Sword Art Online (light novel)
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Jul 9, 2023 2:56 AM
#1
So, I have noticed that the members kept declining whenever new season comes out in respect of previous season. Check This๐๐ 1) Sword Art Online - 2,961,271 members 2) Sword Art Online ll - 1,908,548 members (35.55% decline)๐ 3) Sword Art Online Movie: Ordinal Scale - 701,480 members (63.25% decline)๐ 4) Sword Art Online: Alicization - 996,350 members (42.04% rise)๐ 5) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld - 719,884 members (27.75% decline)๐ 6) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld 2nd Season - 576,930 members (19.86% decline)๐ 7) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Aria of a Starless Night - 232,492 members (59.70% decline)๐ 8) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Scherzo of Deep Night - 92,739 members (60.11% decline)๐ 9) Sword Art Online (Original Movie) - 25,489 members (72.52% decline)๐ So can anyone please explain "why members kept declining?" |
Ashok Kumar |
Jul 9, 2023 2:57 AM
#2
Ashok_Kumar said: why members kept declining? Those who didn't enjoyed a season obviously won't watch the next one. And there is also the dead users. It's like that for everything , nothing surprising. |
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Jul 9, 2023 3:09 AM
#3
The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. |
Jul 9, 2023 3:14 AM
#4
first season of SAO was the best, it just got worse and they kept milking it. also this happens with most anime series, first season is the highest, as viewers keep watching, theyll either get bored or just not like the series afterwards. |
Jul 9, 2023 3:16 AM
#5
well i think it is beacuse People that dont Like it Will not watch it |
Jul 9, 2023 3:23 AM
#6
BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. Exactly. There is nothing special to it. |
Jul 9, 2023 3:27 AM
#7
You also seem to be confusing lifetime members with the number of people who are watching while the show is airing. Subsequent seasons may have more people watching while airing because of an increase in popularity, but none will have more in total than an earlier season just for the fact that you have to start from the beginning, but can end at any point. Movies that are a part of a larger series that releases seasonally are usually hit even harder, especially when they're original, not canon in any way, a retelling, or any combination of those. |
Jul 9, 2023 3:30 AM
#8
gee why do you think? maybe cuz it kept getting exponentially worse and worse? or perhaps cuz more people lost interest along the way? or could it be that at this point we have so much trash isekai that people can't be bothered to watch a garbage one? |
Jul 9, 2023 3:30 AM
#9
Personally I felt like SAO should have just ended in season 1 as I lost all interest to watch it because the plot just felt dragged out and boring for anything beyond S1 |
Jul 9, 2023 3:37 AM
#11
Because it's a very mehh show. Bad plot and writing, trash characters. Of course watchers drop. |
Jul 9, 2023 3:43 AM
#12
Just look at other long-running anime, it's the same. The first seasons are always the most popular, subsequent seasons are always less popular. |
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Jul 9, 2023 3:43 AM
#13
Well why not. People are leaving this anime cause of its own faults. But still thinking of my dreams crashing when continuing thus anime. It could've been the best isekai anime we could've ever seen but sadly it didn't work out for me at least. |
Jul 9, 2023 3:53 AM
#14
Ashok_Kumar said: But the difference is huge SAO is a highly controversial series. And the near 5 years between Season 2 & 3 turned-off some peoples. It's really nothing surprising , at all. |
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Jul 9, 2023 3:58 AM
#16
Bro learn how to calc |
Jul 9, 2023 4:06 AM
#17
Ashok_Kumar said: So, I have noticed that the members kept declining whenever new season comes out in respect of previous season. Check This๐๐ 1) Sword Art Online - 2,961,271 members 2) Sword Art Online ll - 1,908,548 members (35.55% decline)๐ 3) Sword Art Online Movie: Ordinal Scale - 701,480 members (63.25% decline)๐ 4) Sword Art Online: Alicization - 996,350 members (42.04% rise)๐ 5) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld - 719,884 members (27.75% decline)๐ 6) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld 2nd Season - 576,930 members (19.86% decline)๐ 7) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Aria of a Starless Night - 232,492 members (59.70% decline)๐ 8) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Scherzo of Deep Night - 92,739 members (60.11% decline)๐ 9) Sword Art Online (Original Movie) - 25,489 members (72.52% decline)๐ So can anyone please explain "why members kept declining?" How do you not know simple math? |
Jul 9, 2023 4:28 AM
#18
Birb_addict said: first season of SAO was the best, it just got worse and they kept milking it. also this happens with most anime series, first season is the highest, as viewers keep watching, theyll either get bored or just not like the series afterwards. That's also my opinion |
