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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Great episode. Mayer, Re-l is hot. So you have finally accepted that you are Ergo Proxy, Vincent Law |
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| What a...lame episode really. Spent an entire episode accepting the fact he is Ergo Proxy was a waste of time >_> |
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| okay i'm lost now did they just spend the whole episode just for him to accept that he's a ergo proxy |
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| Really good episode. And in my opinion, it was not only spent on him accepting that he's the Ergo proxy. It introduces what Ergo proxy stands for and links back to it's past -though not clearly, probably will see more about how he killed people in Mosque- and for the first time made me feel Vincent's character. Before this episode his character had no depth at all. |
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| I enjoyed this more than I should have. I'm really liking Vincent Law now. |
| so the bow and life at first completely unrelated but both lead to death. heh quite an interesting philosophy there. vince has finally accepted himself. and re-l has finally caught up to him. looking forward to the next ep. |
| Very esoteric episode. I'm not sure how much of the episode was real and fake. Maybe it doesn't even matter. The two voices, the Ergo Proxy and the bookstore owner, they argued with each other but maybe they're both from within Vince's head. If the bookstore owner isn't from his head, I'd like to know where the Hell he came from. |
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| Wha...... That was weird, Anno would be proud |
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| This whole episode reminded me of the final two episodes of Neon Genesis Evangelion. Where, in EVA Shinji was breaking down the barriers between his mind and the minds of the others, here Vincent was coming to terms with all his memories which point to him being Ergo Proxy. Especially the moment where he attacked Re-l. |
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| This episode alone makes this series memorable for me. It really opened the floodgates, so to speak. Determinism and free will, the nature of existence and reality, the importance of personal identity; all were questioned in this episode, and for once, Vincent Law begins to understand and take responsibility for what he is. Totally blew me away. Can't wait to see more and where this is all leading, and what path Vincent will follow, and how he will deal with his situation. |
| Shit's getting trippier by the episode. |
| 5 out of 5: Loved it! (your vote) This episode was just WEIRD!!! But, I loved every minute of it! Vincent Law and his green eyes are incredibly HOT!! And Ergo Proxy is sexy too!! |
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| I knew the whole episode he'd be accepting he was a Proxy but everything else was a mind rape to me. Who was that old man? Why was Vincents other transformation trying to tell him???? Still i like the mystery aspect of this show. |
| Ohh that was some philosophy lecture just so he can accept himself... thank God for the endnotes! |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
mitamaking said: Wha...... That was weird, Anno would be proud Exactly! My favorite episode of the series thus far, absofuckinggreat! |
| The fuck? I never asked for Evangelion all over again ffs. |
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| I HATED this ep! I hate it when they have psychological fillers like this, it just puts me off completely |
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anteUp said: What a masterpiece of an episode! This anime is really picking up - looking foward to Ep12 now. This episode was very introspective, creative and creepy. And yes, Re'L was sexy in those flashbacks (when the proxy head wasn't on her) ...yeah, I said it! <3_<3 I don't know about the 'creative and creepy' thrill but honestly what did we learn new that we didn't already know here? It was already established that he was the Ergo Proxy from the last ep (and Rei is probably a Proxy too from what Dedalaus hinted). Well I'm happy you liked it, but unfortunately (for me) it didn't have the same effect on me I have to say :-( |
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| Total Mindfuck. |
| This has been the best episode this far, without any doubt. |
| Great episode finally a decent interesting episode :D |
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| Great thought-provoking episode.. Although I'm lost at some points.. I love how this series tackles philosophy. :D |
meneope said: I HATED this ep! I hate it when they have psychological fillers like this, it just puts me off completely "psychological fillers" wut? Mabey it's just too sophisticated and deep for you... |
PoyoIsAvatar said: meneope said: I HATED this ep! I hate it when they have psychological fillers like this, it just puts me off completely "psychological fillers" wut? Mabey it's just too sophisticated and deep for you... Or just not a fan of psychological thrillers in general seems to be the case. Though, I did find that comment about "psychological fillers" kinda funny. |
 Just this once, I'll fulfill whatever your wish is. |
| Oh look, the little baby with ergo proxy head is kinda cute xD |
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| Weird episode, to much talking for my taste. Anyway, glad to see Re-l is finally here. |
