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| Gen Urobuchi heh... Wonder how many will die. |
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Zaraquiel99 said: Ok people, you are givven all the clues, and even then, you can't figure out what happens?? Is easy: Kugel is dead, and his machine caliber is the one making the calls there, do not ask me how can that machine properly work without a piulot, but it's how it is. I don't think this is true. - As Chamber said before - those machine calibers aren't programmed to work independently they are merely extension of human powers. This is also their main difference from Hideauze who are single being. And I don't think they are capable of deceit. - Kugel's hologram seems to be older than Kugel was in first episode. He either went longer through wormhole or he is affected by his long stay in Striker machine interface. He simply made his choice NOT to come out and that helped him out with subjugating those people and their inclusion into his command. He has no need to come out. - Kugel is older than Ledo. Maybe too old to change his viewpoints. He was following laws of Alliance a lot longer, saw many deaths of his allies and has alliance structure literally imprinted to his way of thinking. He is simply unable to see through it, believe in something else and to abandon it now. That's why he tries to follow Alliance orders even on Earth and that's why he tries to replicate its efficient structure there. And he knew that Hideauze were human in the first place - it was no shock for him them on Earth. Ledo, on the other hand is much younger and still open to reasoning. |
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Zaraquiel99 said: Ok people, you are givven all the clues, and even then, you can't figure out what happens?? Is easy: Kugel is dead, and his machine caliber is the one making the calls there, do not ask me how can that machine properly work without a piulot, but it's how it is. We have the clues for: 1-The suposed "desease" and all the data could have been fake just to bring chamber to her side 2-The hologram, for the inteligence those machines have can use recors and re-create audio logs in a matter of secconds. 3-The comunicate Pinion was obligated to read sounded like written by a machine. I mean "to all my human fellows"? that's the classic singn of a machine passing by a human. 4-Adoctrination trought power not a singel human, doesnt matter how trained in military is would dare to control by power unless he knows he has all the chances of wining. The only way for "Kugel" to be sure about the planet's situation was analazing it for a very long time. Only the machine Caliber could have done that, becouse: 5-Despite being space humans, they still need to eat. That was the main reason Led went out of his cockpit in the first place (chapter 1). I could go on and on and on. The personality doesn't also match what we son in episode one when Kugel sacrificed his life to save Ledo despite the fact that it was against military regulations, in fact Ledo wanted to stay behind to save Kugel if I remember. So yes the Stryker unit is in charge, heck the real Kugel might even be a prisoner of his own mecha. |
Mich666 said: Zaraquiel99 said: Ok people, you are givven all the clues, and even then, you can't figure out what happens?? Is easy: Kugel is dead, and his machine caliber is the one making the calls there, do not ask me how can that machine properly work without a piulot, but it's how it is. I don't think this is true. - As Chamber said before - those machine calibers aren't programmed to work independently they are merely extension of human powers. This is also their main difference from Hideauze who are single being. And I don't think they are capable of deceit. - Kugel's hologram seems to be older than Kugel was in first episode. He either went longer through wormhole or he is affected by his long stay in Striker machine interface. He simply made his choice NOT to come out and that helped him out with subjugating those people and their inclusion into his command. He has no need to come out. - Kugel is older than Ledo. Maybe too old to change his viewpoints. He was following laws of Alliance a lot longer, saw many deaths of his allies and has alliance structure literally imprinted to his way of thinking. He is simply unable to see through it, believe in something else and to abandon it now. That's why he tries to follow Alliance orders even on Earth and that's why he tries to replicate its efficient structure there. And he knew that Hideauze were human in the first place - it was no shock for him them on Earth. Ledo, on the other hand is much younger and still open to reasoning. Yes, but in the first episode it was Kugel that dissobeyed Military Protocols to save Ledo which says that in case of retreat the subordinates should allow their superiors to escape first., so He shouldn't be so strick personality type. |
