile, it would be as if she had been digging for gold and instead of grabbing the nugget she took the pyrite instead. |
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| This show just got a +2 to it's score from me. Please keep this up! :) |
| why are all people so angry about the hug scene? are you never hugged by your sweetheart when you were in rage so you could calm down a bit? is such a scenario so unbelievable? what would you do in Mirais place? call the police? do a bad speech? call Obama and let him do the speech while you check twitter or facebook if this guy over there is really that angry now? are you all cold heartless anime criticism machines never loved by one or never been in love with somebody? i enjoyed this episode, but for my tast the first episodes were more interesting because there were more secrets in the air what i like. now i know a little bit to much about the main charas. but now some other problems with the side charas appear, so no problem for me. ^^ i am exited what will happen next. lold at the thumbsup scene xD |
summerwars said: why are all people so angry about the hug scene? are you never hugged by your sweetheart when you were in rage so you could calm down a bit? is such a scenario so unbelievable? what would you do in Mirais place? call the police? do a bad speech? call Obama and let him do the speech while you check twitter or facebook if this guy over there is really that angry now? are you all cold heartless anime criticism machines never loved by one or never been in love with somebody? i enjoyed this episode, but for my tast the first episodes were more interesting because there were more secrets in the air what i like. now i know a little bit to much about the main charas. but now some other problems with the side charas appear, so no problem for me. ^^ i am exited what will happen next. lold at the thumbsup scene xD It's contrived and poorly explained nonsense that in any other show by any other studio would have probably been called out far more and criticized as such. Really the whole scene of Akihito going berserk just feels kind of out of nowhere. They could have spent the time further fleshing out Mirai's past and thus actually given some better meaning for her actions, but nope, gotta go with the contrived relationship building BS instead of building it in a way that makes sense earlier on when they were instead wasting time with bad comedic quips between the characters and Mirai tripping all over the place. It's scenes like that that really make me appreciate the likes of White Album 2 which absolutely crushes this show in terms of building a consistent atmosphere, setting, themes and character relationships after three episodes. And before anybody says it I'm not talking about in terms of genre but in general. This show is just lousy at this stuff period and the way it's going will only continue to be so. |
| this was probably the best episode yet. i was totally sucked into the story and the visuals and action were amazing! seeing akihito's youmu side was eye opening. i'm starting to hate kuriyama a little less now, but she still annoys me. (all moes annoy me) |
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