| I never played the VN so I can't tell. On the anime, it seems it's okay. Can someone explain this to me how this series really that bad for you? I've seen a lot of people hates this series. ._. |
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| I would say it was that bad. It was interesting to watch while I was watching it. Would I go back and watch it again? No. Shuhan, we can always hope. I would watch it. |
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Shuhan said: Is there no hope for another season? There's still hope if you keep on buying the anime or something. |
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| It's not that bad imo, around episode 20 though its just stupid, it goes from continuing the main story to introducing a new one without finishing the one before, won't say anything specific, but the switch of main characters and points of view was this anime's downfall |
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| It was horrendous. The main character, even when the witch would prove him wrong with actual evidence/magic tricks, would continue to whine over and over and over throughout the anime that she was wrong and shit was fake. Repeat that x10 with every episode. It was just an irritating thing to sit through. |
Venom900 said: It's not that bad imo, around episode 20 though its just stupid, it goes from continuing the main story to introducing a new one without finishing the one before, won't say anything specific, but the switch of main characters and points of view was this anime's downfall Funny because it's one of the most important parts for the main story.The anime's downfall was studio Deen. Vesanus said: It was horrendous. The main character, even when the witch would prove him wrong with actual evidence/magic tricks, would continue to whine over and over and over throughout the anime that she was wrong and shit was fake. Repeat that x10 with every episode. It was just an irritating thing to sit through. And I cant blame you at all for thinking that. If the studio had done a better job in adapting Umineko, Battler wouldnt seem to be as retarded as Naruto. Sa-chan_ said: I never played the VN so I can't tell. On the anime, it seems it's okay. Can someone explain this to me how this series really that bad for you? I've seen a lot of people hates this series. ._. It's okay if you ignore the fact that Battler seems to be a retard in the anime since the studio thought that it would be clever to NOT explain why he denied Beatrice even though she is in front of him.The bad fanservice that had no purpose at all(all females except 3 had F-cup) and the 2nd season that never came.And I hope it never comes unless a GOOD studio remakes the first season and make the 2nd later. At least I can say that I am grateful to the anime for introducing me to the world of Umineko and a making me read the VN. |
ssjokgSep 28, 2012 12:16 AM
| It is a good show if you treat it as a comedy with horror/mystery elements, rather than a straight horror. Prepare to laugh at things like: * The hammy overacting of Sayaka Ohara as Beatrice, in a rare role that's not a "gentle big sister" character. * "Tako-Maria." * The Ace Attorney-esque philosophical tug-of-wars between Battler and Beatrice. * The overdramatic Engrish in the ED. * Goat Battle Buttlers. * Battle Bunny Girls with awesome/ridiculous weaponry. * General overacting and overblown facial expressions by much of the cast. * gg's light trolling and occasional commercials -- it's less than other gg releases like Madoka and Star Driver, but I found myself actively hoping for commercials and joke lines in later episodes of Umineko. Commericals are only in the TV versions, obviously. If the option is available to you, I recommend consuming alcoholic drinks before and during any Umineko viewing -- it makes the experience so much better. |
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Zalis said: * The hammy overacting of Sayaka Ohara as Beatrice, in a rare role that's not a "gentle big sister" character. * The Ace Attorney-esque philosophical tug-of-wars between Battler and Beatrice. * The overdramatic Engrish in the ED. These were some of the good parts of the anime. * General overacting and overblown facial expressions by much of the cast. What?In the anime it was more like "everyone is dying !!!!!let's make a cup of tea".That is not overacting in a horror story.Then again you said that it would be best to look at it as a comedy..... |
| I think most of the problem with this anime is that interpreting the story is really, really difficult without knowing about Knox's Decalogue (in particular, how this means that most of what you've seen didn't really happen, but is relevant anyway), which isn't introduced until Chiru. Rewatching the Umineko anime after having finished the VNs and ascertained the solution, the hints are indeed all still present in the anime. Could it have been better? Certainly. Was it nearly as bad as some people seem to suggest? Dear god no. Ideal way to finish it would be to have ufotable or someone re-start from EP4, perhaps doing EP4 as an introductory OVA, then doing 5-8 as a proper series (and 2-cour). Not that we're likely to ever see an anime of Umineko Chiru. PS: The voice acting cast was the best part of the anime, especially Ohara Sayaka's deliciously hammy (but at times tender and delicate) Beatrice. |
Shoujo_QOct 10, 2012 4:37 PM