Jul 9, 2023 4:37 AM
#19
the show is ass and theres too much boobs and shit mixed with bad taste. also shitty shows always try to make up for their shittyness with fanservice, but it never changes how shitty it is. also the main story was ended so now the anime became a regular gaming anime but that just ruins everything considering the main reason we watched it was because of the original story. thats the reason views went up with alicization, its because hes stuck in the game again |
Jul 9, 2023 4:45 AM
#20
Raise the age limit to use the forums, MAL, please |
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Jul 9, 2023 4:51 AM
#21
This is present in every series that spans more than one MAL entry. The longer the series is, the less people will watch. Basically, they lose interest. People also most likely add the first entry of the series on their list only so that they won’t have to individually add each of the entries. |
Jul 9, 2023 4:52 AM
#22
Jul 9, 2023 5:04 AM
#23
Aside of previous answers, MAL being not as popular as before is also one of the reasons why. |
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Jul 9, 2023 5:47 AM
#25
others have already answered but it also applies to ratings: generally sequels will have a higher rating because only people who like the show will watch later seasons, obviously it's not always true but the trend is there. |
Jul 9, 2023 6:47 AM
#26
i mean series' are always like that, it'd be weird if someone watched a season without seeing the previous one, but not weird for someone not to go back for the next one. And it's pretty common for people to not watch anime series' movies the gaps aren't that crazy, the only massive one is between 2&3 which makes sense cuz I think a lot of people watched season 1& at least some of 2 but then never kept up (or at least that's what me and my sibling both did as kids because part of S2 wasn't on Netflix and I don't think Alexazation was out - if there was a big gap that probably contributed to the big drop - and then time passed and I lost interest in the series and never went back) |
Jul 9, 2023 8:03 AM
#27
BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? |
Jul 9, 2023 8:33 AM
#28
The longer the series goes on, the less members will watch the following. |
Jul 9, 2023 8:51 AM
#29
Akshat_2007 said: BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? One Piece is not broken into an individual's season, but instead, it is one long-running simulcast season. Which makes a difference when comparing the two series. |
Jul 9, 2023 9:09 AM
#31
Ashok_Kumar said: So, I have noticed that the members kept declining whenever new season comes out in respect of previous season. Check This๐๐ 1) Sword Art Online - 2,961,271 members 2) Sword Art Online ll - 1,908,548 members (35.55% decline)๐ 3) Sword Art Online Movie: Ordinal Scale - 701,480 members (63.25% decline)๐ 4) Sword Art Online: Alicization - 996,350 members (42.04% rise)๐ 5) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld - 719,884 members (27.75% decline)๐ 6) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld 2nd Season - 576,930 members (19.86% decline)๐ 7) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Aria of a Starless Night - 232,492 members (59.70% decline)๐ 8) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Scherzo of Deep Night - 92,739 members (60.11% decline)๐ 9) Sword Art Online (Original Movie) - 25,489 members (72.52% decline)๐ So can anyone please explain "why members kept declining?" Yo my knowledge People just stop watching at the Fairy dance arc or season 2. And no one ever gave the other season a chance. The rest after season 2 are on par with the SAO arc. Ordinal Scale probably not but l Alicization and WoUW is good. And once the I presume to be the last arc Unital Ring, when it gets animated I find it being really good as well. But most people won’t be watching it bc they dropped it after season 1 or 2 |
Jul 9, 2023 9:40 AM
#32
Ashok_Kumar said: So, I have noticed that the members kept declining whenever new season comes out in respect of previous season. Check This๐๐ 1) Sword Art Online - 2,961,271 members 2) Sword Art Online ll - 1,908,548 members (35.55% decline)๐ 3) Sword Art Online Movie: Ordinal Scale - 701,480 members (63.25% decline)๐ 4) Sword Art Online: Alicization - 996,350 members (42.04% rise)๐ 5) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld - 719,884 members (27.75% decline)๐ 6) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld 2nd Season - 576,930 members (19.86% decline)๐ 7) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Aria of a Starless Night - 232,492 members (59.70% decline)๐ 8) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Scherzo of Deep Night - 92,739 members (60.11% decline)๐ 9) Sword Art Online (Original Movie) - 25,489 members (72.52% decline)๐ So can anyone please explain "why members kept declining?" check jojo the decline is similar by the time of the part 3 of part 6. |
