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HibiChouchou said: And you know this because...? That's just speculation on your part. Lol the reason why the author decided to change JJBA to Seinen, was in fact, it could not compete with other shounen shows. If I have to form my own speculation, JJBA moved towards seinen because it has much bloodier/gorier stuffs. Which was fine in the past (e.g. some of Go Nagai's works were shounen but would have been seinen by today's standards). And I'm not sure you realize this, but JJBA is pretty influential you know? Man, are people really judging JJBA because of the first 2 episodes? Like seriously? HibiChouchou said: Well, that is your opinion, so I'm not going to challenge that.Changing the style from shounen to seinen, is changing the demographic it aims at, to the mature audience, because the story isn't interesting or addictive like shounen shows in this era. Takana_no_Hana said: Calm down, it's been only 2 episodes. So does the show have anything interesting so far which are worthy to praise? Both of you. |
NilviusOct 13, 2012 4:26 AM
HibiChouchou said: Again, speculations on your part (with the regards to the 'why'). Even artists need money bro, they need to make living. To be honest, if it was stood among the top, above naruto, one piece, then the author would definitely not bother changing its style. http://jjba.wikia.com/wiki/JoJo%27s_Bizarre_Adventure Look at the run time, No.6, this time was the time when one piece, naruto appeared, and many other shounen appeared, Jojo's still a shounen. But after 3 years, it changed the style, to a monthly seinen. I'm not gonna dig in this matter, at least I want to see what kind of classic is the show. And again, nothing wrong with that. Alright I shall now abandon this thread. It's just going around in circles. |
NilviusOct 13, 2012 4:38 AM
| Amazing episode. Great opening and very nice OST during the battles. The next episode will be EPIC, looking forward to it. For the people here complaining about the story: stop taking Jojo's story so seriously or comparing with the typical nowadays childish shounen style, as the title says it's "bizarre adventures", when you all start to watch for the bizarre enemies and creative fight scenes more than its different (and faster) story telling, you'll see why Jojo's still so famous, hyped and unique. |
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| It is enough to speculate things wrong when you have not even read the manga. The style is constantly changing, so I throw you into the part 4 you will see that it is far, be as in part 1. Also stop saying bullshit when Jojo and DB inspired a lot manga you've named. HXH took Jojo base with the nen, he also took some power of ''Stand'' for character in his manga. The reason he wanted to go into the Ultra because he wanted to have more freedom. The guy did a great job, he can relaxed and do what he wants. |
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| Jojo was changed into a Seinen magazine because Araki's stories fit much more in the seinen category than the shonen category. That's it. And please, stop comparing Jojo with the nowadays battle shonen because it simply cannot be compared. Jojo lived in a reality totally different than the "new" shonen lives, and judge the whole 108-volume series by just 2 episodes of the anime (that equals 1 volume) is just stupid. |
| ^^^ Fate/Zero and deep story don't mix. And the style of JJBA is great so far, I like it very much. Not generic like most of them new anime are. And what does poularity have to do with quality? -___- |
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 Dio keeps me interested (all his poses) and that hovercar Dio, lol, but all in all this was kind of a really boring episode. Dio is the only good character design while everyone else is just too old and way too buff that it becomes unappealing. The lack of friendship stuff just made this rough to get through (I loved the opening football thing) but it was all for naught when both revealed theyve been faking it and clearly have no aspiration to rebuild any at all, so I doubt it will ever come again. Hopefully the series improves from here and gets better, or else this will be a rough 26 or so episodes. |
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Takana_no_Hana said: But I'm not too fond of the art styles though. Anime has evolved, now look back at this, although it's one of the classic but pretty much mediocre, it's still a normal shounen ... Jojo: a normal shonen. Are you kidding me? Even if you don't like it, you can't say that this show doesn't have anything special. Anyway, I liked that second episode. It's interesting how Dio hate his father despite being the same kind of cunning bastard. I can't wait to see what role this mask will play in the story. |
| Thought it was very stupid tbh. The Close up's and the Angles remind me of a soap opera lmao. I can't take the srs scene's srsly, I laugh at them lol. What a letdown. Dropped~ |