meneliksempai said: I don't think Kugel is dead. If he is, there's no way his machine caliber's intact. Zaraquiel99 said: Ok people, you are givven all the clues, and even then, you can't figure out what happens?? Is easy: Kugel is dead, and his machine caliber is the one making the calls there, do not ask me how can that machine properly work without a piulot, but it's how it is. We have the clues for: 1-The suposed "desease" and all the data could have been fake just to bring chamber to her side 2-The hologram, for the inteligence those machines have can use recors and re-create audio logs in a matter of secconds. 3-The comunicate Pinion was obligated to read sounded like written by a machine. I mean "to all my human fellows"? that's the classic singn of a machine passing by a human. 4-Adoctrination trought power not a singel human, doesnt matter how trained in military is would dare to control by power unless he knows he has all the chances of wining. The only way for "Kugel" to be sure about the planet's situation was analazing it for a very long time. Only the machine Caliber could have done that, becouse: 5-Despite being space humans, they still need to eat. That was the main reason Led went out of his cockpit in the first place (chapter 1). I could go on and on and on. The personality doesn't also match what we son in episode one when Kugel sacrificed his life to save Ledo despite the fact that it was against military regulations, in fact Ledo wanted to stay behind to save Kugel if I remember. So yes the Stryker unit is in charge, heck the real Kugel might even be a prisoner of his own mecha. About his endemic disease, Chamber pretty much implied that it's just an excuse by Kugel not to get out of his machine caliber. By reducing the number of people who could directly contact him, the less difficult he would be able to maintain this mysterious aura that could strike fear into his subjects--making it easier to keep them in line. |
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| Just some silly question~ I bit confuse here...Kugel say that he never out...how he get all food and water also how bout toilet?? Or the Machine Caliber is that sort of 'Hako' from Sora wo Kakeru Shoujo?? |
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| Interesting episode!!! As expected, Ledo returns under Colonel Kugel and it seems like he has been infected by a virus which makes sense why he hasn't physically come out of his machine. It was nice to see the new AI striker and things are really beginning to progress. A weird entrance from Pirate Rackage and I'm surprised with the events seen here but things are only getting more complicated when Ledo is told that the large scale mission has the main target of Gargantia much to Ledo's surprise. Pinion seems to be learning something new and I wonder how he will respond to this situation. Looking forward to see how this development progresses in the next episode!! 5/5 |
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Zaraquiel99 said: Ok people, you are givven all the clues, and even then, you can't figure out what happens?? Is easy: Kugel is dead, and his machine caliber is the one making the calls there, do not ask me how can that machine properly work without a piulot, but it's how it is. We have the clues for: 1-The suposed "desease" and all the data could have been fake just to bring chamber to her side 2-The hologram, for the inteligence those machines have can use recors and re-create audio logs in a matter of secconds. 3-The comunicate Pinion was obligated to read sounded like written by a machine. I mean "to all my human fellows"? that's the classic singn of a machine passing by a human. 4-Adoctrination trought power not a singel human, doesnt matter how trained in military is would dare to control by power unless he knows he has all the chances of wining. The only way for "Kugel" to be sure about the planet's situation was analazing it for a very long time. Only the machine Caliber could have done that, becouse: 5-Despite being space humans, they still need to eat. That was the main reason Led went out of his cockpit in the first place (chapter 1). I could go on and on and on. i love this theories. and this is getting interesting,looking forward to the next episode! |
Mich666 said: The first and second reasons are what I see commonly used in Japanese forums to support Kugel is not dead theory. And I particularly think the first one to be pretty convincing because the machine repeatedly said that they are a "pilot support system". Some people say that it may have some directive to follow the GA's goal if the pilot is dead but I am not so sure, because it never says it is a "GA support system", and to think that it can develop such a longwinded and intricate hoax to trick everyone from those religious people to Ledo seems a bit farfetched to me. Zaraquiel99 said: Ok people, you are givven all the clues, and even then, you can't figure out what happens?? Is easy: Kugel is dead, and his machine caliber is the one making the calls there, do not ask me how can that machine properly work without a piulot, but it's how it is. I don't think this is true. - As Chamber said before - those machine calibers aren't programmed to work independently they are merely extension of human powers. This is also their main difference from Hideauze who are single being. And I don't think they are capable of deceit. - Kugel's hologram seems to be older than Kugel was in first episode. He either went longer through wormhole or he is affected by his long stay in Striker machine interface. He simply made his choice NOT to come out and that helped him out with subjugating those people and their inclusion into his command. He has no need to come out. - Kugel is older than Ledo. Maybe too old to change his viewpoints. He was following laws of Alliance a lot longer, saw many deaths of his