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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Uhhh, wow much? Absolutely fantastic episode, sadly we're left off in a little of a cliffhanger(as if that's much of a surprise). The tension between Toua and the owner only grows in this episode, which is awesome. I can't wait for the next episode in the least, and I have to say I never thought I'd enjoy fictional baseball as much as I enjoy real baseball. Sadly, the one thing it lacked was even an appearance of Kojima, he was nowhere to be seen the entire episode, however it had so much Toua I think I can live. The only thing I could think of throughout the entire episode was "Damn Toua, I love this guy." He's really starting to show just how much of a beast he is. Hope you guys enjoyed this as much as me :3 |
BakayaroNov 6, 2008 6:33 PM
"I'd suck you~" Berri||Desu Ne? |
| Yes this episode was great. It relieved me that they found more ways for Toua to play his mindgames besides just pitching. |
| What an Owner making his team loose,anyway great episode |
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| With this episode I'm finally confident in saying this should definitely be a good series. It proved to me that it will do more than just have Toua beating everyone with ease and that it can continue to make the games and the Owner vs. Toua struggle more interesting as it goes on. Plus it actually made something involving baseball watchable, a feat rarely accomplished. |
| Can anyone explain to me, what exactly happened with this Imai triple play? Third baseman caught the ball and then run to second base, and... ?? And what about the guy who was already at third, why didn't he tried to run home? Please bear with me, as my knowledge about baseball is very superficial. |
| Fuck yeah, Toua! Damn, I still hyped-up about this episode. It was fun watching the owner rage about his failed attempt to make some profit out of the loss. Ah, sweet, sweet torture. However, about the cliffhanger I have my doubts. I get this feeling that Yoshida might do what the old geezer told him and after the game he'd be all guilty and all. I just get this feeling. Because, as much I freaking love Toua, its not fun if he'd get the prize every time he gets an opportunity. PS: I love the way his eyes are drawn. They're like haws ready to devour its prey. |
BlickWinkel said: Can anyone explain to me, what exactly happened with this Imai triple play? Third baseman caught the ball and then run to second base, and... ?? And what about the guy who was already at third, why didn't he tried to run home? Please bear with me, as my knowledge about baseball is very superficial. The ball didn't touch the ground before Imai caught it which means that runners shouldn't leave their base before it is caught. But I think that the runners thought it was going through so they left their bases already. Imai touched 2nd base before 2nd runner was able to come back and got him out. Then Imai ran for the first base runner and tagged him out. If 3rd base runner (Okabe) left the base before the ball was caught, he would have to go back before running home again. I suppose Imai got to the 1st base runner before Okabe got home. |
| This ep was really good! i also enjoyed it a lot im glad i decided to pick this up Absolutely_Steve said: that :DIt proved to me that it will do more than just have Toua beating everyone with ease |
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Metro said: best anime of the season BY FAR. Yeah, I thought this ep would be boring but IT'S fucking awesome! Can't wait arg~!! ZAWAAAAA ZAWAAAAAAA |
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evirob said: The ball didn't touch the ground before Imai caught it which means that runners shouldn't leave their base before it is caught. But I think that the runners thought it was going through so they left their bases already. Imai touched 2nd base before 2nd runner was able to come back and got him out. Then Imai ran for the first base runner and tagged him out. If 3rd base runner (Okabe) left the base before the ball was caught, he would have to go back before running home again. I suppose Imai got to the 1st base runner before Okabe got home. Thank you for explanation. I guess my problem is I didn't know there are some kind of restrictions, i.e. that you shouldn't leave the base before ball is caught - this is really new for me, I always thought you could (I guess that's what have to be done if you want steal the base... or not?) |
BlickWinkel said: Thank you for explanation. I guess my problem is I didn't know there are some kind of restrictions, i.e. that you shouldn't leave the base before ball is caught - this is really new for me, I always thought you could (I guess that's what have to be done if you want steal the base... or not?) I'm not sure of the case for stealing bases, since that's generally when the ball is being pitched. But that rule of not running before it's caught is so that runners don't all run home while the ball is still in the air, which can be awhile if it's a long pop fly to the outfields. And I think they can run if the ball hit the ground first. Not 100% sure though. I'm not familiar with all the rules of baseball either. |
BlickWinkel said: evirob said: The ball didn't touch the ground before Imai caught it which means that runners shouldn't leave their base before it is caught. But I think that the runners thought it was going through so they left their bases already. Imai touched 2nd base before 2nd runner was able to come back and got him out. Then Imai ran for the first base runner and tagged him out. If 3rd base runner (Okabe) left the base before the ball was caught, he would have to go back before running home again. I suppose Imai got to the 1st base runner before Okabe got home. Thank you for explanation. I guess my problem is I didn't know there are some kind of restrictions, i.e. that you shouldn't leave the base before ball is caught - this is really new for me, I always thought you could (I guess that's what have to be done if you want steal the base... or not?) A stolen base occurs when a baserunner leaves their base, for the next while the pitcher is still pitching to the plate. This however, was impossible because the bases were loaded, and no more than one player can be on any base at any time. The way the triple play worked was explained by rob, but to clarify. The