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Jun 23, 2008 11:59 PM
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THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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WTF why does hitler make an appearance!?!?

HAHAH... well considering Ergo Proxy, there must be a deep meaning for having a hitler looking guy that acted that way toward Mayer.

Wow this some deep shit right here....

That is one twist i didn't expect to happen until the very last second.

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Sep 9, 2008 9:21 PM
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I don't understand!!
Oct 22, 2008 10:08 PM
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I have no idea what's going on.
Nov 9, 2008 11:33 AM
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I need some answers too...
Nov 11, 2008 12:48 AM
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Awesome episode. Loved every minute of it. Sad that it's getting close to the end!
Dec 16, 2008 9:56 AM
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Wow, I couldn't tell if that was a dream or what till halfway through. They jumped back to Ramdou really quickly, amid chaos.
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That was terribly confusing.

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Jan 28, 2009 3:25 AM
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It took me a time to know what's going on.
Jun 1, 2009 5:01 PM
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sooo ... Monad is a female ? if so - she was ugly :<
Jun 3, 2009 11:49 AM

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so proxy one is the union of vincent and ergo proxy? well thats confusing and totally unexpected.

anciah said:
sooo ... Monad is a female ? if so - she was ugly :<

thats a mask she's wearing. just like ergo proxy's mask, and senekis'.
Jun 22, 2009 9:20 AM
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like entire season : mixed and troublesome to understand what's happening
Oct 7, 2009 7:38 AM

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Hitler in my anime~
Nov 16, 2009 6:30 AM

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Lol Hitler o_O
Nov 22, 2009 8:46 AM

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Wow! Pino and Ergo Proxy are in danger.

Oh, and Iggy's voice has changed (in Japanese).
Jan 27, 2010 2:57 PM
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Iggy??? I think that its other entourage of the same model than Iggy. cause Iggy was destructed in ep 13...

LOL, my head is spinning after watch eps 18 - 21 ...
Feb 17, 2010 5:03 PM

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Damn, it was hard episode. Need answers, this episode was annoying.
Apr 4, 2010 9:55 AM
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Holy crap, that ending... I did NOT expect that on the third-to-last episode.
May 7, 2010 3:27 AM

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Haha Hitler guy made me laugh a lot lol.
That episode is so complicated. I didnt understand a single shit. have no idea whats goin on but still nice ep.
May 12, 2010 10:09 AM

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While the episode was confusing at first it was clear that some time had passed since the end of the last episode with both Vincent and Re-l entering Romdeau. Why Vincent seems to be permanently Ergo Proxy is unclear but I think that both the original and 'new' Re-l are related to Monad somehow since Ergo Proxy seems to 'love' Monad and Vincent is in love with Re-l. The end of the episode seems to indicate that Ergo Proxy created Romdeau and its inhabitants somehow but Re-l's grandfather didn't know his Raison d'etre. It also seems Raul wants to achieve his goal of destroying everything by killing the 'Creator' - Ergo Proxy.
May 23, 2010 2:48 PM

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this episode was a dream from pino...
but i think, there is much reallity in it, isn't it?

hmmm...
the end is near comming~
i Love the very deep atmosphare in this Special Anime ^.^
can someone say me >one< Anime like Ergo Proxy?

i drink my red wine to this Anime ;o
Aug 25, 2010 2:42 PM

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Ranivus said:
THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE.
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WTF why does hitler make an appearance!?!?

HAHAH... well considering Ergo Proxy, there must be a deep meaning for having a hitler looking guy that acted that way toward Mayer.

Wow this some deep shit right here....

That is one twist i didn't expect to happen until the very last second.


^ +1
Nov 6, 2010 2:47 PM

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What an action packed episode! Vincent actually the creator.
Nov 13, 2010 2:05 AM
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............Wtf this episode.
Dec 7, 2010 2:40 AM

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WHAT IN THE FUCKING WORLD??????!
Dec 27, 2010 3:57 AM

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Now we're getting somewhere!

Also, is it just me or is there a bunch of implied boy-love between the Prince and Raul?

It must just be me.......
Feb 7, 2011 2:55 AM

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Reading the earlier posts, it seems everybody watching this episode was dropped in the middle of everything without a hint of anything beforehand! LOL Gotta love this series...
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Okay? ^^ Strange as always. Wonder what will happen now.
May 20, 2011 3:23 PM
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That new young Re-l lookes hot :p Anyway this is getting very interesting :) To bad it is almost the end of the series :(
Dec 30, 2011 10:58 PM

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Now we're getting somewhere!

Also, is it just me or is there a bunch of implied boy-love between the Prince and Raul?