allies and has alliance structure literally imprinted to his way of thinking. He is simply unable to see through it, believe in something else and to abandon it now. That's why he tries to follow Alliance orders even on Earth and that's why he tries to replicate its efficient structure there. And he knew that Hideauze were human in the first place - it was no shock for him them on Earth. Ledo, on the other hand is much younger and still open to reasoning. However, there are also some who argue that perhaps Kugel is mortally wounded or ill and only his brain is active. This is an intriguing idea because this would allow the idea of mecha being a "pilot support system" to stay intact without the mecha becoming independent and fully sentient, and yet can explain why Kugel so reluctant to come out of the cockpit and so keen to use Ledo and his Striker to finish the plan he has in mind. As for your third reason, I am not sure. I guess we do not have enough information about Kugel's personality to predict how susceptible to GA's ideals are. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| I knew it.. That pirate lady still alive with her underling ofc I hope Ledo team up with Gargantia and defeated his upper officer and hope for battle in next ep... Just 2 episodes I hope they wrapped it well :) AoiMizu said: Just some silly question~ I bit confuse here...Kugel say that he never out...how he get all food and water also how bout toilet?? Never question anime logic xD |
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Ray_Light said: Never question anime logic xD B-but!! This curiosity will kill me tonight! 0A0'' Is that Machine Caliber really caliber in manage those sort thing too....? >A<'' Ahhhhh!!! I want to know! xD |
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aiikyoya said: Zaraquiel99 said: Ok people, you are givven all the clues, and even then, you can't figure out what happens?? Is easy: Kugel is dead, and his machine caliber is the one making the calls there, do not ask me how can that machine properly work without a piulot, but it's how it is. We have the clues for: 1-The suposed "desease" and all the data could have been fake just to bring chamber to her side 2-The hologram, for the inteligence those machines have can use recors and re-create audio logs in a matter of secconds. 3-The comunicate Pinion was obligated to read sounded like written by a machine. I mean "to all my human fellows"? that's the classic singn of a machine passing by a human. 4-Adoctrination trought power not a singel human, doesnt matter how trained in military is would dare to control by power unless he knows he has all the chances of wining. The only way for "Kugel" to be sure about the planet's situation was analazing it for a very long time. Only the machine Caliber could have done that, becouse: 5-Despite being space humans, they still need to eat. That was the main reason Led went out of his cockpit in the first place (chapter 1). I could go on and on and on. i love this theories. and this is getting interesting,looking forward to the next episode! Learrn hoow 2 speell :) I like your theory though but it's not going to happen? AoiMizu said: Ray_Light said: Never question anime logic xD B-but!! This curiosity will kill me tonight! 0A0'' Is that Machine Caliber really caliber in manage those sort thing too....>A<'' Ahhhhh!!! I want to know! xD They had a kind of food for 'Astro Soldier'? Some nutrient that enough for loooong time or the Machine Caliber can cook and have a toilet inside? xD Good luck surviving tonight! |
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Ray_Light said: They had a kind of food for 'Astro Soldier'? Some nutrient that enough for loooong time or the Machine Caliber can cook and have a toilet inside? xD Good luck surviving tonight! Well, I do see Ledo drink something in packed but...where the hell all those food been store in Machine Caliber? Yes, the biggest curiosity in my head now...Toilet? 0,0..toilet...toilet... |
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Takuan_Soho said: Well, that argument does have some appeal to me though: I can take the machine overriding a pilot in a combat operation but saying the machine can develop a full personality and uses trickery including its previous owner's image and voice to push for a grand goal (i.e forming a neo-GA) is a bit farfetched. And another thing that I find appealing for Kugel not being dead is this will keep the story firmly on human vs human instead of human vs machine AI. Of course one can take the latter still as a clash of philosophy (freedom vs collectivism) but the extra element of machine intelligence complicates the argument quite a bit in my opinion. To be honest, I think the story can be argued both ways - Kugel can be alive, or dead, or even half-dead, and it will still make sense. What we are talking here is just trying to make the best guess out of the information we have seen so far, which is rather limited. The trouble with this argument is that Chamber DID act independently once: when he killed the whalesquid child in direct contradiction to what Ledo wanted. This shows that Chamber can act independently and/or there is some higher directive in play. Takuan_Soho said: Yeah, I remember. And precisely because of that, the rider has to be present to be "instructed" and as Chamber said they are there to support the rider/pilot. We do not really know how far it can go acting independent if the rider/pilot is dead, much less scheming and playing tricks like humans do. Also, remember what Stryker (and Chamber's) definition of "happiness" was: individual units working for the good of the whole. This shows that while individual development is important, integrating this individual into the whole is the end and overriding goal. If the individual is not properly doing this, the machine should "instruct" the rider on the proper course of action. One thing that I read in Japanese forum that allows Stryker to do what it does even though Kugel is dead is Kugel left detailed instructions and objective before he died and Stryker accepted it as being compliant to the GA ideals and went on to execute it. This also makes sense to me. