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| Awesome, awesome episode. The scene where Mugen was sinking down into the water reminded me a lot of the Cowboy Bebop episode where Spike was falling out of the church window. Same director, so it makes sense. |
| I liked Koza, for me she was a very poor girl... I like characters that are realistic, and she was. Most of people, if they were in her situation would do the same what she did. After watching that episode and reading offensive comments about Koza I unliked Mugen in some way :/ |
| Some bachground story of Mugen. One of the best episodes so far. |
| that was phenomenal |
| :3 |
monkeydluffy94 said: Toward the ending scene you guys act like mugen was angry or wanted revenge. Thats not the bushido way. That's not really relevant at all. Mugen couldn't care less about the Bushido way. People in this thread are really exaggerating the extent of Koza's crimes here. Koza wasn't truly a villain at all, she was just seizing an opportunity to escape an abusive relationship with her brother. With that being said, it cost the lives of many people, and also lead to the death of Mukuro. I'd say that to a certain extent, Mukuro meant something to Mugen. He wasn't exactly important to him, but he was an old childhood friend, and no matter what bullshit he puts him through, he's still just that. Personally, I don't think Mugen would've killed Mukuro. This isn't the first time Mukuro's screwed him over, he'd probably just beat the crap out of him and leave him alone. In any case, Koza still committed a crime, and Mugen felt the need to punish her by leaving her with nothing. If anything, I feel as if he was trying to leave her with a lesson above all else. Mugen isn't completely heartless, he still regarded Koza as a childhood friend, but he clearly tried to cut off his attachments with them. Like when he says that he doesn't remember telling her about them looking like grains of sand, in the flashback, it's shown that he does remember. So yeah, Mugen pities her and spares her life while punishing her for what she's done. By the time Mugen passes her and she's screaming for him to kill her, I think Mugen's completely detached himself from her and his past, and is just telling her to move the fuck on in life, become independent. Koza isn't a villain, she isn't a whore. At the end of the episode, she's nothing to him anymore. |
| LMAO Koza had it all planned out perfectly. Can't completely blame her for getting corrupted from living a shit life because of your brother, but at least she has completely new starting point in life. |
| The Koza hate here is kind of unreasonable, she lived a f#cked up life and found a way to get out of it and Mugen's not some kind of saint who gave her what she deserved. The only one who deserved what he got was Mukuro, Koza was more a victim of circumstance, many call her a dependant whore but this was surely not a nice period for women to live in |
| As happens with Shinichiro anime, people are missing the point complely with whether she deserved it or not or whether it was revenge induced or not. The series doesn't give a crap about who deserve to die or not. As a whole it was a character growth for mugen. When he walked past koza, it symbolized him getting over his past, finally. And yes, Koza is an antagonist and not a thousand posts are going to change that. The question is, who suddenly decides that you can't hate an antagonist just because she's led a shit life? I don't know but hating her is quite justified. |
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| What?! I totally don't get why Koza is being called a whore. How is she an antagonist? I don't recall any betrayal by her. It was Mugen's choice to take up Mukuro's job, and that too after being betrayed by him before in the past. Koza had no part in it. Only after she thought Mugen was dead did she get Jin to kill Mukuro, and it seems that part of the intent was to actually avenge Mugen. I also absolutely don't get why Mugen totally fucked up her life. Such an asshole. |
| Like someone said before me, reading such hateful, ignorant posts about Koza is pure, unadultered cancer. Great episode. It really was about the growth of Mugen as a character. |
| This episode confuses me.. |
| Best episode so far, everything was perfect ! |
| Damn, that ending left me with some feels. The whole episode was kinda sad. |
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| First you are like "at least someone got a happy ending" and then you are like "fuuucckk!". Not that the girl even deserved one. Her action's were understandable but she was still a shitty person for doing what she did. |
| Now that conclusion seemed to be just like how samurai champloo is. Especially the moment towards the end when mugen just walks in like a badass and cuts that guy down. |
