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mkzxwing said: "I thought the worst thing that could happen (is not rape)" but episode 9 had a GROUP of men enslaved and raped. Kiruko is more close to the viewers since she has more exposure on screen, it will be different if those group of men have more exposure on the story too |
| Literally my thoughts in the last 3-4 mins of the episode: HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK. Finally they adapted the disturbing part, I find myself overreacting to it while I was watching it, not in a bad way. Overall though, the mystery thickens yet again. And lastly, Fuck you Robin. |
"......If I told you that I was a real witch, would you believe it?"  |
mkzxwing said: ?? I said the worst thing that could happen "in this ep" tho"I thought the worst thing that could happen (is not rape)" but episode 9 had a GROUP of men enslaved and raped. |
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| i really want to see which test that is and also the old lady in the wheelchair can runn that was random. So robin is not the same person as he was before to see kiruko and hiraku in the same body what a disturbing episode. |
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Ishitateso said: mkzxwing said: "I thought the worst thing that could happen (is not rape)" but episode 9 had a GROUP of men enslaved and raped. I think Shino shooting himself in the head after Mimihime (or I would say what had been left or her) was finaly killed by Maru was way more brutal in episode 8. The previous episode made it clear that they were whom we saw then. You're comparing apples to oranges here though. I'm comparing the same act and its scale, and its pretty much episode 9 showed more in detail but still way less bad. |
Tsubasavo said: mkzxwing said: ?? I said the worst thing that could happen "in this ep" tho"I thought the worst thing that could happen (is not rape)" but episode 9 had a GROUP of men enslaved and raped. ah, i see, guess i missed that |
Mengning said: Why thou. The story was fine without that shit. MarcosVTF said: OK guys, try to think about it for a moment at a different angle: You think watching fictional monsters killing or torturing humans is perfectly "normal" and "fun" entertainment, but if something happens that is "too real" in the sense that it actually could happen in the real world, and even the main character is not immune against it because we don't have any plot armor here, that is at once disgusting, unnecessary, offensive or I don't know what other shit you would call it.Seriously, who called for this? disgusting and unnecessary, what a disturbed author I would say it was hard to watch, but its contrasting with the beauty the kids found outside said a lot about the world they are or we are living in. |
IshitatesoJun 17, 2023 9:03 AM
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milowatch said: mkzxwing said: What... WHAT?? No, it absolutely doesn't happen out of nowhere (outside of it being done by strangers grabbing someone off the street, but these are much more rare cases). As you said 'people you know turn out to be monsters', but there's ALWAYS warning signs to that, its that most don't know where to look, as they weren't taught to understand and judge dysfunctional behavior, usually raised in dysfunctional and/or lacking homes themselves. Also why do you talk as if its something new in the series, did you miss episode 9..? Guess mass rape with slavery doesn't count cuz they're men or something eh... And that's my point. No I don't find this episode controversial and its probably is more disturbing cause it visually shows the act especially towards a main character we've followed closely instead of just describing it. Yes r*p* was also described in episode 9 but then it was still an "is it true or not" scenario and before it was actually confirmed to be true we were unfortunately bombarded with other information so I do realise the gravity of the situation wasn't fully registered. Also visuals tend to affect people more than words so this episode might have been more impactful. Coming to my point about Robin and the r*pe out of nowhere, while there are signs you could register most often than not the victims are blindsided due to their age or their trust in the perpetrator and I'm talking from first hand experience. It's always hindsight 20/20 and what you're saying sounds very victim blamey. Outside looking in maybe you could see the red flags but Haruki who's known him seemingly sparingly, looked up to him and then met him after years, yes it's out of nowhere since we've always followed his perspective and that's unfortunately a normal occurrence for many. It wasn't a 'true or not' scenario, because it was later shown as true, and even showed some more memories and the group of escaped victims. I mean yes, its a main character here, and yes, the other episode didn't actually showed it much or let the viewer think about it a lot, but still, people reacting so much more strongly to this than the other case is just plain hypocritical. Also that's the anime, the manga was even