Persona 4
| Ever since Natao become established as part of the team, the anime seem to go out of its way to make out that Kanji has a huge crush on Natao, making it so damn obvious. It's almost as if after Kanji's arc, they are trying to write out the ambiguity of his sexuality and make it out that 'there's no chance he's gay'. It's a huge direct contrast to the video game, where there are little subtle hints of Kanji having some form of crush on Natao, there is still that lingering feeling that he could or could not be gay. But in the anime, they are trying to pull out everything to disprove that and it absolutely annoys me. And yet what baffles me is that in the episode discussion, no one seems bothered about it. |
Ammish said: I'm sorry to break it to you but the game also went on a limb to establish the Kanji/Naoto connection. The only reason it wasn't as overt as in the anime is because the game had to leave Naoto open for the MC to romance her. In the anime however they seem to just want to focus MC's attention on the Rise/Yukiko/Chie Triumvirate so the Naoto/Kanji relationship is fair game. Ever since Natao become established as part of the team, the anime seem to go out of its way to make out that Kanji has a huge crush on Natao, making it so damn obvious. It's almost as if after Kanji's arc, they are trying to write out the ambiguity of his sexuality and make it out that 'there's no chance he's gay'. It's a huge direct contrast to the video game, where there are little subtle hints of Kanji having some form of crush on Natao, there is still that lingering feeling that he could or could not be gay. But in the anime, they are trying to pull out everything to disprove that and it absolutely annoys me. And yet what baffles me is that in the episode discussion, no one seems bothered about it. Also, How many time must I repeat that Shadows are merely repressed sides of the self. When Kanji was captured he was having a crisis of identity, especially because he felt something for Naoto who he thought was a guy (mostly because Naoto showed some interest in him and he was fishing for any attention). Only things that are 100% confirmed about him is that he likes sewing and such things because his mother taught him since he was little and and he likes cute things. The game goes out of it's way to stress that and only used the "gay" thing as slight comic relief in some situations. Why some people want Kanji to be gay is beyond me, especially when all the non-Shadow World evidence point to Kanji being straight and the only relationship that's ever hinted for him is his hinted crush on Naoto. |
Leon-GunFeb 24, 2012 5:08 PM
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Leon-Gun said: I'm sorry to break it to you but the game also went on a limb to establish the Kanji/Naoto connection. Which I mentioned in my post. But it wasn't in your face as much as the anime is portraying it now. The only reason it wasn't as overt as in the anime is because the game had to leave Naoto open for the MC to romance her. In the anime however they seem to just want to focus MC's attention on the Rise/Yukiko/Chie Triumvirate so the Naoto/Kanji relationship is fair game. That is a fair point, but it really clashes with Kanji's character. Also, How many time must I repeat that Shadows are merely repressed sides of the self. When Kanji was captured he was having a crisis of identity, especially because he felt something for Naoto who he thought was a guy (mostly because Naoto showed some interest in him and he was fishing for any attention). I agree with you that Kanji wants to be accepted because as you mention later on, he wants to be accepted for having hobbies that are seen as 'feminine'. Why some people want Kanji to be gay is beyond me, especially when all the non-Shadow World evidence point to Kanji being straight and the only relationship that's ever hinted for him is his hinted crush on Naoto. I never ever stated I wanted him to be 'gay'. I stated I like the ambiguity that surrounds his sexuality because there were still hints that he is gay (the Shadow World, which is evidence and you cannot refute that) and his exaggeration towards the comments by Yosuke on his sexuality (If he wasn't, then it would not be a big deal). What I like about Kanji is that whilst there's both evidence to suggest he is straight or gay, that isn't the focus of his character. It's about being accepted for his hobbies, upbringing of cute things and such. What I don't like is that they trying to force down the NataoxKanji in every moment in the anime to try and exemplifies that 'he's straight'. It's a slap in the face to the game where it's up to your interpretation of his sexuality. |
| thing with Kanji is that he likes Naoto, no matter what gender~ It just happens that Naoto is a godly reverse trap. |