Mikasa said: ^^^ Fate/Zero and deep story don't mix. And the style of JJBA is great so far, I like it very much. Not generic like most of them new anime are. And what does poularity have to do with quality? -___- edl01 said: Well this thread seems to have broken down to the typical "new anime vs old anime" war that was inebitable. This argument is actually really stupid. I enjoyed Madoka, F/Z and other recent titles such as Jinrui for their good storytelling and directing just as much as I enjoy Jojo, Hokuto no Ken and stuff like City Hunter. The problem is most people are narrowminded, this extends to both the fans blinded by nostalgia, the guys who only care about pretty designs and good animation and of course the pseudo-elitists who sometimes seem to be a combination of these two... |
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Takana_no_Hana said: How about you trying some shounen-ish stuffs nowadays such as FMA, Gintama, Magi? Well, I've watched those shows, soooo... Ofc this show has its charms, such as the art styles, classic type, but sorry, until now there's nothing much special, just like the guy above me said. Let's just face with the criticisms. I'm not saying that it's bad, but there's nothing special yet to be liked. I love how you say there's "nothing much special" after only two episodes. Ahaha, I could have said the same for FMA, Gintama and Magi after the first couple of episodes. Oh well Psycho-pass is much more entertaining. Dropped this. Aaaaand back to the cookie cutter. Oh well, can't please everybody. |
MasterKingJC said: Oh well Psycho-pass is much more entertaining. Dropped this. Aaaaand back to the cookie cutter. Oh well, can't please everybody. How is it cookie cutter then? evaluate a bit plz, 0kay, you can post it in Psycho-pass thread, the script is pretty much original. Let's discuss about that in psycho since I don't want to derail it in this thread. http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=503131&show=340 btw, first episode of FMAB really got me hooked. Same for Gintama. and looks like another person has dropped this, I guess it can't please everyone. |
Takana_no_HanaOct 13, 2012 8:03 AM
Nidhoeggr said: Mikasa said: ^^^ Fate/Zero and deep story don't mix. And the style of JJBA is great so far, I like it very much. Not generic like most of them new anime are. And what does poularity have to do with quality? -___- edl01 said: Well this thread seems to have broken down to the typical "new anime vs old anime" war that was inebitable. This argument is actually really stupid. I enjoyed Madoka, F/Z and other recent titles such as Jinrui for their good storytelling and directing just as much as I enjoy Jojo, Hokuto no Ken and stuff like City Hunter. The problem is most people are narrowminded, this extends to both the fans blinded by nostalgia, the guys who only care about pretty designs and good animation and of course the pseudo-elitists who sometimes seem to be a combination of these two... I enjoyed it too, to an extent, but it doesn't have that "deep" story people talk about >.> just like most shonens it tries and pretends but in the end it's not that at all. Also, Excalibur seems to agree with me. |
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Mikasa said: Nidhoeggr said: Mikasa said: ^^^ Fate/Zero and deep story don't mix. And the style of JJBA is great so far, I like it very much. Not generic like most of them new anime are. And what does poularity have to do with quality? -___- edl01 said: Well this thread seems to have broken down to the typical "new anime vs old anime" war that was inebitable. This argument is actually really stupid. I enjoyed Madoka, F/Z and other recent titles such as Jinrui for their good storytelling and directing just as much as I enjoy Jojo, Hokuto no Ken and stuff like City Hunter. The problem is most people are narrowminded, this extends to both the fans blinded by nostalgia, the guys who only care about pretty designs and good animation and of course the pseudo-elitists who sometimes seem to be a combination of these two... I enjoyed it too, to an extent, but it doesn't have that "deep" story people talk about >.> just like most shonens it tries and pretends but in the end it's not that at all. Also, Excalibur seems to agree with me. F/Z is so far away from shounen it's silly. And I know my shounen. |
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Takana_no_Hana said: Especially the psychology and philosophy lie behind. I'm sure the journey of Elric brothers in FMA is much more epic than JoJo's adventure. How can you judge the epicness of an anime after only 2 episodes? Clannad has popularized the drama genre to most of anime viewers, the only old show I've watched was grave of the fireflies, but if I tell my friend to watch it, I better not. Grave of the Fireflies has popularized anime in western countries and it is often listed at one of the best movie ever. In term of influence, it is leagues above Clannad. Hatchins said: Thought it was very stupid tbh. The Close up's and the Angles remind me of a soap opera lmao. I can't take the srs scene's srsly, I laugh at them lol. Maybe because you shouldn't take it that seriously. Look at the name of the show? Look at all those flashy pose and visual effect? Look at the character design, at the beginning of the anime, they were something like 12. |