Jul 9, 2023 10:31 AM
#33
No matter what it is, people drop off. Some people have attention spans that only go so far, others are picky as hell and a very particular detail can put them off a show for life. It’s not that deep. |
Jul 9, 2023 11:39 AM
#34
Ashok_Kumar said: So, I have noticed that the members kept declining whenever new season comes out in respect of previous season. Check This๐๐ 1) Sword Art Online - 2,961,271 members 2) Sword Art Online ll - 1,908,548 members (35.55% decline)๐ 3) Sword Art Online Movie: Ordinal Scale - 701,480 members (63.25% decline)๐ 4) Sword Art Online: Alicization - 996,350 members (42.04% rise)๐ 5) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld - 719,884 members (27.75% decline)๐ 6) Sword Art Online: Alicization - War of Underworld 2nd Season - 576,930 members (19.86% decline)๐ 7) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Aria of a Starless Night - 232,492 members (59.70% decline)๐ 8) Sword Art Online the Movie: Progressive - Scherzo of Deep Night - 92,739 members (60.11% decline)๐ 9) Sword Art Online (Original Movie) - 25,489 members (72.52% decline)๐ So can anyone please explain "why members kept declining?" If you don't feel that the 1st season was the only good part SAO ever had and the later continued series is just used the popularity of SAO to DRAG a Half Assed Lame Story then you haven't seen any Anime with Good plot development or Story telling. AGAIN!!! I'm not saying whoever seen the later seasons of SAO they are noob, no, I'm saying if you have found next seasons 'okay' then.... |
Jul 9, 2023 11:44 AM
#35
DarkLight9616 said: Akshat_2007 said: BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? One Piece is not broken into an individual's season, but instead, it is one long-running simulcast season. Which makes a difference when comparing the two series. Don't compare One Piece to an Isseki which should have ended after season 1. The plot, Story, Characters, Foreshadowing, Adventure, World Building what ever you name One Piece does it better. Only Big names like AOT, Naruto or Hunter x Hunter can be considered to be compared with OP. |
Jul 9, 2023 12:10 PM
#36
I stopped watching because it just got boring to me. First season was awesome though. |
Jul 9, 2023 12:43 PM
#37
ANIk_003 said: DarkLight9616 said: Akshat_2007 said: BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? One Piece is not broken into an individual's season, but instead, it is one long-running simulcast season. Which makes a difference when comparing the two series. Don't compare One Piece to an Isseki which should have ended after season 1. The plot, Story, Characters, Foreshadowing, Adventure, World Building what ever you name One Piece does it better. Only Big names like AOT, Naruto or Hunter x Hunter can be considered to be compared with OP. It seems that your lack of understanding of Sword Art Online has clouded your Judgment of understanding what each story is trying to teach. Even if in the grand scheme both display the concept of human will and oppression. in advance, you are also incapable of differentiating Isekai from Sci-fi, because it is very clear that Sword Art Online is a Science fiction and Adventure besides other themes, but isekai is not one of them. Even though you have programmed it to be in your very thick head. However, I do know that it would be very stupid of me and a waste of time to try and explain to you simple things that you should have already known from our last conversation in a different post. But, as it is obvious, you are still incapable and unwilling to understand it. Therefore, I will gladly walk away and refrain from engaging with you in any future discussions, because it would be uncharacteristic and stupid of me to speak with a brick wall. |
Jul 9, 2023 12:44 PM
#38
Others have answered but I will summarize: 1. Obviously the number is going to decrease with each season. No one is going to watch season 2 without watching season 1 first, etc. But the opposite is likely to happen, because some people will realise while watching season 1 that it's not to their liking. 2. SAO had a good first season (well, a good first half of the first season), and then it quickly went downhill, with a few highlights here and there. The premise was great but once that arc was over with, the show just lost its direction and niche. 3. The reason the numbers went up from Ordinal Scale to Alicization is that 1: a lot of people don't care for anime movies, and 2: Alicization was so much more hyped than Ordinal Scale. Personal opinion: the world building and characters is what made the first season good. The further the show progresses the more the world building and characters goes to shit. Nothing feels "real" in the way the first season did. |
Jul 9, 2023 1:13 PM
#39
The company that produces SAO is copying RWBY and RvB. With each consecutive season their good ideas are decreasing. |
Jul 9, 2023 3:53 PM
#40
Maybe its ppl who decided to stop using MAL but still watched it? (The series was fire tho) |