It must just be me.......


You mean Daedalus? If yes, I think so.
Dec 30, 2011 11:00 PM

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It wasn't that confusing to me, although I wonder how Romdo got in that state. I think we knew that Re-L was going to use that bullet on Vincent at some point. Raul Creed went crazy. I didn't know who Re-L's grandfather was until this episode. That's some strange stuff going on there. :)
Mar 4, 2012 6:03 PM
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HMMM


I REALLY HOPE MONET IS NOT REAL AND RAUL WINS
Mar 30, 2012 8:13 PM

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Geez...There was just some time shift, yeah the plot shift fowards but you can deduce it pretty easily. Please don't watch ergo proxy if you're young..
The group return to remdaou, pino is told to be a good girl and wait inside the rabbit. Upon vincent and rel entering, vincent changed to proxy and went missing. Probably related, autoraves all around started to be infected(probably due to ergo proxy). Rel wanders around trying to find vincent, only to keep seeing glimpses of his other self-proxy. The whole system was turned upside down, citizens who relies on autoraves now become helpless as oppose to immigrants from mosque in red shirt, whose fighting the infected autoraves in hopes of getting citizenship for their dilgence...yet they're unaware the collapse of the system.
Proxy 1 is revealed to somehown be the creator of romdaue, the regent, the autraves, the procreating machines - yet regent profess that proxy have left them unguided. Raul creed already gone mad and just want to see the world burn - this is why earlier than this episode, he suggested the ADSW whatever project where the human-making system stop relying on proxies dna(or something), caused by his rage against 'god'/proxies to what happend to his family. The project failed, leading to citizen rate declining rapidly. At this point, the whole dome already fallen into chaos.
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Oct 23, 2012 11:46 AM

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Very well said.
I admit the last scenes were pretty confusing and the one with other Re-L too.

And I lol'd when I saw the Hitler guy. XD

Great ep btw.
Oct 27, 2012 1:19 AM

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So raul killed the creator??? This Anime is so damn confusing
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Feb 3, 2013 4:39 AM

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2 episodes left and I got lost in the plot. So damn confusing.

Feb 24, 2013 11:22 PM

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You people are idiots, this isn't meta physics.
Mar 10, 2013 3:58 PM
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Wow, I couldn't tell if that was a dream or what till halfway through. They jumped back to Ramdou really quickly, amid chaos.


Same here. I thought, maybe this is another one of those dreams? But...no. At this point, it doesn't seem like Romdo is going to survive. Raul has shot at Ergo Proxy, the creator of the city, and basically the last hope for their city to survive. Hm, I was wondering, what if Ergo Proxy just cut off his arm that's infected with the shot? Maybe he can still stay alive that way?
May 23, 2013 10:22 PM

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Ohh, that's horrible. Didn't expect everything to go down so poorly.
I couldn't help but think this would have been better if they kept it in chronological order without skipping any time.
That said, it's still 5/5
Jul 7, 2013 2:45 PM
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After the strangeness of seeing old Adolf himself make a cameo, the episode actually pretty much moved a lot into place. The dependence on Auto-reivs (which are now infected by the Cogito virus) have made society in Romdo collapse. Ergo Proxy, who is the being responsible for creating Romdo, is blamed by the Regent and co. for abandoning them and Raul just wants to kill Proxy and break free of his construct. We've seen how in different cities, proxies have established societies along their own strange lines.

The only missing pieces are what happened to Proxy in the inmediate past. Why did he leave Romdo and how did he lose his memory? And how does Monad play into all of this?

I'm assuming the other Re-L is a clone of the same genetic stock as Real. She maybe is a replacement for when Re-L went AWOL or when the Regent ordered her killed.
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The dependence on Auto-reivs (which are now infected by the Cogito virus) have made society in Romdo collapse. Ergo Proxy, who is the being responsible for creating Romdo, is blamed by the Regent and co. for abandoning them and Raul just wants to kill Proxy and break free of his construct. We've seen how in different cities, proxies have established societies along their own strange lines.


Exactly.
Reacting to previous comments, i dont think Raul went insane or wants to destroy everything. He wants to break the dependency no matter what cost.

Here are my attempts to clear out the story:
- Vincent (Ergo Proxy) is Romdo's creator (Regent calls him as such)
- Womb System wasnt working because Creator was not around.
- Raul wanted to change humans so they wouldnt need proxy. = ADW project.
- ADW project was failure. 90% mortality rate. (Im guessing the insane bureaucrat was showing unhealthy symptoms of this)
- Daedalus knew it would be failure, still went ahead wit the project (in my opinion he didnt give it much of an effort)
- Raul fired the Rupture because he couldnt stand that 'they were defeated' (says Daedalus, kill me if you want im still clueless)
- Raul didnt try to kill Re-L, it was Regent (in earlier episodes, Raul already revealed that fact but not directy, now Daedalus tells Re-L)
- the white Re-L appears to like(love) Vincento, my guess is she is Monado who Daedalus transferred from her old body (or cloned or whatever).