ball was caught before reaching the ground, which prevents baserunners from advancing, and they have to go back to their last base to "tag up". Thinking Imai was stationary at third, he aimed for the gap between second and third which would usually be covered by the shortstop, who was sitting off to the side. Imai in an act of desperation somehow managed to catch the ball, causing the other runners to have to tag up. It's implied that the second base runner had long been runningfor third by the time Imai caught the ball, putting Imai closer to the second base bag making that an easy second out. It's also possible that the first base runner tagged up and reached second, though I'd argue it's more likely he simply didn't expect the ball to be caught, hence the look of fear on his face as he ran into Imai. One, two, three outs, triple play. I am somehow surprised that the guy on third didn't make it home though, but I'm not complaining :D Go Lycaons! Also, to clarify one other thing rob said, the reasoning behind tagging up, is that pop flies can take a while to come back down, and if you could just sink those and allow people to run home... Well, it'd make the game a lot less interesting. As long as a ball is caught before it reaches the ground, it is an out, and all runners have to tag up. However, they can't always run if the ball hits the ground first. If it lands outside of fair territory(first/third base lines), it's a foul ball which constitutes a strike, unless the batter already has two strikes, at which point he can't get a strikeout via a foul ball hit, unless he attempts to bunt and it goes foul. Of course, I'm not sure on the rule variations between NA/JP Baseball, so this could vary, though I'm not sure. Meh. |
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Bakayaro said: A stolen base occurs when a baserunner leaves their base, for the next while the pitcher is still pitching to the plate. This however, was impossible because the bases were loaded, and no more than one player can be on any base at any time. Ah, exactly, one question here - before Okabe stole the 2nd and 3rd base (after another SS failure) Toua threw ball to catcher - why there wasn't any strike/ball decision? You can throw ball to catcher anytime you want or what? I know you can to any field players (to prevent base stealing) allright, but to the catcher when hitter is waiting in the box? As for the rest, I think i get it - almost - all, thank you :) Two things are still unclear for me: one, I'm surprised that third runner didn't make it home too, second - when Imai was doing his desperate run I wonder what was second baseman doing? Enjoying his picnic? :) |
| No, you can't. I'm actually rewatching the episode, and I'm not seeing this. If you're refering to the ball he threw as Okabe went running, it's the same play. It's likely they(the producers of the show) didn't bother showing the call since they didn't really view it "relevant". Now, in order to prevent stealing, you do have the option to pick off a base runner. Basically, a runner can lead off of the base, in order to have a shorter distance to run to the next one. It's a double edged sword, because if you lead off too far the pitcher can easily throw the ball to first base and beat you to it, or if you choose to run to second, you're likely to get stuck in a pickle, or rather a rundown. Basically, you can throw it to any infielder provided they have a baserunner at their base. As for the second baserunner, I wouldn't say enjoying his picnic. That's a hell of a ball to catch, and it probably rather caught him offguard that a "stationary" player moved. Basically, First and Third baseman typically play pretty close to their bases. However, in the case of a second baseman, they generally play off the bag, towards first. What this does is it creates a gap at second base. To help remedy this some, you have the shortstop playing parallel to the second baseman on the other side of the field. Without the shorstop there, the first baseman was cover a bit more of second, and second was trying to cover shortstop, but only so much can be done. It's probably more likely that he had an enormous leadoff, and by the time Imai made it to where the ball would be, Imai was closer to second whereas the runner was closer to third. This is speculation though, and pretty much damn near impossible as far as I can think about it or tell. |
BakayaroNov 8, 2008 11:14 AM
"I'd suck you~" Berri||Desu Ne? |
| oh God, this show just keeps getting better after each episode. I concur with Metro's sentiment, this is the best show of the season. Toua continues to own every batter he faces and at the same time, gaining the respect of his teammates, one by one. I do hope for more awesome feats from the guy, not to mention when Kojima returns to the line-up, the team would be so much better. Everything the owner has done should have blown up in his face by then. oh, and I lol'd at the guy who got caught for the 3rd out in the Triple Play by Imai. The Eagle player screaming at the top of his lungs before he got tagged was just hilarious. :D |
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| Toua basically has no authority. He's just a toolbag, which is why I love him. That, and Yoshida knew it would hurt the team more than him just missing balls, so he was more or less following orders from the owner. Generally, it's not often a baseball team will have a "captain" either, at least not in NA. So, had Yoshida decided to stay there for whatever reason, Toua couldn't have done much of anything. |
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| The whole "Closed glove/Open glove" weakness was pretty unconvincing. I'm pretty sure anyone (let alone a pro-pitcher) would suspect something was up after having five balls hit in a row. Even if you couldn't figure out Toua's plan, the obvious answer would be to sometimes open the glove intentionally, sometimes not, at random, until you figured out the pattern. Also, the team manager is hilariously stupid. Sure, profits might be going up (10% apparently) the way things are, but imagine if you had a pitcher that didn't let a single batter on base for an entire season. You'd be able to rake in so much cash exploiting how invincible Toua is that it would more than make up for his steep salary. It's retarded that he hasn't figured this out yet. |