HibiChouchou said: Mikasa said: I enjoyed it too, to an extent, but it doesn't have that "deep" story people talk about >.> just like most shonens it tries and pretends but in the end it's not that at all. Also, Excalibur seems to agree with me. Are you serious, it's not shounen, F/Z is not shounen. It has the typical shonen retardations and format whether it's officially shonen or not. It's also like Digimon, but for teenagers. Every 5 episodes you get one scene that you'd consider mature(mostly convos , but that's it, the rest is basically fancy talk that is too obvious it's laughable. Reminds me of CG. |
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SetsukoHara said: Takana_no_Hana said: Especially the psychology and philosophy lie behind. I'm sure the journey of Elric brothers in FMA is much more epic than JoJo's adventure. How can you judge the epicness of an anime after only 2 episodes? Clannad has popularized the drama genre to most of anime viewers, the only old show I've watched was grave of the fireflies, but if I tell my friend to watch it, I better not. Grave of the Fireflies has popularized anime in western countries and it is often listed at one of the best movie ever. In term of influence, it is leagues above Clannad. Sr but it's not what happened in MAL, and I'm not in western countries either. The chart speaks for itself. In term of popularity, clannad leagues above. Or should I restate it as the number of audiences nowadays who watched clannad, is more than GOTF. But GOTF is well known for its humanity, and accepted by most of the criticizer. And yeap GOTF is one of the greatest animated film. It's one of my fav animated movie. But I doubt newbies would just sit there and watch if they weren't seriously into anime. |
Takana_no_HanaOct 13, 2012 9:03 AM
fdsfgs said: Does anyone know how long it takes for a new fansub group request to be approved? I've been trying to request DUWANG be added as a fansub group for this series every day for a week now, but I'm not sure how to check the status of my request or even how long it usually takes. DUWANG is awesome :P I will rich for me only xD |
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| I don't care how good new joJo's will be, I am already in love with the first part. There was not one thing I disliked in the episode and even Jojo turned into a likable character. If next parts really are better... well, bring it on baby for I am ready B-D So much damn generic crap, you know whats mediocre?: fanservice harem and moe! Totally a downgrade, you are free to not like the series or its artsyle but dont speak none-sense, screw stories , screw characters, all it takes nowadays to make anime is panties, tits and cute girls doing cute things, evolve my **** Fanservice exists in every genre in every time. You can jump in every point in the past and you will give you a list of what they consider generic crap. And as in every time, there is quite a few of good shows in every season, especially in Springs and Autumns. I don't even touch fanservice, harem and moe and yet I still have shows to watch. Art style evolved?? Yea sure, What bad tastes you have to like supposed art style that looks the damn same, its impossible to distinguish characters nowadays, the same shitty generic and cheap art-style and designs used over and over again., One can guess from which age art-style is by just looking at it. 90's, 80's and even 70's, all have their respective popular art styles. That there are a lot of shows and Manga using the similar style in same time is decades old history. The only difference is that it seems you only now got to notice all this. Oh well, not all its lost with you yet then as psycho-pass has lot of potential, gets a plus for openly saying it aims to counter so called "evolution". Psycho-Pass is filled with cliche's used for decades. The expectations for it are its writer: Urobuchi Gen, a man people trust will make something special soon enough. Also I´ll say it directly you lack taste if you believe "art-style" has evolved and shallow for grounding your opinion on looks, like I said, nowadays screw stories and characters, the core of what makes something great, NOT looks. Ah yes, the same thing criticizers repeat for decades and centuries in all story-making industries, just because they now started to realize that not everything on the market ain't awesome. Again, I repeat you are free to not like the art-style, but its totally non-sense your so called "anime has evolved", and this remark alone is what I am referring to. It does evolve every year. Just because it is not something you find good does not mean it didn't evolve. Evolution is just change, not transformation into something everyone will agree on is better. This argument is actually really stupid. I enjoyed Madoka, F/Z and other recent titles such as Jinrui for their good storytelling and directing just as much as I enjoy Jojo, Hokuto no Ken and stuff like City Hunter. The problem is most people are narrowminded, this extends to both the fans blinded by nostalgia, the guys who only care about pretty designs and good animation and of course the pseudo-elitists who sometimes seem to be a combination of these two... ^This It has the typical shonen retardations and format whether it's officially shonen or not. It's also like Digimon, but for teenagers. Every 5 episodes you get one scene that you'd consider mature(mostly convos , but that's it, the rest is basically fancy talk that is too obvious it's laughable. Reminds me of CG. F/Z has elements of both elements and inspirations from Shounens and Seinens... as well as pros and cons of both styles. |