more graphic and the response was far stronger there too as i heard, but in the manga the episode 9 scenario was far more detailed too, but still didn't really cause any response. As per the rape question, no, its not the age, nor trust that play the main factor, but as i said, the inability to recognize the threat, flags, and also a bad connection with their parents, which just comes by default for people who get victimized as their parents either didn't prepare them for this and life due to neglect, or their own inability and lack of knowledge of these things which still makes them horrible parents that a child will not rely on. Often there's also a lack of self importance and/or needing to keep visuals at play, which again, comes to the parent inability to instill a lack of self importance in the child and putting visuals of various things over their interests. That's all as far as kids go, but for adults its the same, except they rely on their parents even more due to the inability to do so as kids, and being grown up and the stigma that makes going to the parents even less acceptable, but nowhere else to turn and not knowing what else to do. Its not at all 20/20 hindsight either, i can literally talk to a person for a couple days and tell you what they're capable of, what their problems are, what their relationship with their parents is like, if said parents where okay, good or bad, and if said person is safe to be around, and worth being around. Of course, i did study it for a couple years now independently to fill one of the many gaps left by my own shitty raising, to be safer, and to keep those dear to me now and in the future safe, but its no special magic or specialized, hard to obtain forbidden or inaccessible knowledge you need a professor degree in psychology for. Also how is it victim blaming at all? All the fault of that with kids is on the parents for failing them, and obviously the rapist in no lessened degree than it was before. With adults its pretty much the same, though they have a slight growing responsibility to know better... Its still miniscule compared to the rapeist and parent blame though. As per this exact scenario... Its just fiction. Of course there's not gonna be any flags unless the artist is at all aware of the context of these things and works them in, which is why i hate rape in media, it indeed often makes it seem like it came out of nowhere. |
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| Everything that exists and happens in Heavenly Delusion has a reason to be, I hope what happened in the last 2 minutes is no exception to that and does have a purpose. |
| No tomo malas decisiones, solo me gusta apoyar causas perdidas. Disfruté Mayoiga, Ou-sama Game, Evil or Live, Mirai Nikki, Big Order, Arifureta, Ex-Arm, Tesla Note, Shuumatsu no Harem y Platinum End nope les falle con esa, lo siento pero todos tenemos nuestros límites. Así de jodido es mi gusto en anime, ¡Y estoy pinche orgulloso de ello!  |
| I had a bad feeling about everything as soon as I saw the camera pan out to Maru talking about how Kiruko left her gun. I know manga readers said the rape scene was way more graphic in the manga but that scene was already disgusting enough. The cinematography in Heavenly Delusion is always worth mentioning but this week's episode was a great example of it. The characters in the facility go outside of "the outside" and what they see is something that floors them, literally. Also, fuck that old bitch that was faking a disability. |
  Arteta's Tricky Reds!   |
| I'd loved to have had one episode that catches us by surprise through nothing nasty happening. It's not to be I guess. Has this series been popular enough in Japan that we have some kind of chance for a second season? |
| I felt how uncomfortable Zoro's VA was when he did that scene |
AnOnYmOuS__101 said: el_morris said: sorry to say it but it serves no purpose author wanted to make FMC accept her gender so what’s the best way to prove your a girl? Fuck her in the pussy hence rape that’s it FMC don’t show up till chp38 and this is the end of chp32Everything that exists and happens in Heavenly Delusion has a reason to be, I hope what happened in the last 2 minutes is no exception to that and does have a purpose. I mean if that is the reason for that scene I do not know what to say like really? |
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Mengning said: I guess you haven't watched or read anything that deals with things more distrubing and sensitive than you find in an average kids show. You should start with the movie Han Gong-Ju from 2013. That is a good first step to put things in perspective.Ishitateso said: Bro trying to justify rape. Deam, I love this community.OK guys, try to think about it for a moment at a different angle: You think watching fictional monsters killing or torturing humans is perfectly "normal" and "fun" entertainment, but if something happens that is "too real" in the sense that it actually could happen in the real world, and even the main character is not immune against it because we don't have any plot armor here, that is at once disgusting, unnecessary, offensive or I don't know what other shit you would call it. And that impact on the victim what in that movie was shown is exactly what I am waiting from this anime now after this episode. I hope this story takes rape seriously enough that it will able to show us the long term damage this could cause to a girl. And not just sidesteps it. |