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
AoiMizu said: Ray_Light said: They had a kind of food for 'Astro Soldier'? Some nutrient that enough for loooong time or the Machine Caliber can cook and have a toilet inside? xD Good luck surviving tonight! Well, I do see Ledo drink something in packed but...where the hell all those food been store in Machine Caliber? Yes, the biggest curiosity in my head now...Toilet? 0,0..toilet...toilet... The Human Galactic Alliance recognizes how bodily fluids and waste impose as a distraction to the pilots while they are dutifully fighting on missions, so in response to this, they have individually trained the pilots to strengthen their bladder muscles (especially the bladder sphincter) to the point where these people can hold in their pee for a prolonged period of time. All who fail to meet the required time of 2 months are immediately disposed of along with their waste. The Human Galactic Alliance has no need for those with weak bladders. loll, not sure if that's the real reason (since I kind of made it up on the spot...) but it sounds reasonable enough to me! xD |
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EarlCiel said: All who fail to meet the required time of 2 months omg OMG OH MY GOD |
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| Now, Ledo. You've been working as a fisherman You've been running errands You've experience a fun festival and you've learn about the value of life. Will you choose your old life, living in a productive, structured life with no freedom. Or will you choose Gargantia, leading a fun, sometimes very unproductive, but free lifestyle? |
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AirStyles said: Now, Ledo. You've been working as a fisherman You've been running errands You've experience a fun festival and you've learn about the value of life. Will you choose your old life, living in a productive, structured life with no freedom. Or will you choose Gargantia, leading a fun, sometimes very unproductive, but free lifestyle? Neither because urobutcher will have him sacrifice himself to keep Gargantia free at the price of his life.. |
| ^^ Perhaps self-destructing Chamber is the only way to defeat Striker? Urobutcher? Why, WHY????????????????? |
EarlCiel said: The Human Galactic Alliance recognizes how bodily fluids and waste impose as a distraction to the pilots while they are dutifully fighting on missions, so in response to this, they have individually trained the pilots to strengthen their bladder muscles (especially the bladder sphincter) to the point where these people can hold in their pee for a prolonged period of time. All who fail to meet the required time of 2 months are immediately disposed of along with their waste. The Human Galactic Alliance has no need for those with weak bladders. loll, not sure if that's the real reason (since I kind of made it up on the spot...) but it sounds reasonable enough to me! xD That crazy! Ridiculous requirement to alive as a solider!...0,0.. BTW, nice crazy make-up theory for toilet issues.. |
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Darklight0303 said: AirStyles said: Now, Ledo. You've been working as a fisherman You've been running errands You've experience a fun festival and you've learn about the value of life. Will you choose your old life, living in a productive, structured life with no freedom. Or will you choose Gargantia, leading a fun, sometimes very unproductive, but free lifestyle? Neither because urobutcher will have him sacrifice himself to keep Gargantia free at the price of his life.. Nope. 100% sure he's not gonna die unless Urobuchi suddenly suffers a brain seizure. |
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| They are making out Kugel to be a bad guy here, in total contrast to epi 1 |
hpulley said: ^^ Perhaps self-destructing Chamber is the only way to defeat Striker? Urobutcher? Why, WHY????????????????? And then we have one more possibility. Kugel comes out of his cockpit to face Ledo and in that moment he witnesses the other side of humanity. The autocracy crumbles and the fleets live happily ever after. Striker and Chamber become life-time cargo lifters and makeshift grills. |
| I really liked the way the final is heading. Now 2 episodes left- |