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Takana_no_Hana said: Sr but it's not what happened in MAL, and I'm not in western countries either. The chart speaks for itself. In term of popularity, clannad leagues above. Or should I restate it as the number of audiences nowadays who watched clannad, is more than GOTF. But GOTF is well known for its humanity, and accepted by most of the criticizer. And yeap GOTF is one of the greatest animated film. It's one of my fav animated movie. What I meant was that: The audience of GOTF is much more diverse than the audience of Clannad. Only people who like anime would watch Clannad. |
SetsukoHara said: What I meant was that: The audience of GOTF is much more diverse than the audience of Clannad. Only people who like anime would watch Clannad. And they could never be into anime, with them animated movies are just like those normal movies. And that's not what the industry aimed for, since there were hardly any shows like that. Ghibli made light hearted anime movies such as My neighbor Totoro, Kiki's Delivery Service, and many more after. GOTF is like a one time animated movie, and with such a depress but humankind story, kids have to be mature enough to understand what the show wants to deliver. That why a portion watching it is adult as well. The film's initial theatrical release in Japan was accompanied by Hayao Miyazaki's much more lighthearted My Neighbor Totoro as a double feature. In commercial terms, the theatrical release was a failure.[citation needed] While the two films were marketed toward children and their parents, the rather stark nature of Grave of the Fireflies turned away most audiences -wiki Just a quote FYI. |
Takana_no_HanaOct 13, 2012 9:24 AM
| I hate the fact this is 26 episodes. I want it to continue all they way to my favorite character Kujo Jotaro. Jonathan Joestar great great grandson. Takana_no_Hana said: Oh well Psycho-pass is much more entertaining. Dropped this. So you saying a show with an annoying bitch thats going to slow down the main guy is more entertaining. I guess you like silly side characters like Sakura(naruto). |
Takana_no_Hana said: leokiko said: MasterKingJC said: Lol, looks like there are some people who are too accustomed to generic, cookie-cutter moe faces. My exact thoughts. How about you trying some shounen-ish stuffs nowadays such as FMA, Gintama, Magi? Ofc this show has its charms, such as the art styles, classic type, but sorry, until now there's nothing much special, just like the guy above me said. Let's just face with the criticisms. I'm not saying that it's bad, but there's nothing special yet to be liked. Oh well Psycho-pass is much more entertaining. Dropped this. Good. You left, huh? That's exactly what I wanted you to do. One less to criticize a show after only 2 episodes for "abusing cliches". WUT? FMA, Gintama and Magi? You just listed my favorite shounens(well, except for HxH). |
leokikoOct 13, 2012 9:34 AM
bonifide said: I hate the fact this is 26 episodes. I want it to continue all they way to my favorite character Kujo Jotaro. Jonathan Joestar great great grandson. Takana_no_Hana said: Oh well Psycho-pass is much more entertaining. Dropped this. So you saying a show with an annoying bitch thats going to slow down the main guy is more entertaining. I guess you like silly side characters like Sakura(naruto). If you understand and try to analyze her mental state first before making assumption, you will probably understand the show better. Slicer22 said: It requires deep thoughts, and by judging the char's appearance, or actions as annoying without noticing proper situation first, then yeah go ahead and call her annoying, or drop it, do whatever you like cause idc, with you all the show has was just having good animation, annoying chars. So I won't evaluate more, it's pointless anyway. K let's stop derailing this matter(psycho thing) since it's a JoJo thread. Nayrael said: You've earned my respect, you're right to the point, anime industry has never stopped evolving. Whoever doesn't realize that, well I've nothing to say to them anyway. Oh well, not all its lost with you yet then as psycho-pass has lot of potential, gets a plus for openly saying it aims to counter so called "evolution". Psycho-Pass is filled with cliche's used for decades. The expectations for it are its writer: Urobuchi Gen, a man people trust will make something special soon enough. Exactly, that is what I'm expecting for when watching Psycho-pass, cause I'm waiting for something amazing to be pulled out by Gen, guess I don't need mention about F/Z, here's something worth digging in Madoka: http://imperialx.wordpress.com/2011/04/22/madoka-doesnt-need-a-sequel-to-explain-itself/ with all the debates and stuff, there's gonna be a sequential movie. And by all means, these 're a few in many products of evolution(which success ofc). |
Takana_no_HanaOct 13, 2012 10:01 AM
| Please, talk in private. If you want to talk about Psycho-Pass, there is a topic for that |