| Chigau Chigau~ Umineko isn't a bad anime, maybe you found it boring while watching. Well, me too I found it boring on the 1st and other episodes. But some of them expects like Higurashi so they rate it so bad. For me It deserves to get a high score. and I think VN was better. I have them but I didn't played them before (idonthavetime) |
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| Yes, the anime isn't as good as the visual novel. The visual novel has a really poor ending though if you are expecting any answers. |
McN said: Yes, the anime isn't as good as the visual novel. The visual novel has a really poor ending though if you are expecting any answers. You mean if you're expecting that you'll be spoonfed the answers, right? |
edl01 said: Yes, it was very bad, it destroyed the source material in every way it possibly could have, ruined the character, rushed the development, used the wrong soundtracks on some scenes to completely ruin the mood(in the fight between Eva Beatrice and Beato in the 3rd game originally it was a really sad depressing song playing called thanks for being born which the anime for some reason changed to some random action music) and worst of all they removed red truths which are the most important thing in the entire Umineko universe. The first 4 episodes of Umineko are likely the best in the series and DEEN completely butchered and destroyed them for what they were Oh and in response to the first commenter: First 6 episodes of Umineko are amazing. The 7th episode was really just there because people were crying to Ryukshi for the answer and so Ryukshi made the 7th game with an explanation to how everything happened. The 8th episode was really just there to give closure to the story, even if it was complete BS closure it seems most people are willing to accept lies as long as they get their happy ending. Needless to say the 7th and 8th episodes are the worst but I honestly think most people just don't understand why they are there and expect another nail-biting murder mystery from them. I think Bernkastel best summed up the last two episodes when she said they were there to The other group of people who seem to hate the last two episodes are ones who expected to be spoonfed the answers of every single mystery as Umineko does not do that, it leaves you to figure it out on your own. And to the people who thought they would be spoonfed the answers: You clearly were reading the wrong series since Ryukshi made it clear he wasn't planning on straight up telling us the answers and even without that episode 7 made the official explanation easy as all hell to understand. What I like about the ending is that fans are still making up theories.Well except the ones that dont accept the(major spoiler) |
| It wasn't that bad. I actually enjoyed the series and the references that it made to my all time favorite anime, Higurashi. Hater gonna hate though so. The ending would have ruined it for a lot of people. |
| "Canaan. You're a victim whose past was taken away by war. And she's a defeated person who lost her past in a power struggle. Soldiers who are born within destruction take hatred as their weapon. Even though you and her became soldiers for the same reason, you both live differently. Listen Canaan, you cannot counter hatred with hatred... ever." -Siam, Canaan |
| Why is Umineko so bad in your opinion I loved it and am willing to discuss. Your answer can not be... "Umineko was crap."... on its own. Just remember that. If you do that you have no say and your arguement is invalid. Take the time to explain and you can even be rude in your response. I didn't write the series so I won't be offended. |
| "Canaan. You're a victim whose past was taken away by war. And she's a defeated person who lost her past in a power struggle. Soldiers who are born within destruction take hatred as their weapon. Even though you and her became soldiers for the same reason, you both live differently. Listen Canaan, you cannot counter hatred with hatred... ever." -Siam, Canaan |
| "Umineko was crap."... on its own. |
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| Poor adaptation of the visual novel is what the majority will say. |
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| it would help if i knew what umineko was |
Tennouji_ said: Funny thing is the OP posted in that thread that you made about the same topic. And now decided to make his or her own.http://myanimelist.net/forum/?animeid=4896 |
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IntroverTurtle said: Tennouji_ said: Funny thing is the OP posted in that thread that you made about the same topic. And now decided to make his or her own.http://myanimelist.net/forum/?animeid=4896 Yep I did. I wanted to know the views of other people. And set up the rule that you can't just say something is bad and expect others just understand what they are thinking. |
| "Canaan. You're a victim whose past was taken away by war. And she's a defeated person who lost her past in a power struggle. Soldiers who are born within destruction take hatred as their weapon. Even though you and her became soldiers for the same reason, you both live differently. Listen Canaan, you cannot counter hatred with hatred... ever." -Siam, Canaan |
| Topic Merged All of the is umineko so bad anime goes together. |