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Takuan_Soho said: hpulley said: ^^ Perhaps self-destructing Chamber is the only way to defeat Striker? Urobutcher? Why, WHY????????????????? Because humanity has to learn to live at peace with nature, not to rely on complex machines to do the work for them? Fukushima anyone? Same reason why R2D2 was shot in the first Star Wars movie. The mechas are the crystallization of the ultimate goal of the Alliance as such they are just as wrong as the Evolvers end goal as well. Since the mecha's "logic" turns humanity pretty much into the same vile creatures as the Hideauze, for humanity to once again become humane they need to cast aside mere efficiency. http://www.ted.com/talks/taylor_wilson_my_radical_plan_for_small_nuclear_fission_reactors.html |
| Pinion is in their side now.Wait the whole fleet is like it or not. I don't think Kugel is dead but I believe that he is lying about his condition or something. Damn they will go to Gargantia now. Only 2 episodes left. |
Takuan_Soho said: While I agree much of what you said (which is why I said in my last post that human vs AI can be viewed as a clash of different philosophies), I think there is complication because not everyone may drill down and think at the same level as you said above (something perhaps I did not make it clear in my last post when I used the word "complicates"). If the main theme is to illustrate different approaches by human facing their existence and direction, I think it is easiest for the audience to understand such message if it is presented as human vs human instead of human vs machine. Remember how Chamber said that the mechas were the end result of the Alliance's technology? This would mean that the AI's far from representing machines actually represent one extreme of human thought as the hideauze represents they other extreme. This gets back to the false dilemma that Chamber used to justify killing the whalesquid: life isn't an either/or question between Evolver/CU, between civilization/nature there were other options as represented by Gargantia. There is nothing complicating with having the robotic intelligence, they are part of the problem as they try to carry out the will of their creators. Takuan_Soho said: I think we need to consider the possibility that Kugel's health may be used for an entirely different purpose than the "obvious plot device" that many are thinking, like it must be a disguise to hide his death etc. It could just be a way to let Kugel die later without Ledo having to kill him, or something else. All in all I would not try too hard to assume Kugel's saying he caught a virus must link to some major plot twist.Still because they spent 5 minutes talking about Kugel's health status, it should mean something and his being dead seems to be the logical conclusion. But this show has previously spent time developing themes that have been subsequently abandoned, so I wouldn't be surprised if there is no point to that entire sequence. |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
| Noooooooooooo!!!! :(( Just as I thought.. they would be targeting Gargantia? But why?? >.< NOOOOOO... LEDO!!!! You can't just follow all his commands! Idiooot!! >< |
ClawViper7 said: They are making out Kugel to be a bad guy here, in total contrast to epi 1 I disagree with the notion that Kugel's "sacrifice" in episode one was completely selfless. He indirectly stated it himself: he didn't let Ledo go ahead because he was a nice guy, it was because Ledo was younger and could kill more Hideauze. This kind of thinking is a direct result of the extreme utilitarianism that is the Galactic Alliance. The mission failed horribly and the soldiers would have to regroup to fight later. Why not send those who are younger, stronger, and more adaptable ahead? Sacrifice one's own wants for the greater good of the cause. That in and of itself isn't evil but it is a bit chilling when you consider the overall mindset of the Alliance. |
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silver_huskey said: ClawViper7 said: They are making out Kugel to be a bad guy here, in total contrast to epi 1 I disagree with the notion that Kugel's "sacrifice" in episode one was completely selfless. He indirectly stated it himself: he didn't let Ledo go ahead because he was a nice guy, it was because Ledo was younger and could kill more Hideauze. This kind of thinking is a direct result of the extreme utilitarianism that is the Galactic Alliance. The mission failed horribly and the soldiers would have to regroup to fight later. Why not send those who are younger, stronger, and more adaptable ahead? Sacrifice one's own wants for the greater good of the cause. That in and of itself isn't evil but it is a bit chilling when you consider the overall mindset of the Alliance. Kugel is not that old. And the argument that Ledo can kill more squids because he's young doesn't make much sense. I can say Kugel is more important and useful since he has more experience and higher rank. |
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DawnJ said: Kugel is not that old. And the argument that Ledo can kill more squids because he's young doesn't make much sense. I can say Kugel is more important and useful since he has more experience and higher rank. The logic logic only makes sense if you see it from the standpoint of the GA. Personally I agree, experience trumps age and Kugel only seems to be in his twenties or thirties. But the man said it himself. In case you've forgotten (it was ages ago) I took some screen caps of that conversation from episode one:  Here is the complete conversation, hidden under the spoiler button so the other users don't get a large image dump: |