naikou said: Also, the team manager is hilariously stupid. Sure, profits might be going up (10% apparently) the way things are, but imagine if you had a pitcher that didn't let a single batter on base for an entire season. You'd be able to rake in so much cash exploiting how invincible Toua is that it would more than make up for his steep salary. It's retarded that he hasn't figured this out yet. Maybe he hasn't maybe he has, but it doesn't matter now. What matters now is owner's wounded ambition and resentment. "How such taken from nowhere as*hole like Toua dares to make me a fool? He definitely needs a lesson" It's not logical alright, but it's very human like. |
| Well... maybe, but we've already been told that the manager is motivated by one thing, and one thing only: Money. He's been perfectly happy to sell his pride in the past, why should that change now? I agree that revenge is a very human motive, but it's not consistent with the manager's character. In the end, though, the manager has completely screwed himself over, and still doesn't realize it. He can: A) Kick Toua off of the team, in which case the fans will be extremely angry, probably damaging profits B) Not use Toua in a game again - with probably the same result C) Let Toua play, and pay him a fortune Now, the manager is supposed to be a smart guy when it comes to money (he calculated the results of Toua's contract nearly instantly). I just don't understand why he can't find a way to pay Toua and take advantage of his skills. |
| Wow, this show is certainly going to make the wait for Kaiji season 2 a little less painful. Fantastic Stuff!! And yes, the owner is a total A-hole in not really caring if his team wins or loses. I can certainly relate to feeling that way about the Philly owners until the Phillies finally won this season, lol. |
backlash said: However, if he were smarter, he would realize that the more wins equals more profits. That is true... just to touch on the manager situation, while his team was batting he seemed to be angry that they were coming back, how would that be relevant to his Toua hate? It's not like the team coming back to win the game would be losing him anything, it is one thing to wish that Toua gives up runs, but it doesn't make any sense that he just wants his team to lose in general. |
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MEGATRON said: ...but it doesn't make any sense that he just wants his team to lose in general. Xaintrix said: Well there's a couple problems with the rally back. First, if Toua were to rally the team to tie it up and go to extra innings, then Toua would have to be paid more for his extended outing. Precisely. This anime has a lot of good ideas, but it misses some glaring contradictions, which ruins the whole effect. If the writers of this anime want me to believe Toua is a genius, they better start putting more thought into the things he does. Let's hope next episode clears up most of the issues. |
| This guy is a demon. I'm glad it went this route than someone better than him showed up. I can't wait to see how this whole series turns out. I'm so excited I just can't wait to watch the next ep. :) |
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| It's good to see Toua not throw strikes every time. I'm happy they mixed it up more and made it more of a team thing and not just about Toua. I think I might end up liking this show as long as they keep it going like this episode but also toss in a loss or two. |
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| Good episode. I'm anxious to see what the shortstop does, I don't trust him, but I think Toua will make him irrelevant. |
| I got to say Imai putting out 3 people was sweet. ^^ The owner of the team is such an idiot all he cares about is money. -_- |
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| Brilliant episode!!!!! I know zero about baseball, so I'm glad they're not focussing on specific plays or superhuman feats, but the mindgames! Lol at the owner, at this point its not just about the money, it's about pride, ego and winning... nobody wins but I!!! XD I kinda felt sorry for Mizuhashi, the pincher for the other team ... maybe not!!! But another cliffhanger!!!!!! I'm glad I picked this up late, all this suspense would be bad for my health. ^^ |
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| Damn it... I think I need to marathon this show to make sure I don't die at the end of every cliffhanging episode. fantasticly done. I knew what toua was up to though :D yay. The Owner isn't that much of an evil guy... just business savvy and greedy... if they didn't add the red background and evil grins, he'd be any sports owner :P |
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| oh man again....*bows down to Toua* |
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| explanation of how he screwed over that pitcher was longer than it needed to be, but I'm assuming that's because they're assuming that we're stupid :/ liked this episode overall, wonder if the short stop will betray the owner :) |
| Damn, they all fall to Toua's trap! all of them, Devil's trap |
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| Another great episode. Toua rules. |
| Really liked this episode. Seems like Toua is gonna fight the hardest battles against his teammates/teamowner.. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| Haha,he just chased out the shortstop.And the owner is such a douche... |
 "Only the dead have seen the end of war". ~Plato~ |
| Toua let him back on, but he must have a plan I think. Knowing him, I doubt he'd fall into the owner's trap, instead it's the other way around. I loved his plan, he really messed with that pitcher, it'll probably mess his game up for the other games he ends up playing against other teams :o |
| Toua is a great tactician.Now he really looks like Hiruma. |
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| Toua is a great tactician indeed. He's getting cooler by the minute. XD |
| That unassisted triple play was funny. The owner of the team reminds me of the owner from Major League. |
| That owner is such an asshole. And Toua is a genius xD |
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| Wow, the owner is actually trying to tank the team and make them lose? Not only that but he pays off his players, manager, and personnel to do so? What a douchebag. Take him for all he's worth Toua!!!!!!!! |
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