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StormViruz said: Great thought-provoking episode.. Although I'm lost at some points.. I love how this series tackles philosophy. :D Definitely an interesting episode. My brain turned into mush half way through. The Ergo Proxy's voice in this episode made me want to punch someone because I found it obnoxious. At the end when the bookstore guy said the tea was ready since it's been three minutes, all I thought was, no it's been fucking 20 minutes. But still, I like the approach this anime took to show the internal conflict Vincent was going through. It's one of those classic themes of accepting yourself, especially the parts that you can't change. As much as Vincent hates to admit, he is Ergo Proxy and there's nothing he can do about it. It's hard to face reality, and that's why it took this whole episode for him to accept himself. |
| "This is a dream." "Of course not, Vincent Law." I really enjoyed this episode, even though Pino inhabited by Proxy was super creepy... The old dude looks really cool when he opens one eye and smiles. 'Keeper of Memories' I think he was called? Seemed to be a little at odds with Proxy. I'm guessing he's the (mental) embodiment of when Vincent sealed his memories? IMO this was allot better than Shinji's 'mind lapse' in the original Evangelion. |
| I am the only one who thinks that whenever Re-l don't get much screen time the eps are kinda boring...until now I can't get myself to like Vicent/Ergo Proxy... |
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| I think this episode has a moral / conclusion : " You will never change what's been and gone" Confused episode, though xD |
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| Usually I dont like this sort of episode, but this was good. |
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| Good episode although maybe a tad verbose for my taste. Show it, don't say it Mr. Sato. In any case, Vincent has finally accepted that he is a proxy and let's see were that leads. Unexpectedly Re-L finds him rather quickly. BTW, I don't know if anyone feels the same way, but don't you find Re-L one of the truly hottest female characters ever. Every time she's on screen I'm mesmerized (that's even with the uneven animation in some episodes). |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| Yes, very much so. Marzan said: BTW, I don't know if anyone feels the same way, but don't you find Re-L one of the truly hottest female characters ever. Every time she's on screen I'm mesmerized (that's even with the uneven animation in some episodes). |
| So he has accepted himself, i really like vince as a character. I can imagine a lot of people being confused by this episode, but there really wasn't that much to it xD It shows how all this time he was just forgetting things on purpose because he couldnt accept it and just shutting it out. Also a bit of philosophy etc. good episode though, enjoyed it and it makes me like vince more. Im guessing vince was the one who fucked up mosque, which is why he can't remember it. |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| Lol seeing Ergo Proxys head on everyone really creeped me out, especially the baby and Re-L >_< Marzan said: I agree, shes gotta be one of the hottest looking female characters Ive ever seen.BTW, I don't know if anyone feels the same way, but don't you find Re-L one of the truly hottest female characters ever. Every time she's on screen I'm mesmerized (that's even with the uneven animation in some episodes). |
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| yeah i liked it, even though it was essentially just vincent accepting who he is... PROXY! loved how they did it, could have been such a boring episode! |
| Don't really like these types of episodes . . . Anime spewing philosophical ideals that aren't properly developed or relevant is the case 99% of the time in these types of episodes, not only that but usually it turns out to be a pile of drivel since the majority of the dialogue contradicted itself and thus meant absolutely nothing . . . However looking forward to the new development, will be alot better than just a different way of doing a recap episode. |
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| They are seriously getting into some meta shit now. Its a nice refreshing break from shows that try to spell every little thing out to you |
"Urushibara Ruka. The mannerisms and voice of a woman... No... More feminine than any woman. But he's a guy. Taller than Mayuri, but so very thin... But he's a guy. Looks great in a miko outfit... But he's a guy. It's already twilight And yet, it's so hot. The cicadas are crying. But... He's a guy." |
| I hate how everytime someone comes up trying to put philosophy in today's culture the ignorant come and say "it's mind fuck, what kind of weed you smoke" seriously this series I'm pretty sure is going to get more philosophical so drop it by now if you disliked this episode. Otherwise you'll give a lame review with something like "too unnecesary complicated blabla" |
| Easily the best episode of the show so far. Vincent's reluctance to admit that he's the Ergo Proxy shows the mental torments in his mind. I really felt sorry for him. Also, I still think Re-I's the main character of the show. Vincent, though, maybe the most important character in relation to the overall plot. 5/5.. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| I'll forgive this show just this once for going into philosophical rambling since Vincent has now accepted his fate as a Proxy. Let's just hope the show can keep itself off these tangents. But somehow, I'm doubtful. |
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