IshitatesoJun 17, 2023 9:37 AM
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| Tokio having weird dreams. The academy is being attacked by something. Kiruko & Maru discover a new town where there is actually people. Kiruko finally gets answers where Robin is. Kiruko basically ditches Maru to see Robin (I think). Kiruko & Robin reunite after so many years. People die at the academy. Kiruko & Robin have much to talk about. The kids finally discover the outside. Maru saying if Kiruko is gonna be okay without her weapon (meaning he thinks something might happen). Kiruko is happy to be with Robin but Robin has other motives and turns into an scumbag, how disgusting. The question now is, will Kiruko be saved by Maru and what will the kids do since they discovered the outside of the outside. |
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| Vish... the episode was screening that something bad would happen (again, without needed to resort to different animation styles and art to perfectly convey emotions and ideas), and most interestingly, despite the fall of the facility the dread was all on the current timely with Kiruko and Maru apparently just strolling through a safe place. Nothing was said, but by the way some scenes where framed it was "confirmed" that the gunshot was real and Robin was the one who shoot Kiriko, right?  It's been weeks that I see comments here alluding to a certain "chapter 32", that was it? Common people, isn't like this was any news in anime and manga. I don't know if I could call it here "exploitative" or not, because the way in which "happened". The psychological parte was "worse" than the physical. 🤢 Remembering back episode 3, it was a bit evident that Robin was dangerous. |
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| Bro feeling pleasure from getting ntr'd 💀 |
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| Seeing that this episode attracted the worse people with the worst opinions to comment. Until next week. |
PaninaManinaJun 17, 2023 10:06 AM
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| This episode is... pretty. The symbolism are more explicit than other episode. The sequence changing between each character and their framing on the screen is on point. The BGM feels so melancholy. The subtle animation on character action and expression, clear enough to know the intention. I am totally amazed. |
milowatch said: mkzxwing said: It wasn't a 'true or not' scenario, because it was later shown as true, and even showed some more memories and the group of escaped victims. I mean yes, its a main character here, and yes, the other episode didn't actually showed it much or let the viewer think about it a lot, but still, people reacting so much more strongly to this than the other case is just plain hypocritical. Also that's the anime, the manga was even more graphic and the response was far stronger there too as i heard, but in the manga the episode 9 scenario was far more detailed too, but still didn't really cause any response. As per the rape question, no, its not the age, nor trust that play the main factor, but as i said, the inability to recognize the threat, flags, and also a bad connection with their parents, which just comes by default for people who get victimized as their parents either didn't prepare them for this and life due to neglect, or their own inability and lack of knowledge of these things which still makes them horrible parents that a child will not rely on. Often there's also a lack of self importance and/or needing to keep visuals at play, which again, comes to the parent inability to instill a lack of self importance in the child and putting visuals of various things over their interests. That's all as far as kids go, but for adults its the same, except they rely on their parents even more due to the inability to do so as kids, and being grown up and the stigma that makes going to the parents even less acceptable, but nowhere else to turn and not knowing what else to do. Its not at all 20/20 hindsight either, i can literally talk to a person for a couple days and tell you what they're capable of, what their problems are, what their relationship with their parents is like, if said parents where okay, good or bad, and if said person is safe to be around, and worth being around. Of course, i did study it for a couple years now independently to fill one of the many gaps left by my own shitty raising, to be safer, and to keep those dear to me now and in the future safe, but its no special magic or specialized, hard to obtain forbidden or inaccessible knowledge you need a professor degree in psychology for. Also how is it victim blaming at all? All the fault of that with kids is on the parents for failing them, and obviously