Jul 9, 2023 7:22 PM
#42
Birb_addict said: first season of SAO was the best, it just got worse and they kept milking it. also this happens with most anime series, first season is the highest, as viewers keep watching, theyll either get bored or just not like the series afterwards. I agree, but the aliceization (probably spelt wrong) was definitely better than the middle seasons. the middle was hard to watch |
Jul 9, 2023 7:22 PM
#43
Birb_addict said: first season of SAO was the best, it just got worse and they kept milking it. also this happens with most anime series, first season is the highest, as viewers keep watching, theyll either get bored or just not like the series afterwards. I agree, but the aliceization (probably spelt wrong) was definitely better than the middle seasons. the middle was hard to watch |
Jul 9, 2023 7:29 PM
#44
I think alot has to do with streaming platforms as well. put everything on crunchy and watch those numbers rise. |
Jul 9, 2023 11:39 PM
#45
DarkLight9616 said: ANIk_003 said: DarkLight9616 said: Akshat_2007 said: BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? One Piece is not broken into an individual's season, but instead, it is one long-running simulcast season. Which makes a difference when comparing the two series. Don't compare One Piece to an Isseki which should have ended after season 1. The plot, Story, Characters, Foreshadowing, Adventure, World Building what ever you name One Piece does it better. Only Big names like AOT, Naruto or Hunter x Hunter can be considered to be compared with OP. It seems that your lack of understanding of Sword Art Online has clouded your Judgment of understanding what each story is trying to teach. Even if in the grand scheme both display the concept of human will and oppression. in advance, you are also incapable of differentiating Isekai from Sci-fi, because it is very clear that Sword Art Online is a Science fiction and Adventure besides other themes, but isekai is not one of them. Even though you have programmed it to be in your very thick head. However, I do know that it would be very stupid of me and a waste of time to try and explain to you simple things that you should have already known from our last conversation in a different post. But, as it is obvious, you are still incapable and unwilling to understand it. Therefore, I will gladly walk away and refrain from engaging with you in any future discussions, because it would be uncharacteristic and stupid of me to speak with a brick wall. This is the most condescending reply I’ve ever seen defending the most garbage show of all time. Sci-fi, isekai, either way it fucking sucks. |
Jul 10, 2023 12:13 AM
#46
DarkLight9616 said: ANIk_003 said: DarkLight9616 said: Akshat_2007 said: BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? One Piece is not broken into an individual's season, but instead, it is one long-running simulcast season. Which makes a difference when comparing the two series. Don't compare One Piece to an Isseki which should have ended after season 1. The plot, Story, Characters, Foreshadowing, Adventure, World Building what ever you name One Piece does it better. Only Big names like AOT, Naruto or Hunter x Hunter can be considered to be compared with OP. It seems that your lack of understanding of Sword Art Online has clouded your Judgment of understanding what each story is trying to teach. Even if in the grand scheme both display the concept of human will and oppression. in advance, you are also incapable of differentiating Isekai from Sci-fi, because it is very clear that Sword Art Online is a Science fiction and Adventure besides other themes, but isekai is not one of them. Even though you have programmed it to be in your very thick head. However, I do know that it would be very stupid of me and a waste of time to try and explain to you simple things that you should have already known from our last conversation in a different post. But, as it is obvious, you are still incapable and unwilling to understand it. Therefore, I will gladly walk away and refrain from engaging with you in any future discussions, because it would be uncharacteristic and stupid of me to speak with a brick wall. I’d argue that at the very least Season 1 and Alicization are isekais. Isekai just means “another world”. It being a game world and not another universe or them being able to eventually return to their world doesn’t mean it’s not an isekai, but I guess it’s debatable. My point is that it’s not fair to be harsh on someone for calling SAO an isekai. Could you elaborate on how Season 1 displays the concept of human will? Genuinely curious |
DeaneJul 10, 2023 12:19 AM
Jul 10, 2023 12:22 AM
#47