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| I have not read the visual novel, none what so ever, so my premise of my critique is a anime viewer Umineko is not a good anime, and it was rather awful but get my point why it is. I like the anime but i am rather subjective to liking to actually give it a good rating. The story-line is very interesting though since is an adaptation from the Visual Novel, I'll give the visual novel the credit for that. Which leads me to my point, the VN which is already made, there shouldn't no excuse the way this anime of executed. The anime was going good for me throughout the first arc of the story, only after all killings has happened and Beatrice appears with Battler challenging is when the anime goes south. It seems like the director of the anime wanted to created some sort of mystery atmosphere but failed to create such ambiance to the second part of the series. It only created confusion and too many loose ends that tie all the anime scenes together. What I mean by that is that is that the scenes would move from one place without no prior reference and no explanation on why they are showing that scene in anime at that time. I was more or less trying to figure every scene that was given to me. Sadly it did not make sense, only then in the later part of the anime series it sort of made sense again but sadly that was near the ending of the anime which shouldn't happen in any anime. Now I there's a couple of scenes, I liked like when Battler and Beatrice, were battling out with how the can magic not be real with the puzzle how can a killer be in all places and kill these x amount of people in each room. Now not everything in Umineko is was awful, the art was great seeing that Studio DEEN signature character was in play her, along with such detailed backgrounds throughout the scenes of the anime. Beatrice and Ange character work are favorite from them all. The music used in the anime wasn't over the top and provide the right atmosphere per scene it was used for. Since my particular like is the original VN instrumental work called "Hope"(I know this because I played the song in Osu!). Now everything I pointed out, the anime had thing going for itself, such as character animation and music. Though sadly, it did not make up with all the plot holes and random change of scenes which the main essences of any anime. To me this is why Umineko is not a good anime. I'd like to point, that I didn't discuss character development, even though it will give a stronger point to my response, since the story and direction is a mess. These points should suffice for this question. |
Kanapesh said: One of the best VN. One of the worst adaptation. Ever. This! |
| ^ I saw the anime before reading the VN.The anime had its good and bad moments but they were mostly bad.Beatrice,Eva/Eva-Beatrice and Battler cannot save the show alone. I dont understand that while you yourself point out all of its problems, you say that it isnt all that bad. Especially that last part "because they expected a cerebral mystery and got a story that is more easily understood by the heart instead? ". THAT is the point and when you read the VN you will get what I mean.Just like the FSn adaptation by the same studio, only the events were adapted and not the story and characters themselves. Sure it made me interested in the VN,it made me to care enough about all of them(well except Gohda), their backgrounds and motives.But that doesnt make it good. |
| Except that seeing that it had potential and actually being that good is different. The anime made to actually want to know what the real characters and setting is about.That doesnt mean that I liked the majority of the characters or that I liked them enough to call it good. BTW who do you think Beatrice really is? |
| Yeah Umineko isnt awful, that is true it is just average(5) at least to me and for me that means "The story is interesting but there are huge problems with the pacing or voice acting/music/animation.Saved by few comedy scenes.Usually a bad adaption of a manga or visual novel that sparks my interest in the original."(more details about my ratings in my profile) The biggest problem it had is that it is presented as a mystery yet it fails to provide the viewer with an understanding of the world.Literally the show is mystery vs fantasy.But the anime makes Battler look even more retarded than he is.His reason for denying the "obvious" magic is nowhere. (as for the final showdown,Battler was that bad even in the novel, if Beatrice hadnt already given up he would end up like in EP2 again) http://i.imgur.com/ULwfyGl.jpg So when the mystery seems to be nowhere and the conclusion is also nowhere it i shard to say that it is good. |
| Im about to finish 4arc of Umineko VN and I must admit, ye anime is much inferior to VN due to lacking plot, but still... I think Studio Deen did their best to close it in 26 episodes and it isn't matter of studio it's rather matter of length, question is, if it would be profitable, if it would be closed in 50 episodes. I havent anything against their art, I always liked their style. Amazing OP and ED, but OST could be a bit better Plot butchered, but still great universe. Now check at other anime and Umineko, by comparing process it still looks like Umineko VN>Umineko anime>anime overall. CHIRU IN COMING!! |
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Krunchy said: Im about to finish 4arc of Umineko VN and I must admit, ye anime is much inferior to VN due to lacking plot, but still... I think Studio Deen did their best to close it in 26 episodes and it isn't matter of studio it's rather matter of length, question is, if it would be profitable, if it would be closed in 50 episodes. If it wasnt butchered it would definitely be more profitable than it was. |