Vincent/Ergo/Creator came back to Romdo 3 times:
- as an immigrant from Mosk
- once when he stole Monado from Mosk
- now from the journey

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Daedalus:
- its also clear Daedalus knew the whole story about Monado. Already in ep11 he says that he doesnt need Re-L to be with him, all he needs is her existence. Back then it was ambiguous, but he was also conducting some kind of an experiment. If you remember he needed power for something so he was taking it from Romdo in short intervals that he times to his ID in amount of seconds to post a message to Raul. What he needed was Rauls authority to get him reinstated and cover his back so he can focus on what he needs to do.
He also said that nobody except for him (and Re-L) knew there were two proxies. Mentioned even before as Daedalus and Re-L's shared secret. One was Ergo while the second one was Monado who he was hiding. He planned to clone her the whole time.

That brings me to the idea, that he never liked/loved Re-L to begin with. He had feelings (or his analogy of feelings) for Monado and Re-L we know was already a clone of her. The connection between Monad and Re-L is too clear as it has been pointed out. Monad+Ergo, Re-L+Vincento.

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Another interesting fact:
During the scene, where Vincent is killing Re-L's grandfather, for some reason, his emotional state rapidly changes.
- he begins with a laughter full of lust like "ill finally get you"
- suddenly he shows uncertainty over his actions
- then he look saddened and dreamy, like he is suddenly contemplating about what he is doing, while showing disgust like he has no other choice
- then he shows determination over his choice (which is not clear) but he looks like it is not really his intention
and finally, he looks terribly sad like he realized he is powerless and is regretting the whole thing
- then he throws the old man away (looks like he is dead)

There is still the possibility that it wasnt Vincent but Proxy One. Who knows how many times did we confuse the two. In fact the description of Proxy One as 'crying a lot' makes me think that... it was plenty times...

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Id like to point out a little parallel between autoreivs and humans. Humans are dependent on Proxies. Without Proxies humans are clueless and lose their raison d'être. The same relationship exists between humans and autoreivs.

Ive got a feeling there is also parallel between the Cogito and Creator's pain.
Autoreiv infected by Cofigo virus gains soul and dependency and starts to seek his reason to live. It breaks his dependency on his human master.
People use autoreivs and are overly dependent on them. This dependance is dangerous and unnecessary as the Hitler guy explains in this episode. Thus widespread outbreak of Cogito wreaks havoc in society where autoreivs mean so much importance.

Comparing this to the ep19, the creator was complaining that his story doesnt turn out as he wants because the roles he assignes are played differently by characters that act on theor own. Do you see the similarity with Cogito?

The same could be said about Proxies in general. They create, give their all to their creation - in fact they give too much. Their creation acts on their own and they are saddened and no longer want to look at their failed product so they leave.
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Things are starting to get really interesting! I can't wait to see how this all turns out in the end.

It seems Raul has completely lost his mind, judging by his psychotic stare and the maniacal laugh at the end. I wonder what he's scheming.

I'm also surprised that Re-l showed so much emotion at the death of her grandfather. I had always assumed that they weren't on the best terms, but I guess in the end family is family and it's sad either way.
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umm okay... wut?!
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I thought that Re-l was the one who shot vincent(?) . . . Too be honest he looked cooler wearing that weird joker's mask.
Nov 10, 2013 11:20 PM

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Saw hitler and was all 'omg lets go post about this in the forums' an then so many other ppl have :((((((((((((9

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so proxy one is the union of vincent and ergo proxy? well thats confusing and totally unexoected


thank you so much for this insight <3
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I would wanna bathe in a planet of shampoo

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Hitler got another appearance lol, so did weird haircut gut
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Whoa! that was unexpected!
Re-l's grandfather killed?
Vincent, shot?
Seems like the finale has started a bit early, here... How are they going to fill another two episodes?! o_O
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Whoa! that was unexpected!
Seems like the finale has started a bit early, here... How are they going to fill another two episodes?! o_O
We will see.

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I don't understand why Re-l is even concerned about her grandfather there at the end, considering he never did anything for her, and on top of that ordered an attack on her
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Yet another confusing episode. 2 episodes left, I wonder what will happen.
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