fdsfgs said: Does anyone know how long it takes for a new fansub group request to be approved? I've been trying to request DUWANG be added as a fansub group for this series every day for a week now, but I'm not sure how to check the status of my request or even how long it usually takes. I am the only one who thinks that DUWANG would instantly be the top rated sub group for this anime? Stuff like "rich for me only", "King me!", "Ihate the rich, but i don't them" or the ingenious opening & ending translations deserve to be watched by everyone. |
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| ^ Nayrael said: I don't care how good new joJo's will be, I am already in love with the first part. There was not one thing I disliked in the episode and even Jojo turned into a likable character. If next parts really are better... well, bring it on baby for I am ready B-D So much damn generic crap, you know whats mediocre?: fanservice harem and moe! Totally a downgrade, you are free to not like the series or its artsyle but dont speak none-sense, screw stories , screw characters, all it takes nowadays to make anime is panties, tits and cute girls doing cute things, evolve my **** Fanservice exists in every genre in every time. You can jump in every point in the past and you will give you a list of what they consider generic crap. And as in every time, there is quite a few of good shows in every season, especially in Springs and Autumns. I don't even touch fanservice, harem and moe and yet I still have shows to watch. Art style evolved?? Yea sure, What bad tastes you have to like supposed art style that looks the damn same, its impossible to distinguish characters nowadays, the same shitty generic and cheap art-style and designs used over and over again., One can guess from which age art-style is by just looking at it. 90's, 80's and even 70's, all have their respective popular art styles. That there are a lot of shows and Manga using the similar style in same time is decades old history. The only difference is that it seems you only now got to notice all this. Oh well, not all its lost with you yet then as psycho-pass has lot of potential, gets a plus for openly saying it aims to counter so called "evolution". Psycho-Pass is filled with cliche's used for decades. The expectations for it are its writer: Urobuchi Gen, a man people trust will make something special soon enough. Also I´ll say it directly you lack taste if you believe "art-style" has evolved and shallow for grounding your opinion on looks, like I said, nowadays screw stories and characters, the core of what makes something great, NOT looks. Ah yes, the same thing criticizers repeat for decades and centuries in all story-making industries, just because they now started to realize that not everything on the market ain't awesome. Again, I repeat you are free to not like the art-style, but its totally non-sense your so called "anime has evolved", and this remark alone is what I am referring to. It does evolve every year. Just because it is not something you find good does not mean it didn't evolve. Evolution is just change, not transformation into something everyone will agree on is better. This argument is actually really stupid. I enjoyed Madoka, F/Z and other recent titles such as Jinrui for their good storytelling and directing just as much as I enjoy Jojo, Hokuto no Ken and stuff like City Hunter. The problem is most people are narrowminded, this extends to both the fans blinded by nostalgia, the guys who only care about pretty designs and good animation and of course the pseudo-elitists who sometimes seem to be a combination of these two... ^This It has the typical shonen retardations and format whether it's officially shonen or not. It's also like Digimon, but for teenagers. Every 5 episodes you get one scene that you'd consider mature(mostly convos , but that's it, the rest is basically fancy talk that is too obvious it's laughable. Reminds me of CG. F/Z has elements of both elements and inspirations from Shounens and Seinens... as well as pros and cons of both styles. This post probably enlighten you a little, and dw this is the last post that I wrote. It's pointless to discuss anyway since most fan boy just don't accept serious criticisms. |
Takana_no_HanaOct 13, 2012 11:21 AM
| How can they be fanboys with only 2 episodes in? This isn't SAO or Gintama (trololo reference) |
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HibiChouchou said: It occurs to me that fan boys just don't take criticisms about the show seriously. I enjoy the episode so far but when I read its manga I just found out that berserk is better in comparison, my all time fav manga that is <3. With 26episode this show is quite risky to invest in. The style looks like western comic at first though. Wonder if the length is long enough to finish the first arc. Comparing the overall weakest part to Berserk is really pointless. |
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| ^ yes but this show is actually pure gold right now >.< So it's different lol |
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How can they be fanboys with only 2 episodes in? It simple, there are person who read the manga and we(or they) love it. Part 4 must be animate for see Kira Yoshikage |
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