Yause said: Well these is what can make an adaptation fail.The problem with Umineko is mediocrity on all levels - low budget, terrible quality control over art/animation, dull shading, awkward timing, lack of attention in setting the mood, poor balance of exposition and visual engagement (this particular point is a real killer because Umineko is a snoozer for many viewers)......I'd suspect that many prospective customers dismissed the whole show within an episode or two because there's little to keep them coming back. |
| Here's my views: The anime is where it started for me. I'm a Higurashi fan and found it because of that. I liked it. (Thought Higurashi was better at the time.) Then I discovered the Visual Novels and... WOW! The anime doesn't do it justice!! Umineko is my favorite Visual Novel of all time!!! The anime felt like absolute crap after I finished all 8 episodes of the VN!!!! Say what you will about the anime, but don't say anything bad about this work of art!!!!! *pant* *pant* *cough* Excuse me. Anyway, I don't think it was THAT bad but I can see the logic in everyone's arguments. |
| Half bad for my part, I loved the first cases, but when the magic stuff comes with the Touhou Duel of Yugioh, that became a little overdo it. But the VN transcribed that feeling absolutely well. I love how the personality of Beatrice is strong in the anime, that was well adapted, but when Ange sppears, I don't know why I lost it. I've watch the anime before the VN and enjoy it a little. |
newlifeplayer said: a million times better.^My english sucks. ^ Not really good at explain things ^Visual novel is more better than manga/anime? |
Doowarp said: I am planning to read the manga, I just wait for full translations.ssjokg said: a million times better. Actually, I'd say that the manga's a pretty good adaptation of the VN. For the most part, I'd still recommend the VN, for the music, and the voice patch, but I actually think that the manga improves upon EP5 and EP8. Even if you've already read the novels, I'd actually still recommend checking out the manga, because the art is fantastic, and there's a metric ton of new visual clues, Not only that, but the manga's version of Episode 8 is VERY VERY VERY different than the VN's, and I like the way it And due to the thread my reply was about the anime.Should have explained. |
| I would buy the manga, if it would be a bit cheaper. |
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DigitalCommander said: Here's my views: The anime is where it started for me. I'm a Higurashi fan and found it because of that. I liked it. (Thought Higurashi was better at the time.) Then I discovered the Visual Novels and... WOW! The anime doesn't do it justice!! Umineko is my favorite Visual Novel of all time!!! The anime felt like absolute crap after I finished all 8 episodes of the VN!!!! Say what you will about the anime, but don't say anything bad about this work of art!!!!! *pant* *pant* *cough* Excuse me. Anyway, I don't think it was THAT bad but I can see the logic in everyone's arguments. In the same boat with this guy here. Umineko no Naku Koro ni is a masterpiece. For me the problem with the anime besides the story etc is that I felt nothing watching it.. the VN is just you can't put the feelings into words. |
| You know, it's incredible, I was on the hunt for the second series (which of course, doesn't exist) to get some answers because unfortunately I don't have the wits about me to make some of the incredible connections people have made. So, although enjoying the show, following it just enough with my own little assumptions to keep the plot moving in my head, I was hardly blown away and believed it (because I couldn't confirm it in my head) to be kind of made up on the spot and not actually make sense. However, after reading the first page of replies on this forum I've had my eyes totally opened to what I now respect as a really impressively written head fuck anime. I can really really see why people didn't like it though, because the ties are so hard to make and subtly hinted you can finish an episode and question it as well as the worthiness of the next, if you think you're just going to be left hung by the noose of mystery again with no honest answer to be uncovered, why plough on? Plus, lets be honest, Battler was a really shallow character, he did come across as an idiot, a lot. Call me simple, but I didn't like that he was an upfront badass looking cool and a losing emotional wuss that collapsed almost every other turn. Is he a worthy protagonist that's just up against a mighty foe, or is he a shallow loser putting up a front with no hope of winning!? In my mind, this focus jumped too much, the difference is subtle, but since from what I saw he was the key MC in this, and this subtle difference in his portrayal not being outlined put down my viewing pleasure a little. But you know, worth a watch I think, I'm not really into horror anime but I felt as a sense of longing from it, I just wasn't totally satisfied. Such a shame, from what the people who read the VN have said, what would have been the next series really ties up loose ends and gives the plot some grounding. I would definitely watch it if it is released some day! I'd even watch a remake! |
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