the rapist in no lessened degree than it was before. With adults its pretty much the same, though they have a slight growing responsibility to know better... Its still miniscule compared to the rapeist and parent blame though. As per this exact scenario... Its just fiction. Of course there's not gonna be any flags unless the artist is at all aware of the context of these things and works them in, which is why i hate rape in media, it indeed often makes it seem like it came out of nowhere. This is my last reply as I'm tired of your one dimensional interpretation of what I wrote. Everything you said about the psychology and red flags and family relations and personal dynamics may in fact be true but the average person doesn't have the time, energy or the fortune to process all of this. So you throwing around your "detailed technical and impersonal" knowledge of this does sound victim blamey to people like me who have experienced it in real life. Cause for me, it felt like it was out of nowhere. it's my damn real life experience. I unfortunately wasn't as knowledgeable as you on your high and mighty pedestal to decipher the red flags and I was attacked out of nowhere because in your words 'I had a bad life or family or was immature and ignorant or just not self assured". While you can throw around your naunced psychological jargon to explain r*pe and how there are warning signs to it, there are so many people like me who aren't well versed(say as you may because of our parents and society) about it and feel attacked out of nowhere. So you repeatedly trying to explain how "it isn't out of nowhere because there are always warning signs" is in fact victim blaming. I'm not saying what you're saying is wrong, I'm just asking that you don't diminish a victim's experience and over explain. Also yes, it's unfortunate and hypocritical how the r*pe was not as profoundly discussed in episode 9 and I'm not even defending it. So why are you twisting my words? I just said it's maybe because of actually seeing vs hearing. Which is still no reason to diminish that. I agree. I never disagreed so why are you making it seem like that. Actually they do have the time, we both have more free time than every now, and many of these things where casually taught as a fact of life a mere century ago as part of what you pass from parent to child, at least in its most simplistic and easy to grasp form. I'm sorry for what you've been though, and that its a triggering topic, but none of this is victim blaming, and in fact saying these things don't exist and getting so hostile when someone says they do, shifting to victim blaming just results in less such discussions happening, less people seeing them, and more chance for the world to keep going as is which will ensure its gonna keep happening. Yes, when you're uninformed it does seem like it came out of nowhere most times. Not just with rape, but most other abuse too, which i can also talk about from personal experience. But once you do get it, its quite obvious still. Idk what about what you said 'i twisted', was just replying to things i disagreed with while also presenting some information for others. Either way, have a good one |
| The heck, didn't expect Robin to be a total freak but oh well he is. Was curious about the 'test' performed on those children. Now that those children have found their way to the outside of outside maybe they will wander and rendezvous with Maru and Kiruko. With only one episode left and so many questions, I am eager to see the finale episode of the first season. Also what could be the reason for Robin to turn out as a freak ? |
CQLLIST said: Last episode where a group of men were raped and held as semen slaves was not "the disturbing part" for you? Fuck you, Twitter-SJW.Literally my thoughts in the last 3-4 mins of the episode: HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK. Finally they adapted the disturbing part, I find myself overreacting to it while I was watching it, not in a bad way. Overall though, the mystery thickens yet again. And lastly, Fuck you Robin. |
| If you haven't watched "Fantastic Children", don't talk about "best anime". Thank you. |
| There's the infamous chapter 32 scene that manga readers have been mentioning, I hope it lived up (or down) to your expectations. In any case, it was heavily censored and juxtaposed with Maru and Heaven to tone it down. |
| The episode finally came. I loved the direction of this episode. Also, why is nobody talking about the old lady standing up and running |
MyllerPhiem said: it's only disturbing when it's about someone you care aboutCQLLIST said: Last episode where a group of men were raped and held as semen slaves was not "the disturbing part" for you? Fuck you, Twitter-SJW.Literally my thoughts in the last 3-4 mins of the episode: HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK HOLY FUCK. Finally they adapted the disturbing part, I find myself overreacting to it while I was watching it, not in a bad way. Overall though, the mystery thickens yet again. And lastly, Fuck you Robin. |
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