CU's 'culling the weak' policy is just utter nonsense.

Takuan_Soho said:
Dawn, if I may make a suggestion, read Bloodlands (which is about the territory between the USSR and Germany from 1920-1945) or Leningrad (about a siege which lasted nearly three years) before condemning the GA.

Being raised during the past 50 years we cannot understand what scarcity is really like. In famine regions parents will kill their own children, children their own parents in order to survive. In the GA really is suffering from scarcity (granted we have no real evidence of this), then "exposure" really is the most humane way of dealing with an excess population. As I said to you in the episode 9 thread, the closer one is to extinction, the narrower one's options become.

Sparta killed the "weak" not because they were immoral bastards, but because the existence of their entire society was predicated on it. When Sparta ceased to do this, Sparta stopped being an independent nation, and instead became a thrall of either the Romans or later the Byzantiums, their citizens reduced to that status of slaves.

Reading history is informative because it shows us how ephemeral our society truly is. We like to think that history is progressive, that we have "evolved" beyond this, but as the old saying goes, any dog is only two meals away from becoming a wolf.

DawnJ said:
I already wrote that the cull-the-weak process isn't really logical(And I don't really understand why there are weak-to-be-culled kids when they are produced from the same DNA and in the same process). Then what comes next? Birth control. Producing clones exactly as needed at the time. It could, at least, save more food than kicking babies out in the middle of growing session.

Anyway, unless we get the translation of currently released prequel LN of this anime, I can rant only about information we are given.

Antanaru said:
Who said they are brainwashed?

DawnJ said:
Pretty much what happened.

DawnJ said:
Writer A: Hey, what's the point of CU killing kids?
Writer B: There's food shortage in CU, also it's to make them look inhumane.
A: Like, what, Spartans?
B: Just like Spartans.
A: Okay, but what's the 'weak'?
B: Weak as physically weak.
A: But CU soldiers ride the super-robots. Why does it even matter?
B: Ugh... they need to endure G or something?
A: Their robots can just float midair like UFOs, completely ignoring gravity.
B: Maybe soldiers do physical labors other than operating robots?
A: Physical Labor like CARRYING THE FUCKING SAUCE? That'd definitely need some muscles. Oh wait, Ledo has no muscles.
B: Okay. How about that they kill mentally-weak kids?
A: CU educates and brainwashes soldier-candidates since born, right?
B: You know what? I've already written bunch of scripts about Ledo's brother-clone and ocarina, so fuck you.


Pretty much what happened.

Colascka said:
First of all- why do you think people reproducing by cloning themselves? Because they have similar hair`s colour? If they were cloning themselves or doing any other things on human DNA there wouldn`t be any weak children. Also I read the translation from novel, where its state that cloning and making any experiments on human genome is prohibited (probably due what happen with Evolvers). Translation can be find here http://flamingo-chan.tumblr.com/post/52151325539/more-illustrations-from-suisei-no-gargantia-light
Also about ill children- even if robots could take control about everything in fight, there are still less chance for them as a piltos to survive. They probably need special care/aparature to keep them alive, which make me wonder about Avalon`s medicine development. Did they resigned of medical researches, because that would be waiste of time and resurces too, so it is better to get rid of ill individual?

Colascka said:
First of all- why do you think people reproducing by cloning themselves? Because they have similar hair`s colour? If they were cloning themselves or doing any other things on human DNA there wouldn`t be any weak children. Also I read the translation from novel, where its state that cloning and making any experiments on human genome is prohibited (probably due what happen with Evolvers). Translation can be find here http://flamingo-chan.tumblr.com/post/52151325539/more-illustrations-from-suisei-no-gargantia-light
Also about ill children- even if robots could take control about everything in fight, there are still less chance for them as a piltos to survive. They probably need special care/aparature to keep them alive, which make me wonder about Avalon`s medicine development. Did they resigned of medical researches, because that would be waiste of time and resurces too, so it is better to get rid of ill individual?

Fai said:
Its still genetic manipulation, just not a scientific one. Its a form of genetic selection - only those with desirable traits survive. And amongst desirable traits you have silver hair and purple eyes.

Its no different than what Nazis did.

Takuan_Soho said:


Mighty big assumption there, on multiple levels. Have you ever thought that perhaps the lack of sunlight for several hundred if not thousands of years has naturally resulted in a form of albinism?

Or even if we assume that they did genetic manipulation that perhaps it was necessary to compensate for the lack of sunlight? As such it wouldn't be "selection" as much as "necessity"?

As with nearly everything else about this series, we don't have the information to determine which is the case.

Colascka said:
Good point. Alibinism is an genetic desease, where skin does not produce melanin and also albinose doesn`t have a pigment in skin, eyes or hair. But then Ledo should have sunburns instead of tan, while his skin is sensitive to the sun.