jeroz said: thing with Kanji is that he likes Naoto, no matter what gender~ It just happens that Naoto is a godly reverse trap. ^This. Since it's a misunderstanding after all, can't you let it slide? I don't think it matters when we know the truth. |
| Well Leon-gun pretty much said everything I could possibly say on the subject. I really have no problem with this. The anime is focused on character development after all. This means they're probably going to over-emphasize some stuff that was minor in the game (because the game after all, takes a huge chunk from its gameplay). I don't think it really conflicts with Kanji's character. In the game, I always thought he liked Naoto, probably more than I (the protagonist) did. I also liked Kanji's Shadow battle more than the game offered, since he was the one that pulled the final punch. Defeating your own Shadow? That's ridiculous. |
| No one seems bothered by it because, it's probably due to people liking the shipping. Although it's incredibly obvious about his crush on Naoto, it's not confirmed because they aren't exactly together. He just likes Naoto for Naoto. You know, there's also a chance that he can be Bi-Sexual which is also a choice you can decide in your mind while playing the game - Not just gay or straight. I'm not bothered by it because his "likings" towards females or males is not what Kanji is about anyways. As said, the gay is symbolism of "being accepted" - whether you like him or not, he's gonna be Kanji - which is the man who likes to sew, do other creative stuff that does not match his image, loves his mother dearly, etc. About that shadow world evidence... |
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| MC X Kanji OTP |
notsureifsrs said: Exactly. People need to understand this. There's no place in Kanji's heart for none other than MC.MC X Kanji OTP |
| The TV series may be exposing Kanji's affection for Naoto more because it's funny, and that's what this series has been trying to be since forever. |
| Did you even play the game? His crush was incredibly obvious, and he was never actually "gay", he was just unsure of his true self due to his hobbies and attraction towards naoto, who he presumed was male at the time. If you played to the end, there is also the whole explanation of what the shadow world actually is yada yada. The only things that made it seem like he may be gay after his arc were the constant gay jokes/teasing present in both the animu and game. |
ClousMar 1, 2012 9:40 PM
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Leon-Gun said: Ammish said: I'm sorry to break it to you but the game also went on a limb to establish the Kanji/Naoto connection. The only reason it wasn't as overt as in the anime is because the game had to leave Naoto open for the MC to romance her. In the anime however they seem to just want to focus MC's attention on the Rise/Yukiko/Chie Triumvirate so the Naoto/Kanji relationship is fair game. Ever since Natao become established as part of the team, the anime seem to go out of its way to make out that Kanji has a huge crush on Natao, making it so damn obvious. It's almost as if after Kanji's arc, they are trying to write out the ambiguity of his sexuality and make it out that 'there's no chance he's gay'. It's a huge direct contrast to the video game, where there are little subtle hints of Kanji having some form of crush on Natao, there is still that lingering feeling that he could or could not be gay. But in the anime, they are trying to pull out everything to disprove that and it absolutely annoys me. And yet what baffles me is that in the episode discussion, no one seems bothered about it. Also, How many time must I repeat that Shadows are merely repressed sides of the self. When Kanji was captured he was having a crisis of identity, especially because he felt something for Naoto who he thought was a guy (mostly because Naoto showed some interest in him and he was fishing for any attention). Only things that are 100% confirmed about him is that he likes sewing and such things because his mother taught him since he was little and and he likes cute things. The game goes out of it's way to stress that and only used the "gay" thing as slight comic relief in some situations. Why some people want Kanji to be gay is beyond me, especially when all the non-Shadow World evidence point to Kanji being straight and the only relationship that's ever hinted for him is his hinted crush on Naoto. But in my save I am lovers with Chie Yukiko Rise Ai Yumi (Drama) and Naoto =D Also not sure why people don't get it either, Kanji is pretty straight, he's alter ego is just the part he hates when people talk bad about how he likes to sew and like cute things and stuff. |
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