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niaxato said: Wouldnt be surprised if Kugel was dead and his robot had a deal going with the pirate queen for some crazy world domination. Pretty decent episode over all. Time to choose Ledo! This is my thinking as well, I noticed the Pirate did not have a symbol, yet everyone else did. It almost seems to me as if the pirate lady is in control here and using the Mech as a figurehead to maintain control. |
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silver_huskey said: Thanks for the screencaps. I totally forgot the lines. But I think Kugel made a bad decision, anyway. Maybe experience doesn't matter much in space fight? |
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symbv said: However, there are also some who argue that perhaps Kugel is mortally wounded or ill and only his brain is active. This is an intriguing idea because this would allow the idea of mecha being a "pilot support system" to stay intact without the mecha becoming independent and fully sentient, and yet can explain why Kugel so reluctant to come out of the cockpit and so keen to use Ledo and his Striker to finish the plan he has in mind. As for your third reason, I am not sure. I guess we do not have enough information about Kugel's personality to predict how susceptible to GA's ideals are. Those are some valid points and I also agree that Kugel's disobedience of direct order in episode 1 could be the proof of his morals and personality (that this hologram, noticably, doesn't have) but call it a hunch, I simply doesn't see this twist coming in this anime. Sure, Urobuchi is colaborating on the script and his endings tends to be unexpected but overall theme of this show has different, more environmental and "integration into society" feel. And that's why I think that with only two episodes left this "AI deceit" has no place there. But well, I guess we will find out soon. Takuan_Soho said: The trouble with this argument is that Chamber DID act independently once: when he killed the whalesquid child in direct contradiction to what Ledo wanted. This shows that Chamber can act independently and/or there is some higher directive in play. Ok, I can agree on the fact that Chamber could have some internal directives that he is following. Like: 1. Abide incomming commands of Galactic Alliance 2. Destroy Hideauze 3. Defend and obey your lieutenant (easily in this order) Therefore some of those directives could be superior and have priority over other commands. But... I really can't see such machine being able to devise such complex plan to control other people on wholly different planet. That is really something that doesn't fit there. |
| I totally need to watch the first of episode 1 again. Good episode things are heading up again. I'm expecting a happy ending with many 1 or 2 death but not the main main characters. |
DawnJ said: Thanks for the screencaps. I totally forgot the lines. But I think Kugel made a bad decision, anyway. Maybe experience doesn't matter much in space fight? No problem! Good or bad, if Kugel hadn't of made that decision Ledo might not have ended up on the Gargantia. |
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symbv said: I think we need to consider the possibility that Kugel's health may be used for an entirely different purpose than the "obvious plot device" that many are thinking, like it must be a disguise to hide his death etc. It could just be a way to let Kugel die later without Ledo having to kill him, or something else. All in all I would not try too hard to assume Kugel's saying he caught a virus must link to some major plot twist. Well, the virus - he could went through some Hideauze change and that's why he is staying inside. Exposure to Hideuze could somehow overwrite Striker directives and infect him. We really don't know what happened after he left his fleet in first ep. This is one of my ideas simply because of two things: - he is acquiring new people and his target is not Hideuze but Gargantia (if he sides GA, why?) - his followers also briefly appeared in the end previous episode in scene where they were talking about people who embraced Hideuze DNA. They can turn out to be some sort of Hideauze cult. Well, this can be red herring but still, it is worth of considering. |
| Haha time for butcher to put his imprint on this anime. |
-Quasar said: Haha time for butcher to put his imprint on this anime. Yep, been waiting a while for that final plot twist. All the pieces finally fall into place. |
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| Fucking space communist have to fuck up everythig. |
| Well, some people pointed out back earlier that Amy's dancing costumes also have vaguely squidish motive, and the master key of Gargantia too. I guess we should also consider that perhaps Gargantia is actually part of a squid cult in disguise too LOL |
| So MAL finally starts locking news threads that are only a few weeks old? I wonder where was the announcement of this change? Or we are seeing yet another case of changes made that impacted users but not communicated to them? I wonder how long people would put up with this. As much as I have a bunch of information to share about anime announced recently I cannot share it in news board, and the anime series is too disorganized and chaotic to share information except with people already interested in the particular series. |
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