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Vaiketime2025 said: still missed his capoeira like moves though.cartoonartist said: Now that conclusion seemed to be just like how samurai champloo is. Especially the moment towards the end when mugen just walks in like a badass and cuts that guy down. Not to mention he cut the guy down when he was only LIMPING towards the two. Koza and the guy should have just ran. |
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| Probably the best episode so far. 5/5 |
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| second time I watched this episode and honestly I think it may be one of the best episodes of any anime I have seen. |
| Did Mugen jump ship? Oh, man... She couldn't run away, because she knew what she did was wrong... but what could she do? She's a nice person with a crappy life. The whole thing ends on a grim note, with so many people dead, most for a bad reason. |
| That song that played during Mugen's flashback was chilling, like damn! |
| “I love heroes, but I don't want to be one. Do you even know what a hero is!? For example, you have some meat. Pirates will feast on the meat, but the hero will distribute it among the people! I want to eat the meat!” - Monkey D. Luffy |
| damn this episode was way more intense than i ever expected from this series |
| Objectivity doesn't exist. Subjectivity is an excuse. Beautiful world of online discourse. |
| Really nice episode, that scene in the end was so good. |
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| Wow, I can't believe the sister wanted her brother killed and to set up Mugen. A really great episode. I'm glad Mugen took away the sisters lover and as previously stated, left her with nothing and no one so that she in fact wanted to also be killed, because she had nothing left to live for. Her brother and her tried to take away his life twice so she deserved it. They made him have to go on the run and ruined his life. |
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| Better than Jin's love story |
| Who ever the guy was a few episodes back that said "It's all downhill from here".. Boy, was he wrong. Some of the most intense and impactful minutes of anime I have seen. There are very little shows that can glue me to the screen like Samurai Champloo managed to do it here. Evangelion, Haibane Renmei, Satoshi Kon movies, that's about it. This show was already good before this episode, but I feel like it just got elevated to a new level. This might become one of my favorites. |
| That insert song was something. |
If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
| That insert song was something. |
| If you are going to disagree with me, don't bother talking to me. I will seriously hurt you! |
| I dont understand why Mugen was walking to them in the first place as well as why they guy she was with started to attack him. |
| That was fantastic, what a great way to portray Mugen's past with bits of scenes here and there and man the song fucking epic not to forget the last scene man imagine if Mugen comes to you with that angry face he was like a shinigami collecting souls. |
| Seeing this thread bumped on the main discussion page, then seeing the title. Probably my favourite episode of the entire series. The emotions conveyed in the scene of Mugen drowning still gives me goosebumps every time i so much as think of it. |
 Recommend me some short Manga! |
| Mugen alive.. But dem.. The gold will be lost until someone explores that hidden place. |
| Mugens revenge was pretty awesome how I didn't like that he survived pretty much without explanation. |
| Perfect episode. The scene with Mugen sinking was so striking. This is one of the best episodes so far, along with Jin's romance. I think this is a really great episode considering the depth of Koza and Mugen as characters. They are both neutral characters trying to survive. Mugen knew that Koza manipulated things in order to find the best quality of life (which was incredibly hard considering her brother), but he was royally pissed and didn't have time to spare the life of her boyfriend because he attacked him. Mugen didn't kill Koza because she didn't directly hurt him, but since the circumstances almost got him killed, he had no regrets on slicing that guy into pieces. |
LycanMay 17, 2018 5:36 PM
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| Rewatching this ep after years, so many immature comments in the first few pages, it's sad this many people can miss the point of this episode and this show as a whole. This isn't a fairy tail, where Koza can just solve all her problems if she has enough willpower. Everything isn't so black and white, people who think Koza is some villain need to take a look at Mugen himself, and I loved Mugen this episode. |
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| Meh, I didn't care about Koza to be honest. I'm glad she and the other guy weren't able to get away with their plans. |
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