inflation said: DarkLight9616 said: ANIk_003 said: DarkLight9616 said: Akshat_2007 said: BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? One Piece is not broken into an individual's season, but instead, it is one long-running simulcast season. Which makes a difference when comparing the two series. Don't compare One Piece to an Isseki which should have ended after season 1. The plot, Story, Characters, Foreshadowing, Adventure, World Building what ever you name One Piece does it better. Only Big names like AOT, Naruto or Hunter x Hunter can be considered to be compared with OP. It seems that your lack of understanding of Sword Art Online has clouded your Judgment of understanding what each story is trying to teach. Even if in the grand scheme both display the concept of human will and oppression. in advance, you are also incapable of differentiating Isekai from Sci-fi, because it is very clear that Sword Art Online is a Science fiction and Adventure besides other themes, but isekai is not one of them. Even though you have programmed it to be in your very thick head. However, I do know that it would be very stupid of me and a waste of time to try and explain to you simple things that you should have already known from our last conversation in a different post. But, as it is obvious, you are still incapable and unwilling to understand it. Therefore, I will gladly walk away and refrain from engaging with you in any future discussions, because it would be uncharacteristic and stupid of me to speak with a brick wall. This is the most condescending reply I’ve ever seen defending the most garbage show of all time. Sci-fi, isekai, either way it fucking sucks. Oh, another one that is incapable of understanding simple things. Do not worry, because I am not here to teach you. Meaning, you can relax, because I could not stomach any further discussion with you. |
Jul 10, 2023 1:31 AM
#48
Deane said: DarkLight9616 said: ANIk_003 said: DarkLight9616 said: Akshat_2007 said: BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? One Piece is not broken into an individual's season, but instead, it is one long-running simulcast season. Which makes a difference when comparing the two series. Don't compare One Piece to an Isseki which should have ended after season 1. The plot, Story, Characters, Foreshadowing, Adventure, World Building what ever you name One Piece does it better. Only Big names like AOT, Naruto or Hunter x Hunter can be considered to be compared with OP. It seems that your lack of understanding of Sword Art Online has clouded your Judgment of understanding what each story is trying to teach. Even if in the grand scheme both display the concept of human will and oppression. in advance, you are also incapable of differentiating Isekai from Sci-fi, because it is very clear that Sword Art Online is a Science fiction and Adventure besides other themes, but isekai is not one of them. Even though you have programmed it to be in your very thick head. However, I do know that it would be very stupid of me and a waste of time to try and explain to you simple things that you should have already known from our last conversation in a different post. But, as it is obvious, you are still incapable and unwilling to understand it. Therefore, I will gladly walk away and refrain from engaging with you in any future discussions, because it would be uncharacteristic and stupid of me to speak with a brick wall. I’d argue that at the very least Season 1 and Alicization are isekais. Isekai just means “another world”. It being a game world and not another universe or them being able to eventually return to their world doesn’t mean it’s not an isekai, but I guess it’s debatable. My point is that it’s not fair to be harsh on someone for calling SAO an isekai. Could you elaborate on how Season 1 displays the concept of human will? Genuinely curious Being in a game world does not change the fact that it is Science fiction storytelling first and foremost. Further, isekai is mostly associated with, reincarnation, summoning, portal and or transferred. Even though there is some trapped work, such as Overlord, that can be used as a comparison to Sword Art Online season one. I believe that they are very distinctive because in Overlord they do not know if they are trapped or transferred into the gaming world or a different world with a similar concept to the game. Whereas, in Sword Art Online from day one they're aware of where they are, because they went there, of their own accord. Plus, they are specifically told the reason why they are trapped, and what they should do to be free. Which is very much uncommon in isekai works. But, I do understand why season one would debatable. Disclaimer: I have not read the Overlord light novels, all my knowledge of it comes from the anime adaptation. Therefore, I do not if they have revealed further information about, why they are there, or where they are. In advance, I fail to see where in any of my paragraphs, I have stated that season one incorporates the concept of human will. However, if you wish for an example of a broader view of the human will, that can be seen in season one. I would give you the players' determination and willingness to complete the game to return to the real world. Despite, knowing the fact that they could die by trying to complete it. |
Jul 10, 2023 3:40 AM
#49
DarkLight9616 said: Deane said: DarkLight9616 said: ANIk_003 said: DarkLight9616 said: Akshat_2007 said: BlazerionX said: The longer the series is the more people lose interest. It is the same with any series. Why Alicization is higher than Ordinal Scale because some people never watch anime movie. then according to this logic one piece should be dead !!? One Piece is not broken into an individual's season, but instead, it is one long-running simulcast season. Which makes a difference when comparing the two series. Don't compare One Piece to an Isseki which should have ended after season 1. The plot, Story, Characters, Foreshadowing, Adventure, World Building what ever you name One Piece does it better. Only Big names like AOT, Naruto or Hunter x Hunter can be considered to be compared with OP. It seems that your lack of understanding of Sword Art Online has clouded your Judgment of understanding what each story is trying to teach. Even if in the grand scheme both display the concept of human will and oppression. in advance, you are also incapable of differentiating Isekai from Sci-fi, because it is very clear that Sword Art Online is a Science fiction and Adventure besides other themes, but isekai is not one of them. Even though you have programmed it to be in your very thick head. However, I do know that it would be very stupid of me and a waste of time to try and explain to you simple things that you should have already known from our last conversation in a different post. But, as it is obvious, you are still incapable and unwilling to understand it. Therefore, I will gladly walk away and refrain from engaging with you in any future discussions, because it would be uncharacteristic and stupid of me to speak with a brick wall. I’d argue that at the very least Season 1 and Alicization are isekais. Isekai just means “another world”. It being a game world and not another universe or them being able to eventually return to their world doesn’t mean it’s not an isekai, but I guess it’s debatable. My point is that it’s not fair to be harsh on someone for calling SAO an isekai. Could you elaborate on how Season 1 displays the concept of human will? Genuinely curious Being in a game world does not change the fact that it is Science fiction storytelling first and foremost. Further, isekai is mostly associated with, reincarnation, summoning, portal and or transferred. Even though there is some trapped work, such as Overlord, that can be used as a comparison to Sword Art Online season one. I believe that they are very distinctive because in Overlord they do not know if they are trapped or transferred into the gaming world or a different world with a similar concept to the game. Whereas, in Sword Art Online from day one they're aware of where they are, because they went there, of their own accord. Plus, they are specifically told the reason why they are trapped, and what they should do to be free. Which is very much uncommon in isekai works. But, I do understand why season one would debatable. Disclaimer: I have not read the Overlord light novels, all my knowledge of it comes from the anime adaptation. Therefore, I do not if they have revealed further information about, why they are there, or where they are. In advance, I fail to see where in any of my paragraphs, I have stated that season one incorporates the concept of human will. However, if you wish for an example of a broader view of the human will, that can be seen in season one. I would give you the players' determination and willingness to complete the game to return to the real world. Despite, knowing the fact that they could die by trying to complete it. To better illustrate my point while also using Overlord as an example - what if at the end of Overlord Ainz was able to leave the game somehow? Even if they learned "why they are trapped" and "what they should do to be free", I'd argue that it would still be an isekai regardless. At this point it's just a matter of definitions, and whether you consider "trapped in a game world" stories to be isekai. Here's what you said in your previous reply to another user regarding the concept of human will in SAO: It seems that your lack of understanding of Sword Art Online has clouded your Judgment of understanding what each story is trying to teach. Even if in the grand scheme both display the concept of human will and oppression. ("both" in this case refers to One Piece and SAO)This comment is what made me ask that question; I've watched the first two seasons of SAO, but I failed to see any meaningful exploration of the concept of human will. I suppose the players' determination to complete the game despite the risk of death (as you mentioned) could be an example, but I wouldn't say it's meaningful enough to mention it as something the "story is trying to teach". I'd argue the story isn't really trying to teach much at all, and it's rather just an entertaining story. |
Jul 10, 2023 7:19 AM
#50
Ordinal scale is a weird one because its genuinely great compared to season 2 |
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